Will more companies be shutting down in the next 12-24 months?

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I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be quieter, etc. At least on commuter bikes.

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Suns_PSD wrote:
I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be...

I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be quieter, etc. At least on commuter bikes.

They are in the MC market. Harley, BMW, Suzuki, and Kawasaki all make belt driven bikes.

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@jeff.brines - from the gates PR below - gives some hints as to their objective - i could see DH being a place to test real-world durability under extreme conditions/stresses.

Belt Drive Technology Leading the Charge in Micromobility

Gates Belt Drive technology is transforming personal and micromobility solutions worldwide. From bicycles and electric bikes to scooters and motorcycles, Gates’ innovative belt drive systems offer grease-free, rust-free, and low maintenance solutions tailored for high performance and durability. The Gates Carbon Drive system stands out as the market's best high-mileage bicycle drive, delivering exceptional reliability for urban commuters, mountain bikers, eBike riders, and casual cruisers alike.

By partnering with top downhill teams, Gates brings its materials science and engineering expertise to the forefront of the sport, challenging traditional chain-driven systems and inspiring a new era of innovation in competitive cycling. For more information about Gates Belt Drive technology or for official €100K Belted Purse contest rules, visit www.gatesbeltdrive.com. #GatesMTB100K #GatesBeltDrive

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Suns_PSD wrote:
I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be...

I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be quieter, etc. At least on commuter bikes.

I know Harley is belt driven. As to dirt bikes, not sure. I'm sure you could make it work, but chains are just so reliable, cheap, and functional. Hell, I don't even lube my dirt bike chain (ever) and it works well over 200 hours. Crazy. 

You all interested in a belt drive gearbox thread? I am tempted to take this off the rails talking about it, and I'm so curious if anyone had real world experience with them, that we'll end up in a totally different place quickly.

Paging @sspomer 

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Suns_PSD wrote:
I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be...

I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be quieter, etc. At least on commuter bikes.

I know Harley is belt driven. As to dirt bikes, not sure. I'm sure you could make it work, but chains are just so reliable, cheap...

I know Harley is belt driven. As to dirt bikes, not sure. I'm sure you could make it work, but chains are just so reliable, cheap, and functional. Hell, I don't even lube my dirt bike chain (ever) and it works well over 200 hours. Crazy. 

You all interested in a belt drive gearbox thread? I am tempted to take this off the rails talking about it, and I'm so curious if anyone had real world experience with them, that we'll end up in a totally different place quickly.

Paging @sspomer 

Gearbox thread is a good idea 

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Suns_PSD wrote:
I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be...

I wonder why Gates hasn't tried to expand into the motorcycle market, would seem like the upside would be huge? Could save weight, be cleaner, be quieter, etc. At least on commuter bikes.

I know Harley is belt driven. As to dirt bikes, not sure. I'm sure you could make it work, but chains are just so reliable, cheap...

I know Harley is belt driven. As to dirt bikes, not sure. I'm sure you could make it work, but chains are just so reliable, cheap, and functional. Hell, I don't even lube my dirt bike chain (ever) and it works well over 200 hours. Crazy. 

You all interested in a belt drive gearbox thread? I am tempted to take this off the rails talking about it, and I'm so curious if anyone had real world experience with them, that we'll end up in a totally different place quickly.

Paging @sspomer 

Robbie420 wrote:

Gearbox thread is a good idea 

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jonkranked wrote:
personally, i'm of the opinion (and others seem to be as well) is that once you can mate / integrate a gearbox with an e-bike motor...

personally, i'm of the opinion (and others seem to be as well) is that once you can mate / integrate a gearbox with an e-bike motor the floodgates would probably open up.

amaranth wrote:

Pinion already has that, the MGU, and it...uhm, hasn't really taken off. 

jonkranked wrote:
was not aware they had one, thanks for the info.  perused the pinion site, aside from commuter and cargo bikes, it appears the only brands making...

was not aware they had one, thanks for the info.  perused the pinion site, aside from commuter and cargo bikes, it appears the only brands making MTBs with it are nicolai, rotwild, bulls, and some company named flyer.  

https://pinion.eu/en/bike-selection/#filter=.bike-getriebe-322

Trinity bikes can use Pinion GB's. But they can also use Effigear and the WRP one being developed 

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jonkranked wrote:
personally, i'm of the opinion (and others seem to be as well) is that once you can mate / integrate a gearbox with an e-bike motor...

personally, i'm of the opinion (and others seem to be as well) is that once you can mate / integrate a gearbox with an e-bike motor the floodgates would probably open up.

amaranth wrote:

Pinion already has that, the MGU, and it...uhm, hasn't really taken off. 

jonkranked wrote:
was not aware they had one, thanks for the info.  perused the pinion site, aside from commuter and cargo bikes, it appears the only brands making...

was not aware they had one, thanks for the info.  perused the pinion site, aside from commuter and cargo bikes, it appears the only brands making MTBs with it are nicolai, rotwild, bulls, and some company named flyer.  

https://pinion.eu/en/bike-selection/#filter=.bike-getriebe-322

add simplon, tout terrain

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Soft apparel but saw on another website speculation around 661

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