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bizutch wrote:
What part of #6 doesn't he meet?The irony of the company he raced his 1st Worlds for making a "not for sale" DH bike for 1...

What part of #6 doesn't he meet?

The irony of the company he raced his 1st Worlds for making a "not for sale" DH bike for 1 guy who then earns the Worlds team slot AG would most certainly occupy based on beating 4 of the 6 slotted racers in back to back events "just easing back into it, not sure how much I wanna push the pace just yet".  

Sports get stupid sometimes. AG1...the Caitlin Clark of DH 2024 🙃

Had AG raced at all this year before the selections were made?

I'm not even concerned with any of that nonsense. GM & AG1 shouldn't ever have to worry about that criteria.
Front of the line for 1A & 1B.

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bizutch wrote:
I'm not even concerned with any of that nonsense. GM & AG1 shouldn't ever have to worry about that criteria.Front of the line for 1A &...

I'm not even concerned with any of that nonsense. GM & AG1 shouldn't ever have to worry about that criteria.
Front of the line for 1A & 1B.

Did quota positions remain that he could have even been considered for Worlds 2024 or were they already maxed out?

Taking NOTHING away from Aaron but he hasn't raced much this year and others should get their chance to line up. 

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bizutch wrote:
I'm not even concerned with any of that nonsense. GM & AG1 shouldn't ever have to worry about that criteria.Front of the line for 1A &...

I'm not even concerned with any of that nonsense. GM & AG1 shouldn't ever have to worry about that criteria.
Front of the line for 1A & 1B.

Simcik wrote:
Did quota positions remain that he could have even been considered for Worlds 2024 or were they already maxed out?Taking NOTHING away from Aaron but he...

Did quota positions remain that he could have even been considered for Worlds 2024 or were they already maxed out?

Taking NOTHING away from Aaron but he hasn't raced much this year and others should get their chance to line up. 

How many are we allowed to send?
I have zero issues with the guys selected.
All deserve it.

With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2 weeks in a row openly confessing he's riding conservative and uneasy...can't he do something like be "first alternate" and go to Worlds and race if someone gets hurt?  I seem to remember that happening in the past.

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bizutch wrote:
How many are we allowed to send?I have zero issues with the guys selected.All deserve it.With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2...

How many are we allowed to send?
I have zero issues with the guys selected.
All deserve it.

With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2 weeks in a row openly confessing he's riding conservative and uneasy...can't he do something like be "first alternate" and go to Worlds and race if someone gets hurt?  I seem to remember that happening in the past.

I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who have been able to complete the season up to that point. Plus I think we can all agree, USAC has never cared about gravity racing so they probably didn't even have a meeting about the selection to consider an alternate based upon one of the top USA racers in history coming back from injury

I am not saying he should or shouldn't go based on the rules just looking at why he appears not to have gotten a spot. He is seemingly back on track and looking healthy/fast. 

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bizutch wrote:
How many are we allowed to send?I have zero issues with the guys selected.All deserve it.With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2...

How many are we allowed to send?
I have zero issues with the guys selected.
All deserve it.

With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2 weeks in a row openly confessing he's riding conservative and uneasy...can't he do something like be "first alternate" and go to Worlds and race if someone gets hurt?  I seem to remember that happening in the past.

Simcik wrote:
I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who...

I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who have been able to complete the season up to that point. Plus I think we can all agree, USAC has never cared about gravity racing so they probably didn't even have a meeting about the selection to consider an alternate based upon one of the top USA racers in history coming back from injury

I am not saying he should or shouldn't go based on the rules just looking at why he appears not to have gotten a spot. He is seemingly back on track and looking healthy/fast. 

Was just advised you can petition to go to Worlds.

Can we talk humble AG1 into petitioning.  I just want to see what he does on the new sled.  Everyone is gonna throw it against the wall for this race except him & it might could play out like a Vegas parlay bet.

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as someone said, maybe he didn't want to go. he raced national champs and monster pro - two races on the new sled for you to see how he's done on it. he did well, but didn't win. if he doesn't think he's going to win world champs, why even go? (i have no idea if he wanted to go or not).

