"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be...
"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be three letters to indicate rebound shims, compression shims, and no idea what the T is, so "LMT" could mean something like "Low, Medium, Threshold." Although that nomenclature has a very Rockshox sound to it.
could be, but 2 of their technicians called it a "LMT soft damper" specifically, sounds to me their's more to it than just a tune.
but my guess is we will know more soon when they're already spilling the beans.
i'm intrigued, grip2 is awesome, hope it's nothing electronic.
I know this had been mentioned in a bike check article from the Gamux team on the other site a few weeks back. But it looks...
I know this had been mentioned in a bike check article from the Gamux team on the other site a few weeks back. But it looks like manitou might have a production ready version of the 2-bolt Dorado upper crown? Probably too optimistic to assume it’s a drop crown with short offset so it can be used on a wider range of headtubes too?
Hope so, I'll need to look into that. That was the one complaint I had is I can't bring the front end tall enough without a shit ton of spacers for the bar clamp.
"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be...
"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be three letters to indicate rebound shims, compression shims, and no idea what the T is, so "LMT" could mean something like "Low, Medium, Threshold." Although that nomenclature has a very Rockshox sound to it.
I was thinking tune as well. The 2021-2023 Grip2 cartridge is available in 2 tunes.
When discussing the 2024 rear shocks they were mentioning new tunes that don’t match up with 2021-2023.
Fox hasn’t posted 2024 parts lists yet so no way to confirm.
I highly doubt there's a new enduro coming or it would of been raced already at EDR.
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike without camo and we would be none the wiser.
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike...
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike without camo and we would be none the wiser.
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all the time apparently.
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all...
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all the time apparently.
They stopped making the mid link (the vertical link behind the seat tube) in carbon. It's alloy only now. Supposedly that was the one that was breaking.
They stopped making the mid link (the vertical link behind the seat tube) in carbon. It's alloy only now. Supposedly that was the one that was...
They stopped making the mid link (the vertical link behind the seat tube) in carbon. It's alloy only now. Supposedly that was the one that was breaking.
Also the head tubes crack and vancan cracked his downtube twice i think.
Did the X2 ever fix the wall thickness issue that was causing the cracking?
"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be...
"LMT" might be the name of a new damper (like GRIP or GRIP2), but it also could be a tune code for the fork. Could be three letters to indicate rebound shims, compression shims, and no idea what the T is, so "LMT" could mean something like "Low, Medium, Threshold." Although that nomenclature has a very Rockshox sound to it.
I was thinking tune as well. The 2021-2023 Grip2 cartridge is available in 2 tunes.
When discussing the 2024 rear shocks they were mentioning new tunes...
I was thinking tune as well. The 2021-2023 Grip2 cartridge is available in 2 tunes.
When discussing the 2024 rear shocks they were mentioning new tunes that don’t match up with 2021-2023.
Fox hasn’t posted 2024 parts lists yet so no way to confirm.
They briefly listed all the 2024 valving specs a few months ago, and I'm bitterly disappointed I didn't note them all down as soon as I found them because they have since been removed. Not a lot of use if you don't have the new base valve piston but it would still have been a good resource!
Also the head tubes crack and vancan cracked his downtube twice i think.
Did the X2 ever fix the wall thickness issue that was causing the...
Also the head tubes crack and vancan cracked his downtube twice i think.
Did the X2 ever fix the wall thickness issue that was causing the cracking?
Oh yeah, Fox have updated the damper body and eyelet for 2024 and are rolling out updates for older shocks. Anyone who has a <2024 shock that breaks should get it repaired with the new bits when the send it in.
I'm fairly certain it was the top-tube on the S-works models that would consistently crack right where it met the seatstay.
That's where VanCan cracked...
I'm fairly certain it was the top-tube on the S-works models that would consistently crack right where it met the seatstay.
That's where VanCan cracked his, and that's where my riding buddy cracked theirs.
My friend cracked his at the headtube, then another one near the BB. Another friend also broke at the headtube if I remember correctly.
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.
I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag with his coil... he said nobody makes one with a spring rate of about 800 like he would need on that bike! I have 65mm stroke for my 155mm of travel... 60mm stroke for 176mm of travel doesnt work! lol
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.
I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag...
I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag with his coil... he said nobody makes one with a spring rate of about 800 like he would need on that bike! I have 65mm stroke for my 155mm of travel... 60mm stroke for 176mm of travel doesnt work! lol
EXT go all the way to 800lbs and are plenty wide to fit most shock bodies
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike...
