Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their...
Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their „exclusive“ review of the unno: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/unno-booes-race-2022-exclusive-review/
Not manufactured in Barcelona anymore but in Asia, same as the other coming models from unno, slight rebranding etc, trying to be more price competitive with new models but all the old ones are sold out anyways.
Also new component brand „Deux“ for bars, stems, both in one, and more shitty cable routing headsets.
And fuck me that bike looks like the result of an orgy between several ebikes, some thankfully unreleased Canyon concept bike, a stumpy evo, an evil and the main ship mast of the Royal Clipper.
I'm subscribed to their RSS feed and the amount of irrelevant and confusing stream-of-consciousness nonsense they publish is impressive. At least their group tests are interesting.
Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their...
Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their „exclusive“ review of the unno: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/unno-booes-race-2022-exclusive-review/
Not manufactured in Barcelona anymore but in Asia, same as the other coming models from unno, slight rebranding etc, trying to be more price competitive with new models but all the old ones are sold out anyways.
Also new component brand „Deux“ for bars, stems, both in one, and more shitty cable routing headsets.
And fuck me that bike looks like the result of an orgy between several ebikes, some thankfully unreleased Canyon concept bike, a stumpy evo, an evil and the main ship mast of the Royal Clipper.
I'm subscribed to their RSS feed and the amount of irrelevant and confusing stream-of-consciousness nonsense they publish is impressive. At least their group tests are interesting.
for the longest time their blatant bias toward canyon was so obnoxiously obvious from their group tests they lost any credibility in my eyes. But then again, I do like reading about bikes and looking at sharp pictures, so it is still in my bike pages -favorites menu
Seems I need to do a cable routing shit post again? Ok, pardon the following.... The other day a headset routed gravel bike came out if the box with the caliper not pulled through enough and it took two people to get it to budge. And that was with adding some lubricant to the rubber grommets that the hose passed through. Bikes shouldn't be that difficult to service.
I'm also imagining a basic headset service inusuay do when I'm servicing a form just being bullshit now. Most Enduro bikes I work on also end up with shit kicked bearings after 2-4 years. Now I'll have to remove the brake hose and shifter/dropper cables to replace an upper bearing and it's going to cost the customer $80+ to pop in a new bearing ones I get everything apart, replace it, put it all back together and bleed the brake for something that I do now while I do the fork service.
What is the advantage of this on a mountain bike? PLEASE BIKE DESIGNERS, TELL ME WHAT IT IS. There is zero advantage to customers or service departments to do this. It's not like Enduro and ebike need to save watts with aero routing, so you must just be fucking with everyone, right? Do you understand how accepting a customer is for an extra $80+ fee for something that doesn't actually offer them any advantages?
Headset routing is the new pressfit bottom bracket. Don't buy any bike with it, because it just costs more to fix and causes issues. Nip this one before it even starts to take off please.
It "looks better". Not gonna lie, it does not look bad, looks clean, but so does internal routing through just the frames. And at the end of the day I want (and currently have) external routing. Based on the grammar of your post, this does REALLY grind your gears?
As for nipping in the bud, I think it's over, the genie is out of the bottle. Ho many bikes don't have internal frame routing these days? It's not as bad, but still is bad... And when a customer will compare two bikes in the store, where one has hidden hoses and cables while the other doesn't, that clean look for sure will be a factor in the sale.
As for pressfit bottom brackets, at least there are some tangible advantages to them, besides making the frames cheaper to make. If they could be removed without destroying the bearings it would be a step in the right direction in my opinion.
The holes will be molded (carbon) or predrilled (like a few other holes on the tubes and the like) so that isn't much of a factor in all of it.
I think quite a few lurkers in this forum will gladly disagree with you regarding their qualifications, as we have seen in the past week if nothing else
I wouldn't be surprised if this issue has to be dealt with by the engineering department, but originates as a request somewhere else within a company.
Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their...
Still don’t like the bros from enduro magazine because they always seem busier doing insta shoots and spouting buzzwords than properly reviewing bikes, but here’s their „exclusive“ review of the unno: https://ebike-mtb.com/en/unno-booes-race-2022-exclusive-review/
Not manufactured in Barcelona anymore but in Asia, same as the other coming models from unno, slight rebranding etc, trying to be more price competitive with new models but all the old ones are sold out anyways.