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bizutch wrote:
How many are we allowed to send?I have zero issues with the guys selected.All deserve it.With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2...

How many are we allowed to send?
I have zero issues with the guys selected.
All deserve it.

With AG1 showing up and pipping them as top 3 2 weeks in a row openly confessing he's riding conservative and uneasy...can't he do something like be "first alternate" and go to Worlds and race if someone gets hurt?  I seem to remember that happening in the past.

Simcik wrote:
I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who...

I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who have been able to complete the season up to that point. Plus I think we can all agree, USAC has never cared about gravity racing so they probably didn't even have a meeting about the selection to consider an alternate based upon one of the top USA racers in history coming back from injury

I am not saying he should or shouldn't go based on the rules just looking at why he appears not to have gotten a spot. He is seemingly back on track and looking healthy/fast. 

bizutch wrote:
Was just advised you can petition to go to Worlds.Can we talk humble AG1 into petitioning.  I just want to see what he does on the...

Was just advised you can petition to go to Worlds.

Can we talk humble AG1 into petitioning.  I just want to see what he does on the new sled.  Everyone is gonna throw it against the wall for this race except him & it might could play out like a Vegas parlay bet.

I believe only Dak and Luca met criteria for automatic placement on Worlds team.  All others had to put in a petition which asked questions about WC placings, why you should be chosen etc.  Not sure if Ryan was automatically in since his wins were in Jrs the year before. 

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Simcik wrote:
I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who...

I have no idea on the quota, just seemed the likely reason. Two weeks/results right ahead of the selection process ignores the efforts/results of racers who have been able to complete the season up to that point. Plus I think we can all agree, USAC has never cared about gravity racing so they probably didn't even have a meeting about the selection to consider an alternate based upon one of the top USA racers in history coming back from injury

I am not saying he should or shouldn't go based on the rules just looking at why he appears not to have gotten a spot. He is seemingly back on track and looking healthy/fast. 

USA had 7 make elite riders in their participation quota, and have only sent 6 male.

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Slovenia gets 7 female spots while there are not even 7 competitors racing the national rounds Sad

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8/23/2024 5:13am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2024 5:14am
sspomer wrote:
as someone said, maybe he didn't want to go. he raced national champs and monster pro - two races on the new sled for you to...

as someone said, maybe he didn't want to go. he raced national champs and monster pro - two races on the new sled for you to see how he's done on it. he did well, but didn't win. if he doesn't think he's going to win world champs, why even go? (i have no idea if he wanted to go or not).

To get in competitive laps on a European track on a bike that's only ridden two relatively tame US tracks.
And valuable exposure for a brand he has some ownership of on the international stage. 

Good for bidness 

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He may be commentating if as others pointed out he doesn’t feel he’s quite ready to win yet.


My guess is he does loudenville and us open as a “warm up” and targets msa for his real return.  He’s always been competitive there and it seems that place is pretty special for him.  And while I’m sure he’s absolutely gunning to get back to his ways he’s been pretty open about rushing back not working in his favor in the past.

 

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Remember he didn't race Crankworx.  

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Remember he didn't race Crankworx.  

Man, don't know about you but I used to only get faster as a season went on if I got to line up and race consistently.
I can't imagine showing up to Loudenville or Mte Saint Anne & just go World Cup speed, even if I had all the talent & experience in the world.
I want to race a lot before I feel like I can piece together a heater I'm happy with.

Now...Crankworx...I'd have zero problems ditching a first race back to go pul laps on laps in the park & Dark Crystal.

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mfoga wrote:

Remember he didn't race Crankworx.  

bizutch wrote:
Man, don't know about you but I used to only get faster as a season went on if I got to line up and race consistently.I...

Man, don't know about you but I used to only get faster as a season went on if I got to line up and race consistently.
I can't imagine showing up to Loudenville or Mte Saint Anne & just go World Cup speed, even if I had all the talent & experience in the world.
I want to race a lot before I feel like I can piece together a heater I'm happy with.

