That's the point, it's for mulleting the bike, where you need to lower the rear axle to retain the original geometry. The easiest way (if possible) is to use a longer shock.
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers need 480mm of reach...
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers...
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers need 480mm of reach...
They do not make them do it. Once again this is a case of normal riders do not have the same capabilities/needs of the pros.
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers...
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers need 480mm of reach...
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless of rider size/shape etc...
Why have Canyon made an Enduro race bike that makes enduro hard to race?
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!
I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.
I'm assume it would for Factory models since the HSR adjuster is located there. Not sure if the Performance Elite model (no HSR adjustment) is the same though.
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless...
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless of rider size/shape etc...
Why have Canyon made an Enduro race bike that makes enduro hard to race?
Because of so many people who believe every bike must be lower, longer, and slacker than anything else before it..
It is kinda ironic that people who who race at a level well above any of us average riders use much more conservative geometry than what the average rider thinks will allow themselves to ride at a pro level..
How about the cranks of the orange team ? Not shimano with this color and not hope with this shape
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/21/12438/s1200_p4pb22430737.jpg[/img]
How about the cranks of the orange team ? Not shimano with this color and not hope with this shape
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!
I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.
That's what we thought initially, but it turns out the HSR adjuster shaft is sealed at the end of the shock shaft so don't have to service the shock to remove the eyelet. You just don't want to push down on the adjuster shaft or it will squirt some oil out.
The hard thing with this is going to be frame compatibility. On bikes like the Enduro it will work. Stumpjumper no. There are so many frame out there that is will be impossible to make a full list. Definitely will work on the V1 Sentinel since people are already throwing 216mm shocks on there with trunnion adapters.
The performance version of the shock has the same shock shaft so this would thread onto that too. The goal is to do one specifically for that model though since it saves a number of parts and machine time... Would be less expensive as a result.
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless...
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless of rider size/shape etc...
Why have Canyon made an Enduro race bike that makes enduro hard to race?
Because of so many people who believe every bike must be lower, longer, and slacker than anything else before it..
It is kinda ironic that people...
Because of so many people who believe every bike must be lower, longer, and slacker than anything else before it..
It is kinda ironic that people who who race at a level well above any of us average riders use much more conservative geometry than what the average rider thinks will allow themselves to ride at a pro level..
Not sure why anyone care, or tries to compare themselves to what pro riders use, or do, or eat, or ride, or….
We aren’t pro riders, most have 9-5 jobs, families, and mediocre skills at best, trying desperately to fit rides in between house chores and responsibilities. What “we” need doesn’t even resemble what pro riders use on a race course.
I dont think there’s anything ironic about any of it, we’d all be well served to ride what we feel is comfortable, available and within budget.
Does anyone yearn for an F1, or NASCAR to drive daily? Are we shocked to find out that pro MX bikes are stiff, and bone rattling to ride on anything other than groomed MX tracks? Race bikes are race bikes, end of story. Longer slacker bikes are more stable at speed, so they might make up sloppy technique, tired and distracted riders, (the friggin debate that swirls around that).
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!
I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.
That's what we thought initially, but it turns out the HSR adjuster shaft is sealed at the end of the shock shaft so don't have to...
That's what we thought initially, but it turns out the HSR adjuster shaft is sealed at the end of the shock shaft so don't have to service the shock to remove the eyelet. You just don't want to push down on the adjuster shaft or it will squirt some oil out.
The hard thing with this is going to be frame compatibility. On bikes like the Enduro it will work. Stumpjumper no. There are so many frame out there that is will be impossible to make a full list. Definitely will work on the V1 Sentinel since people are already throwing 216mm shocks on there with trunnion adapters.
The performance version of the shock has the same shock shaft so this would thread onto that too. The goal is to do one specifically for that model though since it saves a number of parts and machine time... Would be less expensive as a result.
Sooooo.
A mullet geo adjust eyelet for DHX2 coils, is that right?
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers...
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers need 480mm of reach...
Yes the longer the reach and the bike is
You can easier ride fast at the straight
So the average rider feels faster and saver on Long bikes and dont Need much skill on his normal trails
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers...
So Canyon have their tall EWS champion riding at somewhat 440mm reach (Rude, Maes and others are in a similar case), then say that 1,78m racers need 480mm of reach...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).
It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).
It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.
Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
PB measured the actual CS length of the new Strive at 442mm, which is acceptable on the size M. The high progression on this frame is very appealing to me. Looks like a great bike.
