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5/19/2023 10:36pm

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

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5/19/2023 11:37pm
Intense has to thank PulpMX for keeping them afloat I guess. BTW, how can they be so late, like... how long does it take to weld...

Intense has to thank PulpMX for keeping them afloat I guess. BTW, how can they be so late, like... how long does it take to weld a frame together? Unless their engineers are behind with stress testing etc...   

That's the big mystery. Intense touts their ability to build aluminum race bikes in house. But they've failed to deliver on time the past two seasons...

That's the big mystery. Intense touts their ability to build aluminum race bikes in house. But they've failed to deliver on time the past two seasons. It must be that Jeff is the only person able to build the frames and he's half checked out, working on other parts of the business and maybe going to Maui for the winter. No reason for the production of a couple race frames to be that slow considering a full shop on-site. Meanwhile Neko is getting steel front triangles from the UK and carbon rear ends from Asia in a shorter time period lol. 

 

Isn't that the American way?

Talk the talk, get the money, fuck everyone over and laugh all they way to the bank?

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5/20/2023 7:05am
Pretty sure Finn ran 51 and loic 42 according to some article I read at some point.  Perhaps that changed. I know Canfield has speced the...

Pretty sure Finn ran 51 and loic 42 according to some article I read at some point.  Perhaps that changed.

I know Canfield has speced the 54 ohlins on bikes on the other hand.  And they certainly know how to make a bike that can ride fast.

 

to sum up my experience shortly a larger offset increases grip and how much the bike follows where the front wheel is pointed but suffers floppiness and loss of grip when rotating the bars.  A shorter offset decreases front wheel grip but vastly improves handling and consistency in feeling when moving the bars/sliding the front wheel.  This feeling is accentuated when using shorter and quicker handling stems and lower tire pressures.

Are you sure about that explanation of off-set and it's relationship to trail and steering? I'd interpret offset changes differently, but I'm no engineer!

5/20/2023 1:39pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

You cannot polish a turd.

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5/20/2023 3:04pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

You cannot polish a turd.

You can 100% polish a turd….if you were so inclined

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5/20/2023 3:33pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

You cannot polish a turd.

This is the first I'm hearing of anything negative about the Topaz, what exactly makes it such a turd?

5/20/2023 3:34pm
dolface wrote:

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therock911 wrote:

surprised to not see Jesse on or testing flight attendant since he seemed to have a big involvement on the fox electronic shock

I'll get there. I had a priority list of things to tackle once I changed teams and getting my suspension completely dialled was more important than Flight Attendant. 

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5/20/2023 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2023 3:52pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

You cannot polish a turd.

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5/20/2023 8:31pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

You cannot polish a turd.

In my humble unpolished opinion, snobbery is very often the source of dumb criticism. DVOs are more than fine, for their target. But bells and whistles are demanded by the ones who cannot differentiate LSC from HSC, or riding with wrong sag.. The DVO jade (original dh shock) its a fantastic piece of simplicity. 

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5/22/2023 6:49am
Tim Horton wrote:

If there was stress testing, they wouldn't need to change the rockers twice per weekend, and have a different looking one each event.......

Swapping rockers or links to setup a bike for a particular track is pretty common. But in Intense's case I don't really get the impression that that's why they were swapping them out! 

As for how they stay afloat, it'd be interesting to know how many of the 951 bikes they sold to (or thru) costco? It seems like it could have been a pretty lucrative deal?

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5/22/2023 7:51am
Tim Horton wrote:

If there was stress testing, they wouldn't need to change the rockers twice per weekend, and have a different looking one each event.......

kcy4130 wrote:
Swapping rockers or links to setup a bike for a particular track is pretty common. But in Intense's case I don't really get the impression that...

Swapping rockers or links to setup a bike for a particular track is pretty common. But in Intense's case I don't really get the impression that that's why they were swapping them out! 

As for how they stay afloat, it'd be interesting to know how many of the 951 bikes they sold to (or thru) costco? It seems like it could have been a pretty lucrative deal?

I spent the last few months wrenching at regional NICA events. I had never seen a 951 anywhere, under any rider, until I started heading out to the high school races. I probably saw a good three or four dozen of those bikes over the course of a handful of races. I don’t know if that’s where most of their business is coming from, but it convinced me at least someone is buying those bikes.

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5/22/2023 8:11am
Tim Horton wrote:

If there was stress testing, they wouldn't need to change the rockers twice per weekend, and have a different looking one each event.......

kcy4130 wrote:
Swapping rockers or links to setup a bike for a particular track is pretty common. But in Intense's case I don't really get the impression that...

Swapping rockers or links to setup a bike for a particular track is pretty common. But in Intense's case I don't really get the impression that that's why they were swapping them out! 

As for how they stay afloat, it'd be interesting to know how many of the 951 bikes they sold to (or thru) costco? It seems like it could have been a pretty lucrative deal?

Those Tazer Ebikes sell like hotcakes out of the KTM shop local to me. I think they do a pretty good with those.

Still irritated they decided to use that name… 

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5/22/2023 10:03pm
therock911 wrote:
Yt tues with a idler  

Yt tues with a idler

IMG 6763

 

Thats the ride of Erik Irmisch. He's one of their athletes.

Anyway, the Tues hasn't seen an update in a while, hasn't it?

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5/22/2023 11:29pm
therock911 wrote:
Yt tues with a idler  

Yt tues with a idler

IMG 6763

 

Looks similar to what the Scott team did a year or two back on the Gambler; the axle path remains the same (assuming it's the same frame) but trying an idler to reduce kickback a bit

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5/23/2023 4:35am
nsp234 wrote:

Thats the ride of Erik Irmisch. He's one of their athletes.

Anyway, the Tues hasn't seen an update in a while, hasn't it?

If i recall the carbon is 2020 and the alloy, if they even sell it anymore, was introduced back in 2018. 

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5/23/2023 5:31am

Yes the Tues is a few years old, but if you look at the geometry it's pretty much up to date, they are only lacking a mullet version. 

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5/23/2023 8:49am

I definitely didn't want to say it NEEDS an update. I'm all for long product cycles (thanks shimano saint...).
However the industry tends to mostly see this differently, so I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be working on some new version...

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5/23/2023 11:02am

Looks like a wet scream. Maybe just mis-labeled? Mis-hotpatched? 

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5/24/2023 12:17am

Or may be he’s teasing us and those are 2 different tires - an Assegai and a Wetscream… :D

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5/24/2023 12:24am

The one knob seen over the first s of the Assegai name looks nothing like Assegai side knobs and very much looks like a wetscream side knob... 

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5/24/2023 1:16am

How come noone’s talking about the new Manitou Mattoc??? It’s covered only on bikerumors…

5/24/2023 5:52am

How come noone’s talking about the new Manitou Mattoc??? It’s covered only on bikerumors…

Blister has them up too

 

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5/24/2023 6:33am Edited Date/Time 5/24/2023 6:35am

How come noone’s talking about the new Manitou Mattoc??? It’s covered only on bikerumors…

My friend who is one of the editors of another MTB magazine mentioned a media embargo until the twenty-third of June. Maybe BikeRumor leaked it early.

Highly interesting fork though. Really good damper design, innovative air spring and somewhat competitively priced against Pike and Fox 34. I just wish Manitou products were more easy to purchase in Europe.

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5/24/2023 6:44am

June 23rd embargo seems odd given they've already released them for sale on their site and have updated service docs published.

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