Now...Crankworx...I'd have zero problems ditching a first race back to go pul laps on laps in the park & Dark Crystal.

I think 1st race 1st place Aaron can do ok at getting upto speed wherever on his own.

I also think this year is probably mostly a write off for him at this point.  Will shoot for a result in msa to end season on a high note and get ready for the upcoming season.

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looks like AG will finally back in the stargate on a worldcup level…

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What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their DH program?

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trexyz wrote:
What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their...

What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their DH program?

Brook has done all the world cups this season. He hasn’t qualified for the finals yet. 

https://www.rootsandrain.com/rider3062/brook-macdonald/results/


Brook wasn’t chosen to represent NZ at the world champs as he wasn’t one of their top riders.  

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trexyz wrote:
What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their...

What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their DH program?

Not sure what's going on with Connor. He seems to be just chilling at home these days, but there's likely a good reason. Forbidden has been getting Emmy Lan into more DH races this year, and I can see Alex and Rhys getting into it as well.

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Not sure what's going on with Connor. He seems to be just chilling at home these days, but there's likely a good reason. Forbidden has been...

Not sure what's going on with Connor. He seems to be just chilling at home these days, but there's likely a good reason. Forbidden has been getting Emmy Lan into more DH races this year, and I can see Alex and Rhys getting into it as well.

I'm not sure if he's done the whole series, but he's been racing at Crankworx.

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trexyz wrote:
What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their...

What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their DH program?

There is something electric in the future. 

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trexyz wrote:
What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their...

What happened with Forbidden team? Connor raced only the first round and Brook did only the first half of the season. Are they also folding their DH program?

roundman69 wrote:

There is something electric in the future. 

...but what if there's no E-EDR to race it?

As for Connor, I'd just assume team travel budget/support keep him limited to a more reasonable flight radius from home base as opposed to a full summer of heavy global air travel. 

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All the tracks for NW Cup Port Angeles this weekend. How rad are the groms just punting on Cat 2?!

Pro / Cat 1

Cat 2

Cat 3

 

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9/5/2024 8:22am Edited Date/Time 9/5/2024 10:22am

B Practice from Worlds is live! 

Show Notes

3:06 - Dak's wild week at Worlds
4:56 - Race day game plan
7:52 - Where it all went wrong 
15:08 - Dealing with the heartbreak of crashing at Worlds
23:29 - Bike setup for Andorra
23:48 - Loudenveille setup and approach
26:22 - Tire choice in Andorra 
27:31 - Dak's "stock" tire pressure
30:39 - Unintentional Maxxis sponsor plug - DH casing convo
33:47 - Tuned mass damper hearsay 
42:36 - New (Shimano) brakes
46:27 - Dak's current bar height, stem length, stack height
57:06 - Industry Buzz Report: John's thoughts on tuned mass dampers
1:03:42 - pranks in the pits
1:06:27 - Fav Worlds Kit
1:09:06 - MTB TMZ
1:11:29 - Why Bruni isn't fast just because of his bike
1:25:58 - Importance of team environment 
1:34:17 - Junior results, race highlights, Loudenveille predictions
1:38:46 - Loic going top 3 in the last split after crashing…
1:40:35 - Back to Junior discussion
1:49:30 - Elite results, race highlights, Loudenveille predictions
2:05:52 - Burgtec Labour of Love

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Anyone see how South Africa intentionally shafted Theo Erlangsen for Worlds on IG?

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bizutch wrote:

Anyone see how South Africa intentionally shafted Theo Erlangsen for Worlds on IG?

Seems unduly harsh. I think if I was in his shoes I'd be seriously looking into the Greek option. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_QNZ5JsVG2/

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bizutch wrote:

Anyone see how South Africa intentionally shafted Theo Erlangsen for Worlds on IG?

Theo didn’t fulfill the criteria (see below), hasn’t qualified for a final this or last year and when the team was selected was ranked 136 in the world (5th highest SA rider). 

Is the world champs a participation event where everyone gets a ribbon?

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DHI Selection Criteria 30.