Also new component brand „Deux“ for bars, stems, both in one, and more shitty cable routing headsets.
And fuck me that bike looks like the result of an orgy between several ebikes, some thankfully unreleased Canyon concept bike, a stumpy evo, an evil and the main ship mast of the Royal Clipper.
'Down country' (just typing that makes me feel dirty) bike test -Needs 203mm rotors, 4 pot calipers and dual ply tyres to make it ridable.
Enduro bike test, The 150mm travel bike with 180mm rotors and shortest/steepest geometry was our favourite. Being light is vey important.
They are hard to take seriously tbh.
The light short bike was snappy/jibby. The downcountry bike was such a sled that it required proper components to hold up. You just don't understand bikes!!!
I'm guessing it wasn't the same person doing both tests? That's quite an issue with not just testing bikes, but testing anything that can't be measured completely objectively. Even timed runs on a bike are subjective as rider skills and preferences will play a role. Once you are dealing with such subjectiveness, you need to know who tested the product and wrote the test as that is an important insight.
It'll be a tiny amount, but those kinds of minimal savings do have an effect on decision making at manufacture level. Yes it does look good.
But I see too many bikes, almost on a daily basis with significant design flaws to believe that an engineer has been fully involved.
Plus there's such poor pay in the bike industry that most decent engineers can't afford to work in it, unless its a real passion project.
Marketing says it wants 'features' on a new bike.
Accounting says 'only if we can sell for more or it's cheaper to produce'.
Engineer protests that it's a bad idea and gets told to shut up and do it.
Ebike customers are wierd man. That’s why trek has nine thousand flashing lights and completely unnecessary features for an experienced rider. (I know when I’ve burped air in my tires or my shock isn’t doing what it normally does.)
It’s why unno just made the world’s visually longest seat tube.
If you ever walked into an ebike specialty store the stuff is just way way more out there compared to the very homogeneous and subtle looks that dominate road and mtb cycling. I think it’s honestly cool that brands are putting some extra effort into distinguishing themselves in looks and features. But this headset cable routing is one of the dumbest ways to do it.
Unfortunately I think this issue was likely compounded by how expensive molds are, how far out companies need to order parts to have them, and the fact companies know cyclists just tend to have way too much forgiveness for bike manufacturers and the market is large enough a great reputation isn’t necessarily more profitable. I would not be surprised if multiple brands designed their bikes around this headset for aesthetics, came to the same conclusion vital and other testers did when riding early protos, but ultimately said fuck it we’ll fix it in three years on the next model.
I have a bad habit of looking through the websites of bike and component manufactures when I should be doing work for college... oh well.
Anyway, Looks like the new stuff from rockshox will have two "Debonair+" air cans, both with negative volume tuning Additionally, there is a "RC3 hydraulic bottom out control" damper option. So if id have to take a wild guess, the RC3 HBC will be the "Ultimate" level shock with the RC3 being the select plus.
The Ultimate was, before they went to the 'descriptive' naming scheme instead of the 'letters telling you what it is' (guess which I prefered), the RCT - Rebound, Compression (LSC) and Treshold? (platform/lock). I'd expect the same and the RC3 to stay the open, pedal, firm.
The negative tuning option is present on the Flight Attendant stuff, which makes sense considering it's the new platform.
I predict more and more companies will choose to route cables this way, leaving customers with no option but to use shit headsets and a limited choice of stems. In around 18 months there will be companies reverting to more traditional routing and using it as a selling point on their new frames.
You have to love this industry sometimes.
To the adjustable dropouts and chainstay length on the outgoing Megatower, we salute you: [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/17/12419/s1200_mashfinale570_1.jpg[/img]
To the adjustable dropouts and chainstay length on the outgoing Megatower, we salute you:
Be nice if bikes came back to externally routed cables. There are holes in the bottom of top tubes now to hold tools/tubes why not add a cable grommet and have them run externally? Makes servicing so much easier.