Have no idea why anyone thinks bikes turn less well with an extra 5-10mm of CS length. That's ridiculous. It's about being balanced and neutral between the wheels, that is where the stability comes from that benefits you everywhere.
Moir is 6' tall in reality.
There is a real aero advantage with internal headset cable routing. Personally I enjoy working on my bike so I don't care about extra maintenance. It also looks better.
Does someone know anything about a new trek fuel ex? A new tallboy, a new yeti SB something, a new spz enduro, a new Norco sight? Following the idea of 3-4 year update, I think those bikes fall into that category...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!
I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.
Does someone know anything about a new trek fuel ex? A new tallboy, a new yeti SB something, a new spz enduro, a new Norco sight...
Does someone know anything about a new trek fuel ex? A new tallboy, a new yeti SB something, a new spz enduro, a new Norco sight? Following the idea of 3-4 year update, I think those bikes fall into that category...
Norco said they were working on a new optic but didn't say when they would release it. Have to imagine the sight comes along with it, or one year after. I think the current pair were released in the same month.
PB measured the actual CS length of the new Strive at 442mm, which is acceptable on the size M. The high progression on this frame is...
PB measured the actual CS length of the new Strive at 442mm, which is acceptable on the size M. The high progression on this frame is very appealing to me. Looks like a great bike.
Have no idea why anyone thinks bikes turn less well with an extra 5-10mm of CS length. That's ridiculous. It's about being balanced and neutral between the wheels, that is where the stability comes from that benefits you everywhere.
Moir is 6' tall in reality.
There is a real aero advantage with internal headset cable routing. Personally I enjoy working on my bike so I don't care about extra maintenance. It also looks better.
Does someone know anything about a new trek fuel ex? A new tallboy, a new yeti SB something, a new spz enduro, a new Norco sight...
Does someone know anything about a new trek fuel ex? A new tallboy, a new yeti SB something, a new spz enduro, a new Norco sight? Following the idea of 3-4 year update, I think those bikes fall into that category...
New Fuel EX: Obviously going to be 140mm with the top Fuel at 120mm. Bit slacker. Might have mullet option as one build. Retains internal storage and uses the less proprietary shock setup like Top Fuel. Shock may be mounted upside down. There are also rumors that the design is 'radical departure' from current Trek industrial design/suspension layout. But I assume it stays with ABP.
Tallboy: Bit lighter (frame is heavy for travel amount/place in lineup), internal frame storage, slight geo tweaks. Slight possibility they take the Blur platform and build frame burlier so it's more of a Epic EVO/downcountry bike. Lighter than current tallboy but with 120mm or 130mm travel.
SB120/130/150 situation: This is a hard one. Their new 6-bar suspension design on the e-bike is apparently one of the best on the market, but it's complex and heavy for trail bikes. That said, Yeti has other 6 bar patents that may allow them to match the weights of the current SB bikes (that are mid-to heavish frames). If they don't go with revised suspension designs we'll just see update geo. Yeti doesn't use box frame tube designs so in-frame storage might not be in the cards unless they do a complete redesign/which may be incorporated with the introduction of the 6-bar trail bikes. Or maybe not.
We are going to see a slowdown in progression of bikes these days. Even more incremental as geo is pretty much stabilized and pretty much all bikes going forward will be 29er or mullets.
The Yeti patents you mention are just pivoted takes on the rail Switch Infinity design. Though which is better/lighter is a matter of debate - many small bearing and short links right in front of the rear tyre sounds like a recipe for disaster.
It's also possible they were patented to cover the loophole, to protect the IP.
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless...
The Overall EWS men's title has never been won on a bike with a reach longer than 465mm (correct me if I am incorrect?) .... regardless of rider size/shape etc...
Why have Canyon made an Enduro race bike that makes enduro hard to race?
Because of so many people who believe every bike must be lower, longer, and slacker than anything else before it..
It is kinda ironic that people...
Because of so many people who believe every bike must be lower, longer, and slacker than anything else before it..
It is kinda ironic that people who who race at a level well above any of us average riders use much more conservative geometry than what the average rider thinks will allow themselves to ride at a pro level..
Not sure why anyone care, or tries to compare themselves to what pro riders use, or do, or eat, or ride, or….
We aren’t pro riders...
Not sure why anyone care, or tries to compare themselves to what pro riders use, or do, or eat, or ride, or….