Performance Time Period

30.1. The performance period for the purposes of selections is 15th Jan 2024 to 16th Jun 2024. In the case of extenuating circumstances being approved, the Panel may consider an athlete’s results in the 12 months prior to the performance time period.

31. Selection Events For the purposes of nominations, the selectors will consider performances achieved in the following events, and in the order of priority:

31.1. 2024 UCI DHI World Cups Rounds 1 to 5 between 03rd May and 30th Jun 2024

31.2. 2024 CSA National DHI Championships.

31.3. 2024 CSA National Cup Series DHI events during the performance period.

31.4. 2023 UCI DHI World Championships, though this will not form part of the performance time period.

31.5. Any further UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1 and Cat 2 during the performance period.

 

32. Performance Criteria Subject to meeting the selection criteria at a primary, secondary and tertiary level for different tiered events, riders qualify for points towards selection their performance profiles in the following ways at different level events:

- 32.1. SA DHI Championship 2024

- -32.1.1. Points allocations: 1st place = 2 points; 2nd = 1 points : 3rd place = 0,5 points

- -32.1.2. Men’s categories – must be a minimum of five participants per category.

- -32.1.3. Women’s categories – must be a minimum of three participants per category.

- - -32.1.3.1. If insufficient numbers occur in the Elite or Junior Women categories – the overall Women winner (if competing within the above categories, and finishing within 120% of the respective Male category winner) will be awarded 1 point.

32.2. SA National Cup Series 2024

- -32.2.1. To be eligible for this point’s criteria, riders must participate in at least 75% of the SA Cup Series events held prior to the closure of the performance period on 31st May 2024

32.2.2. Points allocations Series final standings (75%) = 1 st 2 points; 2nd 1 point; 3rd 0.5 points Elite Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on at least 3 series races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Elite Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed

32.3. African Continental Champion [only if held in 2024]

32.3.1. Points allocations: 2 points to winner

32.3.2. There must be a minimum of 5 South African riders (3 in the Women’s category) present per Elite/Junior category for this to apply. This number is automatically reduced in accordance with the numbers selected if less than five per category.

32.4. 2023 World Championships

32.4.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any rider finishing in the top 25% of the respective category starting field at the previous MTB World Championships.

32.4.1.1. Junior results are subject to the rider still being eligible for the Junior category and cannot be transferred to the Elite Category.

32.5. UCI World Cup Final Run: - (2 points) Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time

32.6. UCI World Cup Semi-final Qualifying Run:

32.6.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who qualifies for a World Cup semi-final within the performance time period will receive a point.

32.7. UCI World Cup Rankings as on the Selection Date 30th June 2024

-32.7.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any Elite or Junior Men or Women rider in the top 10% of the UCI World Cup rankings. 32.8. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1(EG: IXS Cup events)

32.8.1. Points allocations: 1 point plus, an additional 1 point for a podium result Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.9. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 2 (EG: IXS Cup events) 32.9.1. Points allocations .5 point Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.10. IXS Cup Rankings

32.10.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who ranked within the Top 3 of EITHER the IXS European Cup OR IXS Downhill Cup Rankings as of the selection date on 30th June 2024.

 

33. Tier 1: World Championships Selections

33.1. Subject to available national starting positions at the World Championships (inclusive of juniors) , selection criteria shall be based on the principles below taking into consider that if more athletes per category attain the criteria listed than the quota available, priority shall be given to primary, then secondary criteria. The selectors will select the best athletes based on results achieved on a course having similar characteristics and profile to the proposed course for the event.

33.1.1. Additionally, the relevant Selection Panel shall consider any one or more of the following factors to select the best athlete:

33.1.1.1. Any of the result(s) and performance(s) of the athlete at national and/or international competitions, with priority given to results and performances in selection period prior to the applicable Team Selection Date, including a comparison of the athletes at the National Championships.

33.1.1.2. The technical, physical, and mental skills, as well as behavior, of the athlete which are relevant to the nature of the event and the environment of the applicable International Competition to meet team objectives.