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike without camo and we would be none the wiser.
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all...
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all the time apparently.
What the current Enduro needs is a great deal of reinforcement layers, or better yet an entirely new frame... One that is designed to be much stronger than the current one.
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare.
Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful.
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.
I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link...
I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link for a 205x65mm shock. No idea why Spesh made the leverage ratio so high.
It was worse in X wing version, 57 stroke shortened from 63 for 170mm! it rode pretty well though even with my 105kg weight
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike...
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike without camo and we would be none the wiser.
What the current Enduro needs is a great deal of reinforcement layers, or better yet an entirely new frame... One that is designed to be much...
What the current Enduro needs is a great deal of reinforcement layers, or better yet an entirely new frame... One that is designed to be much stronger than the current one.
I love how all the hype around the new Enduro literally turns into a: lets just get one that doesnt crack soundoff.
The bike is actually so good, but man, they break so damn easy.
could be, but 2 of their technicians called it a "LMT soft damper" specifically, sounds to me their's more to it than just a tune.
but my guess is we will know more soon when they're already spilling the beans.
i'm intrigued, grip2 is awesome, hope it's nothing electronic.
Hope so, I'll need to look into that. That was the one complaint I had is I can't bring the front end tall enough without a shit ton of spacers for the bar clamp.
I was thinking tune as well. The 2021-2023 Grip2 cartridge is available in 2 tunes.
When discussing the 2024 rear shocks they were mentioning new tunes that don’t match up with 2021-2023.
Fox hasn’t posted 2024 parts lists yet so no way to confirm.
If we assume Specialized isn't going to change the layout, all that bike needs is subtle updates to be modernized, and they could race that bike without camo and we would be none the wiser.
All it really needs is a new Chainstay with UDH and it's ready to roll. And bin the carbon wishbone keep it alloy they crack all the time apparently.
They stopped making the mid link (the vertical link behind the seat tube) in carbon. It's alloy only now. Supposedly that was the one that was breaking.
New grip2 dampers for 2024 have compression changes and new springs in them.
Also the new X2 compression tunes are a lot simpler. New base valve pistons with more flow and new valving on the base valve as well.
Also the head tubes crack and vancan cracked his downtube twice i think.
Did the X2 ever fix the wall thickness issue that was causing the cracking?
They briefly listed all the 2024 valving specs a few months ago, and I'm bitterly disappointed I didn't note them all down as soon as I found them because they have since been removed. Not a lot of use if you don't have the new base valve piston but it would still have been a good resource!
I'm fairly certain it was the top-tube on the S-works models that would consistently crack right where it met the seatstay.
That's where VanCan cracked his, and that's where my riding buddy cracked theirs.
Oh yeah, Fox have updated the damper body and eyelet for 2024 and are rolling out updates for older shocks. Anyone who has a <2024 shock that breaks should get it repaired with the new bits when the send it in.
My friend cracked his at the headtube, then another one near the BB. Another friend also broke at the headtube if I remember correctly.
I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag with his coil... he said nobody makes one with a spring rate of about 800 like he would need on that bike! I have 65mm stroke for my 155mm of travel... 60mm stroke for 176mm of travel doesnt work! lol
EXT go all the way to 800lbs and are plenty wide to fit most shock bodies
Not necessarily a rumor (or even an innovation for that matter), but Dave Weagle's DW-Link patent is about to expire in the US.
Wonder if we'll start seeing Giants with structurally-appropriate lower links.
To be honest I dont follow. I own a newer Trance X. All seems fine to me? I brutalize the thing too at Downieville. Did great.
If I remember correctly then giants suspension platform is just a knock off DW link.
https://bikerumor.com/dw-link-sues-giant-bicycles-claiming-patent-infri…;
What the current Enduro needs is a great deal of reinforcement layers, or better yet an entirely new frame... One that is designed to be much stronger than the current one.
pit bits video from les gets
Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that.
On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving.
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare.
Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful.
Where did you hear that Evil may be going out of business? This is the first I've heard of such a rumor.
Seems strange since they’ve got a post on their Instagram from a week ago stating they are looking for people to hire…
Woah woah woah what’s this talk about evil going under?
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.
It was worse in X wing version, 57 stroke shortened from 63 for 170mm! it rode pretty well though even with my 105kg weight
I love how all the hype around the new Enduro literally turns into a: lets just get one that doesnt crack soundoff.
The bike is actually so good, but man, they break so damn easy.
Someone confusing Evil with GG?
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