We aren’t pro riders, most have 9-5 jobs, families, and mediocre skills at best, trying desperately to fit rides in between house chores and responsibilities. What “we” need doesn’t even resemble what pro riders use on a race course.
I dont think there’s anything ironic about any of it, we’d all be well served to ride what we feel is comfortable, available and within budget.
Does anyone yearn for an F1, or NASCAR to drive daily? Are we shocked to find out that pro MX bikes are stiff, and bone rattling to ride on anything other than groomed MX tracks? Race bikes are race bikes, end of story. Longer slacker bikes are more stable at speed, so they might make up sloppy technique, tired and distracted riders, (the friggin debate that swirls around that).
That's what we thought initially, but it turns out the HSR adjuster shaft is sealed at the end of the shock shaft so don't have to...
That's what we thought initially, but it turns out the HSR adjuster shaft is sealed at the end of the shock shaft so don't have to service the shock to remove the eyelet. You just don't want to push down on the adjuster shaft or it will squirt some oil out.
The hard thing with this is going to be frame compatibility. On bikes like the Enduro it will work. Stumpjumper no. There are so many frame out there that is will be impossible to make a full list. Definitely will work on the V1 Sentinel since people are already throwing 216mm shocks on there with trunnion adapters.
The performance version of the shock has the same shock shaft so this would thread onto that too. The goal is to do one specifically for that model though since it saves a number of parts and machine time... Would be less expensive as a result.
Im immediately getting one of these adapters for my spire... my 216/63 storia V3 is coming back, with my mullet setup ; )
thanks//
Why have Canyon made an Enduro race bike that makes enduro hard to race?
It is kinda ironic that people who who race at a level well above any of us average riders use much more conservative geometry than what the average rider thinks will allow themselves to ride at a pro level..
The hard thing with this is going to be frame compatibility. On bikes like the Enduro it will work. Stumpjumper no. There are so many frame out there that is will be impossible to make a full list. Definitely will work on the V1 Sentinel since people are already throwing 216mm shocks on there with trunnion adapters.
The performance version of the shock has the same shock shaft so this would thread onto that too. The goal is to do one specifically for that model though since it saves a number of parts and machine time... Would be less expensive as a result.
We aren’t pro riders, most have 9-5 jobs, families, and mediocre skills at best, trying desperately to fit rides in between house chores and responsibilities. What “we” need doesn’t even resemble what pro riders use on a race course.
I dont think there’s anything ironic about any of it, we’d all be well served to ride what we feel is comfortable, available and within budget.
Does anyone yearn for an F1, or NASCAR to drive daily? Are we shocked to find out that pro MX bikes are stiff, and bone rattling to ride on anything other than groomed MX tracks? Race bikes are race bikes, end of story. Longer slacker bikes are more stable at speed, so they might make up sloppy technique, tired and distracted riders, (the friggin debate that swirls around that).
A mullet geo adjust eyelet for DHX2 coils, is that right?
You can easier ride fast at the straight
So the average rider feels faster and saver on Long bikes and dont Need much skill on his normal trails
Have no idea why anyone thinks bikes turn less well with an extra 5-10mm of CS length. That's ridiculous. It's about being balanced and neutral between the wheels, that is where the stability comes from that benefits you everywhere.
Moir is 6' tall in reality.
There is a real aero advantage with internal headset cable routing. Personally I enjoy working on my bike so I don't care about extra maintenance. It also looks better.
You guys are hitting it out of the park.
Now, about some new levers for my code master cylinders…..
Tallboy: Bit lighter (frame is heavy for travel amount/place in lineup), internal frame storage, slight geo tweaks. Slight possibility they take the Blur platform and build frame burlier so it's more of a Epic EVO/downcountry bike. Lighter than current tallboy but with 120mm or 130mm travel.
SB120/130/150 situation: This is a hard one. Their new 6-bar suspension design on the e-bike is apparently one of the best on the market, but it's complex and heavy for trail bikes. That said, Yeti has other 6 bar patents that may allow them to match the weights of the current SB bikes (that are mid-to heavish frames). If they don't go with revised suspension designs we'll just see update geo. Yeti doesn't use box frame tube designs so in-frame storage might not be in the cards unless they do a complete redesign/which may be incorporated with the introduction of the 6-bar trail bikes. Or maybe not.
We are going to see a slowdown in progression of bikes these days. Even more incremental as geo is pretty much stabilized and pretty much all bikes going forward will be 29er or mullets.
It's also possible they were patented to cover the loophole, to protect the IP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VJgvZ7Hxg
thanks//
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