New optic. Heard from my LBS that it and the incoming sight are HP.
New optic. Heard from my LBS that it and the incoming sight are HP.
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight, w/ different shock mount and longer stroke shock? If combined with head angle adjustability the drawbacks for doing it this way lessened, but still not ideal. Seems big and clunky for just a kinematics adjuster. Or maybe it's for converting between mullet and 29?
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight...
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight, w/ different shock mount and longer stroke shock? If combined with head angle adjustability the drawbacks for doing it this way lessened, but still not ideal. Seems big and clunky for just a kinematics adjuster. Or maybe it's for converting between mullet and 29?
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight...
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight, w/ different shock mount and longer stroke shock? If combined with head angle adjustability the drawbacks for doing it this way lessened, but still not ideal. Seems big and clunky for just a kinematics adjuster. Or maybe it's for converting between mullet and 29?
A little birdie told me the new Optic will be offered in full 29" or mixed wheel. After seeing Trek's design for switching between mixed wheel and 29" I could see Norco going in the same direction, although I can't confirm this.
I'd like to see a slacker head angle. I have '21 Altitude and a '22 Instinct/Altitude Powerplay and prefer the slacker head angle of the Powerplay...
I'd like to see a slacker head angle. I have '21 Altitude and a '22 Instinct/Altitude Powerplay and prefer the slacker head angle of the Powerplay with the same reach. I wouldn't complain if they brought over the mid-high pivot design of the Powerplay bikes either.
I have not ridden a high pivot bike personally but several of my buddies who spent a few seasons on them have switched back to a...
I have not ridden a high pivot bike personally but several of my buddies who spent a few seasons on them have switched back to a more “conventional” suspension layout. The bit of extra maintenance with the idler and the less efficient climbing were the main factors.
Also jumping up in travel with little downsides on current gen bikes didn’t hurt either.
Im not entirely sure what is meant by "traditional" design. Are you trying they have moved away from a HP/idler bike to a different suspension platform...
Im not entirely sure what is meant by "traditional" design. Are you trying they have moved away from a HP/idler bike to a different suspension platform?
The HP/idler comes in different flavours
A typical Horst link 4 bar bike with a pivot closer to the bb without an idler would fairly traditional mainstream package for many years.
The high pivot idler bikes are not new tech but until recently saw very limited acceptance.
Makes me wonder how Marin manages to keep their bikes in shops considering their bikes tend to compete with DTC brand pricing. I loved my 27.5 SQ, this looks very nice.
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight...
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight, w/ different shock mount and longer stroke shock? If combined with head angle adjustability the drawbacks for doing it this way lessened, but still not ideal. Seems big and clunky for just a kinematics adjuster. Or maybe it's for converting between mullet and 29?
A little birdie told me the new Optic will be offered in full 29" or mixed wheel. After seeing Trek's design for switching between mixed wheel...
A little birdie told me the new Optic will be offered in full 29" or mixed wheel. After seeing Trek's design for switching between mixed wheel and 29" I could see Norco going in the same direction, although I can't confirm this.
I heard the same bird as it flew over my place here in the PNW
Makes me wonder how Marin manages to keep their bikes in shops considering their bikes tend to compete with DTC brand pricing. I loved my 27.5...
Makes me wonder how Marin manages to keep their bikes in shops considering their bikes tend to compete with DTC brand pricing. I loved my 27.5 SQ, this looks very nice.
They don't have really high end builds with really high end parts, and use a lot of house-brand components, like cockpit stuff and even wheels. I think it's partially because of that.
why are people, in general, afraid of high-pivots? don't like it, don't buy a norco? there's literally hundreds of options nowadays with pretty much the same...
why are people, in general, afraid of high-pivots? don't like it, don't buy a norco? there's literally hundreds of options nowadays with pretty much the same geometry
I have a current range and I love it. But it has its drawbacks; generally characteristics that I’d purchase a short travel to avoid.
Theres more to it than simply pivot location in terms of the bike pedalling well, thats a generalization that doesnt really hold up. You can make...