It seems to be catching on, and I am severely disappointed.
I'm also imagining a basic headset service inusuay do when I'm servicing a form just being bullshit now. Most Enduro bikes I work on also end up with shit kicked bearings after 2-4 years. Now I'll have to remove the brake hose and shifter/dropper cables to replace an upper bearing and it's going to cost the customer $80+ to pop in a new bearing ones I get everything apart, replace it, put it all back together and bleed the brake for something that I do now while I do the fork service.
What is the advantage of this on a mountain bike? PLEASE BIKE DESIGNERS, TELL ME WHAT IT IS. There is zero advantage to customers or service departments to do this. It's not like Enduro and ebike need to save watts with aero routing, so you must just be fucking with everyone, right? Do you understand how accepting a customer is for an extra $80+ fee for something that doesn't actually offer them any advantages?
Headset routing is the new pressfit bottom bracket. Don't buy any bike with it, because it just costs more to fix and causes issues. Nip this one before it even starts to take off please.
As for nipping in the bud, I think it's over, the genie is out of the bottle. Ho many bikes don't have internal frame routing these days? It's not as bad, but still is bad... And when a customer will compare two bikes in the store, where one has hidden hoses and cables while the other doesn't, that clean look for sure will be a factor in the sale.
As for pressfit bottom brackets, at least there are some tangible advantages to them, besides making the frames cheaper to make. If they could be removed without destroying the bearings it would be a step in the right direction in my opinion.
I lean towards the Hambini way of thinking in that there are few qualified engineers who design bikes. Rob Arbr and Chris Deverson (Deviate) aside.
I think quite a few lurkers in this forum will gladly disagree with you regarding their qualifications, as we have seen in the past week if nothing else
I wouldn't be surprised if this issue has to be dealt with by the engineering department, but originates as a request somewhere else within a company.
Enduro bike test, The 150mm travel bike with 180mm rotors and shortest/steepest geometry was our favourite. Being light is vey important.
They are hard to take seriously tbh.
I'm guessing it wasn't the same person doing both tests? That's quite an issue with not just testing bikes, but testing anything that can't be measured completely objectively. Even timed runs on a bike are subjective as rider skills and preferences will play a role. Once you are dealing with such subjectiveness, you need to know who tested the product and wrote the test as that is an important insight.
But I see too many bikes, almost on a daily basis with significant design flaws to believe that an engineer has been fully involved.
Plus there's such poor pay in the bike industry that most decent engineers can't afford to work in it, unless its a real passion project.
Accounting says 'only if we can sell for more or it's cheaper to produce'.
Engineer protests that it's a bad idea and gets told to shut up and do it.
It’s why unno just made the world’s visually longest seat tube.
If you ever walked into an ebike specialty store the stuff is just way way more out there compared to the very homogeneous and subtle looks that dominate road and mtb cycling. I think it’s honestly cool that brands are putting some extra effort into distinguishing themselves in looks and features. But this headset cable routing is one of the dumbest ways to do it.
Unfortunately I think this issue was likely compounded by how expensive molds are, how far out companies need to order parts to have them, and the fact companies know cyclists just tend to have way too much forgiveness for bike manufacturers and the market is large enough a great reputation isn’t necessarily more profitable. I would not be surprised if multiple brands designed their bikes around this headset for aesthetics, came to the same conclusion vital and other testers did when riding early protos, but ultimately said fuck it we’ll fix it in three years on the next model.
Anyway, Looks like the new stuff from rockshox will have two "Debonair+" air cans, both with negative volume tuning Additionally, there is a "RC3 hydraulic bottom out control" damper option. So if id have to take a wild guess, the RC3 HBC will be the "Ultimate" level shock with the RC3 being the select plus.
The negative tuning option is present on the Flight Attendant stuff, which makes sense considering it's the new platform.
Care to share the links?
You have to love this industry sometimes.
Anyone know what's going on with the rear mech on this Arbr?
Is it just an aftermarket cover
It's the Intend Hover.
The cage looks Sram, the shifter is AXS. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... Looks like a duck in a down jacket then!
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