33.2. Primary Selections

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

33.2.1.2. Elite Women – Top 10

33.2.1.3. Junior Men – Top 20

33.2.1.4. Junior Women – Top 10

 

33.2.2. Any athlete finishing in a medal position at the most recent World Championships in a Downhill racing event shall be eligible to selection, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

33.2.3. Athletes who qualified for participation in the semi-finals at the recent World Championships, or a World Cup Event held during the selection period shall be considered for Primary Selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy. 33.2.4. A rider who is in the Top 10 of the UCI World Rankings at the time of selection, will be exempt from the requirements for performance criteria.

33.2.5. Riders who have attained a performance profile of seven (7) points, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.3. Secondary Selection

33.3.1. Athletes who have qualified for semi final at any UCI World Cup during the selection period or for finals at any European or American UCI Class 1 event during the selection period shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy.

33.3.2. Athletes, 25 years and younger, who are on an elite medal trajectory in the next 5 years shall be considered for selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo. These shall include:

33.3.2.1. Elite athletes who have demonstrated through international performances and results the potential to progress toward a result as listed in 33.2.1 at the UCI MTB World Championships within 2 years.

33.3.2.2. Junior athletes who have demonstrated potential to progress towards a result as listed in 33.2.1 at future World Championships.

33.3.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of five (5) points, shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.4. Tertiary Selection

33.4.1. Athletes not meeting the selection criteria as outlined in clauses 33.2.1, 33.2.2, 33.3.1 or 33.3.2 shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 33.4.2. Athletes who have the potential to be one of the top three ranked South Africans on the UCI DHI individual rankings at the end of 2024 such that their performance at World Championships may assist South Africa’s overall nation ranking.

33.4.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of three (3) points, shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 34. Tier 2: African Continental Championships 2024 34.1. If no quota is applied, there will not be selection criteria for the African Continental Championships in 2024, and all licensed riders may participate. In the case that quotas apply, the criteria shall be the same as for the World Championships

 

34.2. Participation in the African Continental Championship will be on a self-funded basis, unless funding is available as determined by ExBo, in which case the criteria as for World Champs will apply.

 

35. Tier 3: Host Nation Team Selection for any MTB World Cup that may be held in SA

35.1. Riders with UCI Points: Those riders who have sufficient UCI points to qualify in terms of UCI rules, will automatically be able to participate.

35.2. The onus is on these riders to inform Cycling SA-MTB of their intention to participate at least 1 month before the World Cup registration day.

35.3. Riders with insufficient UCI points and first-time Juniors [who were Youth in previous year]: 35.3.1. As host nation, SA is allowed to enter 6 riders in teams for the different categories in addition to riders who qualify automatically. These riders shall be ranked according to their performance profile and selected based on these individual rankings.

 

36. Competitive and comparative assessment: If further assessment is required where riders are very close on performances achieved in terms of clause 32 the Selection Panel will also be required to assess performance in terms of results achieved, in the priority order shown, as to:

36.1. Head-to-Head: Where positions are tallied, with the lowest total being the best result

36.2. Podiums: Top 3 positions achieved in selection races, with points 1st=3; 2nd =2; 3rd=1 36.3. Ranking: UCI World ranking followed by RSA ranking

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9/5/2024 7:35pm
bizutch wrote:

Anyone see how South Africa intentionally shafted Theo Erlangsen for Worlds on IG?

casey79 wrote:
Theo didn’t fulfill the criteria (see below), hasn’t qualified for a final this or last year and when the team was selected was ranked 136 in...

Theo didn’t fulfill the criteria (see below), hasn’t qualified for a final this or last year and when the team was selected was ranked 136 in the world (5th highest SA rider). 

Is the world champs a participation event where everyone gets a ribbon?

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DHI Selection Criteria 30.

Performance Time Period

30.1. The performance period for the purposes of selections is 15th Jan 2024 to 16th Jun 2024. In the case of extenuating circumstances being approved, the Panel may consider an athlete’s results in the 12 months prior to the performance time period.