Theres more to it than simply pivot location in terms of the bike pedalling well, thats a generalization that doesnt really hold up. You can make a HP bike pedal as well or better than a non-HP bike (lets be honest, theres no "traditional" bike here for arguments sake) and when we are talking about HP bikes, we are talking about the seemingly more prevelant HP idler equipped bikes. A horst link, or VPP bike can be built to have a high virtual pivot, and not rely on an idler, but theres a whole other differnet set of challenges
The HP and idler allow the designer to separate the different forces more easily, to isolate different aspects of the suspension design (like a 6 bar, with less complexity, or maybe just different).
The Druid climbs well, loads of traction, and is very predictable, eats rough stuff like no other short travel bike I've ridden (cause if you took the rearward growth, of about 18mm, it might actually be closer to a 150mm bike) in doing so, the pedalling "platform" arrives quicker than if it was a Sight with 150mm travel lets say. So theres a sense of spritelyness, or urgency to it when you do pedal it around. Think of it like a bike that "feels" fast (short travel, maybe tighter geo) but when it gets hairy feels like a 150ish bike (longer WB, eats chunder)
I also think that the short travel versions of these bikes help to alleviate the drawbacks on the longer travel versions (excessive chain growth, excessive chainstay length, that sensation of growth when jumping or cornering)
Im hoping Norco has found a way to drop 4lbs compared to the Druid, and make it a bit more cost effective, but knowing Norco, itll prolly be 3lbs heavier...
It’s interesting what you’re saying here concerning the Optic and Sight redesign. Technically, the redesign won’t be much different than they are now. Definitely not like...
It’s interesting what you’re saying here concerning the Optic and Sight redesign. Technically, the redesign won’t be much different than they are now. Definitely not like a Forbidden… And yes, with the idler they will definitely be a little heavier than they were.
That was from my lbs mechanic who said the guys from the Aus distributor (who’s integrated into the bike shop chain he works at, and are...
That was from my lbs mechanic who said the guys from the Aus distributor (who’s integrated into the bike shop chain he works at, and are based 2 suburbs away) had seen in them in the flesh.
But yeah I feel the same way. I still want a current optic to complement my range precisely because it isn’t HP. Not that my opinion matters though.
I think the sight HP is an interesting but unnecessary change, first they need to fix that stack and give it a little more anti rise. Mine felt like an otb pogo machine compared to the range.
Whats the issue with the Stack on the Sight, A medium is around 612mm, which is leaves room to go up if you want, but puts...
Whats the issue with the Stack on the Sight, A medium is around 612mm, which is leaves room to go up if you want, but puts it in a racy spot for those that want a slightly lower front end. otherwise, 5mm stem spacer, and 38mm bar, and youre right there
At the risk of angering the OT police, I had a large and ran 40mm of spacers, a 35 rise bar and a 170 fork . Moved onto a range and still running the same spacers and the same bar. But with another 20mm stack out of the box. Now I actually have confidence on steep trails. Helps that the rear doesn’t pitch you forward the way the sight did also.
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go back in october when they'll have 2024 catalogue but for now, they don't even have an embargo for it, just nothing..!?
I am not sure about the Slash anymore so I'll wait to see if there is something special about that new Altitude, maybe the Sight too but I think I'm gonna try to find something more like a 6bar than HP with idler.
Atherton are not talking a lot about that new 170mm enduro, only about the smaller and DH ones.... probably be a lonnggg time before we can buy the ''cheaper'' option we saw, that seems to be alloy.
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go...
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go back in october when they'll have 2024 catalogue but for now, they don't even have an embargo for it, just nothing..!?
I am not sure about the Slash anymore so I'll wait to see if there is something special about that new Altitude, maybe the Sight too but I think I'm gonna try to find something more like a 6bar than HP with idler.
Atherton are not talking a lot about that new 170mm enduro, only about the smaller and DH ones.... probably be a lonnggg time before we can buy the ''cheaper'' option we saw, that seems to be alloy.
Just get an WAO Arrival 170. Best long travel enduro bike I've ridden period.
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go...
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go back in october when they'll have 2024 catalogue but for now, they don't even have an embargo for it, just nothing..!?
I am not sure about the Slash anymore so I'll wait to see if there is something special about that new Altitude, maybe the Sight too but I think I'm gonna try to find something more like a 6bar than HP with idler.
Atherton are not talking a lot about that new 170mm enduro, only about the smaller and DH ones.... probably be a lonnggg time before we can buy the ''cheaper'' option we saw, that seems to be alloy.
Just get an WAO Arrival 170. Best long travel enduro bike I've ridden period.
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at least try one but that's a lot of money to send to them knowing that I'll probably be over that rear wheel, like my first Knolly.
They don't have the frame only option anymore??? Pretty sure they used to have that... now they only have the CAD 11k SP1 bike on their site.
Is that Jack Moir using an OChain? That would be new for him.... have we all agreed yet if they are effective?
I like mine a lot and their abundance on the edr/dh scene makes me feel I’m not alone. Best way to describe the difference is I feel the bike/ground in my feet instead of in the pedals.
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go...
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go back in october when they'll have 2024 catalogue but for now, they don't even have an embargo for it, just nothing..!?
I am not sure about the Slash anymore so I'll wait to see if there is something special about that new Altitude, maybe the Sight too but I think I'm gonna try to find something more like a 6bar than HP with idler.
Atherton are not talking a lot about that new 170mm enduro, only about the smaller and DH ones.... probably be a lonnggg time before we can buy the ''cheaper'' option we saw, that seems to be alloy.
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at...
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at least try one but that's a lot of money to send to them knowing that I'll probably be over that rear wheel, like my first Knolly.
They don't have the frame only option anymore??? Pretty sure they used to have that... now they only have the CAD 11k SP1 bike on their site.
I am on the smaller side, 5'6" maybe 5'7", riding their size 2 or Medium and seat tube is not slack at all, maybe if you are at the very end of their largest size, I wouldn't know tall people problems. At least comparable to all the other bikes I've owned and ridden recently. 2022 Transition Patrol, Sentinel, Spire, 2023 Smuggler, 2023 Intense Tracer 279, 2023 Specialized SJ and SJ EVO, 2023 SCOR 4060, 2023 Trek Fuel. Best pedaling and climbing bike out of the bunch too.
The ProsCloset has new frames for sale, discounted too. Not the new ones with UDH and mullet rear ends but you can always upgrade to that in the future. Pink Bike also has a lot of for sale in Canada too.
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at...
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at least try one but that's a lot of money to send to them knowing that I'll probably be over that rear wheel, like my first Knolly.
They don't have the frame only option anymore??? Pretty sure they used to have that... now they only have the CAD 11k SP1 bike on their site.
I am on the smaller side, 5'6" maybe 5'7", riding their size 2 or Medium and seat tube is not slack at all, maybe if you...
I am on the smaller side, 5'6" maybe 5'7", riding their size 2 or Medium and seat tube is not slack at all, maybe if you are at the very end of their largest size, I wouldn't know tall people problems. At least comparable to all the other bikes I've owned and ridden recently. 2022 Transition Patrol, Sentinel, Spire, 2023 Smuggler, 2023 Intense Tracer 279, 2023 Specialized SJ and SJ EVO, 2023 SCOR 4060, 2023 Trek Fuel. Best pedaling and climbing bike out of the bunch too.
The ProsCloset has new frames for sale, discounted too. Not the new ones with UDH and mullet rear ends but you can always upgrade to that in the future. Pink Bike also has a lot of for sale in Canada too.
Seat height for tall riders often comes quite far above the top of the headset which means the actual seat tube angle affects the effective cockpit length and body position. The advertised seat tube angle used to be 3+ degrees off the effective seat tube angle at seat height.
For medium-large riders the seat height is much closer to the top of the headset and thus the advertised effective and the resulting seat tube angle are very close to each other.
Modular lower shock mount. I wonder if it's only to adjust kinematics or if they're trying to use same front triangle for both optic and sight, w/ different shock mount and longer stroke shock? If combined with head angle adjustability the drawbacks for doing it this way lessened, but still not ideal. Seems big and clunky for just a kinematics adjuster. Or maybe it's for converting between mullet and 29?
The latter sounds the most likely
A little birdie told me the new Optic will be offered in full 29" or mixed wheel. After seeing Trek's design for switching between mixed wheel and 29" I could see Norco going in the same direction, although I can't confirm this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxLDaYWOwDi/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
V2 Privateer 161 drops tomorrow. It will not be high pivot.
I'm running my Altitude in pos 3 with a -1 angleset, which puts the reach at closer to ~473
…And the Sight and Optic will be right side up…
A typical Horst link 4 bar bike with a pivot closer to the bb without an idler would fairly traditional mainstream package for many years.
The high pivot idler bikes are not new tech but until recently saw very limited acceptance.
Seems the new Intense will be released as an M1 if this is true, although I'm not seeing it anywhere else yet.
Makes me wonder how Marin manages to keep their bikes in shops considering their bikes tend to compete with DTC brand pricing. I loved my 27.5 SQ, this looks very nice.
Please be mustard and ketchup (catsup?) please!!! look at how good the giant throw back looked!
I was told around January/February, they'll launch a dirt jump bike (I assume soon) before the downhill bike
Airless tires are getting closer!
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873153/nasa-bike-tire-shape-memory…
Rims seem like a great product for this.
I heard the same bird as it flew over my place here in the PNW
They don't have really high end builds with really high end parts, and use a lot of house-brand components, like cockpit stuff and even wheels. I think it's partially because of that.
I have a current range and I love it. But it has its drawbacks; generally characteristics that I’d purchase a short travel to avoid.
So like a shore then?
At the risk of angering the OT police, I had a large and ran 40mm of spacers, a 35 rise bar and a 170 fork
. Moved onto a range and still running the same spacers and the same bar. But with another 20mm stack out of the box. Now I actually have confidence on steep trails. Helps that the rear doesn’t pitch you forward the way the sight did also.
Does anybody here have a release date for the norco HP's that were mentioned here?
pit bits from chatel EDR (caution, there may be a high-pivot bike or two inside)
https://www.vitalmtb.com/pit-bits-edr-chatel
So I went to the Specialized shop here in Canada and the girl really didn't know about a new Enduro at all... She said to go back in october when they'll have 2024 catalogue but for now, they don't even have an embargo for it, just nothing..!?
I am not sure about the Slash anymore so I'll wait to see if there is something special about that new Altitude, maybe the Sight too but I think I'm gonna try to find something more like a 6bar than HP with idler.
Atherton are not talking a lot about that new 170mm enduro, only about the smaller and DH ones.... probably be a lonnggg time before we can buy the ''cheaper'' option we saw, that seems to be alloy.
Is that Jack Moir using an OChain? That would be new for him.... have we all agreed yet if they are effective?
Just get an WAO Arrival 170. Best long travel enduro bike I've ridden period.
I don't want to go back to a slack seatutube! It seems like a perfect bike otherwise but that really bothers me... if I could at least try one but that's a lot of money to send to them knowing that I'll probably be over that rear wheel, like my first Knolly.
They don't have the frame only option anymore??? Pretty sure they used to have that... now they only have the CAD 11k SP1 bike on their site.
I like mine a lot and their abundance on the edr/dh scene makes me feel I’m not alone. Best way to describe the difference is I feel the bike/ground in my feet instead of in the pedals.
I am on the smaller side, 5'6" maybe 5'7", riding their size 2 or Medium and seat tube is not slack at all, maybe if you are at the very end of their largest size, I wouldn't know tall people problems. At least comparable to all the other bikes I've owned and ridden recently. 2022 Transition Patrol, Sentinel, Spire, 2023 Smuggler, 2023 Intense Tracer 279, 2023 Specialized SJ and SJ EVO, 2023 SCOR 4060, 2023 Trek Fuel. Best pedaling and climbing bike out of the bunch too.
The ProsCloset has new frames for sale, discounted too. Not the new ones with UDH and mullet rear ends but you can always upgrade to that in the future. Pink Bike also has a lot of for sale in Canada too.
Embargoed until spring 2024.
Seat height for tall riders often comes quite far above the top of the headset which means the actual seat tube angle affects the effective cockpit length and body position. The advertised seat tube angle used to be 3+ degrees off the effective seat tube angle at seat height.
For medium-large riders the seat height is much closer to the top of the headset and thus the advertised effective and the resulting seat tube angle are very close to each other.
Bloody hell that's 12 months away
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