31. Selection Events For the purposes of nominations, the selectors will consider performances achieved in the following events, and in the order of priority:

31.1. 2024 UCI DHI World Cups Rounds 1 to 5 between 03rd May and 30th Jun 2024

31.2. 2024 CSA National DHI Championships.

31.3. 2024 CSA National Cup Series DHI events during the performance period.

31.4. 2023 UCI DHI World Championships, though this will not form part of the performance time period.

31.5. Any further UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1 and Cat 2 during the performance period.

 

32. Performance Criteria Subject to meeting the selection criteria at a primary, secondary and tertiary level for different tiered events, riders qualify for points towards selection their performance profiles in the following ways at different level events:

- 32.1. SA DHI Championship 2024

- -32.1.1. Points allocations: 1st place = 2 points; 2nd = 1 points : 3rd place = 0,5 points

- -32.1.2. Men’s categories – must be a minimum of five participants per category.

- -32.1.3. Women’s categories – must be a minimum of three participants per category.

- - -32.1.3.1. If insufficient numbers occur in the Elite or Junior Women categories – the overall Women winner (if competing within the above categories, and finishing within 120% of the respective Male category winner) will be awarded 1 point.

32.2. SA National Cup Series 2024

- -32.2.1. To be eligible for this point’s criteria, riders must participate in at least 75% of the SA Cup Series events held prior to the closure of the performance period on 31st May 2024

32.2.2. Points allocations Series final standings (75%) = 1 st 2 points; 2nd 1 point; 3rd 0.5 points Elite Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on at least 3 series races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Elite Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed

32.3. African Continental Champion [only if held in 2024]

32.3.1. Points allocations: 2 points to winner

32.3.2. There must be a minimum of 5 South African riders (3 in the Women’s category) present per Elite/Junior category for this to apply. This number is automatically reduced in accordance with the numbers selected if less than five per category.

32.4. 2023 World Championships

32.4.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any rider finishing in the top 25% of the respective category starting field at the previous MTB World Championships.

32.4.1.1. Junior results are subject to the rider still being eligible for the Junior category and cannot be transferred to the Elite Category.

32.5. UCI World Cup Final Run: - (2 points) Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time

32.6. UCI World Cup Semi-final Qualifying Run:

32.6.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who qualifies for a World Cup semi-final within the performance time period will receive a point.

32.7. UCI World Cup Rankings as on the Selection Date 30th June 2024

-32.7.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any Elite or Junior Men or Women rider in the top 10% of the UCI World Cup rankings. 32.8. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1(EG: IXS Cup events)

32.8.1. Points allocations: 1 point plus, an additional 1 point for a podium result Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.9. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 2 (EG: IXS Cup events) 32.9.1. Points allocations .5 point Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.10. IXS Cup Rankings

32.10.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who ranked within the Top 3 of EITHER the IXS European Cup OR IXS Downhill Cup Rankings as of the selection date on 30th June 2024.

 

33. Tier 1: World Championships Selections

33.1. Subject to available national starting positions at the World Championships (inclusive of juniors) , selection criteria shall be based on the principles below taking into consider that if more athletes per category attain the criteria listed than the quota available, priority shall be given to primary, then secondary criteria. The selectors will select the best athletes based on results achieved on a course having similar characteristics and profile to the proposed course for the event.

33.1.1. Additionally, the relevant Selection Panel shall consider any one or more of the following factors to select the best athlete:

33.1.1.1. Any of the result(s) and performance(s) of the athlete at national and/or international competitions, with priority given to results and performances in selection period prior to the applicable Team Selection Date, including a comparison of the athletes at the National Championships.

33.1.1.2. The technical, physical, and mental skills, as well as behavior, of the athlete which are relevant to the nature of the event and the environment of the applicable International Competition to meet team objectives.

33.2. Primary Selections

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

33.2.1.2. Elite Women – Top 10

33.2.1.3. Junior Men – Top 20

33.2.1.4. Junior Women – Top 10

 

33.2.2. Any athlete finishing in a medal position at the most recent World Championships in a Downhill racing event shall be eligible to selection, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

33.2.3. Athletes who qualified for participation in the semi-finals at the recent World Championships, or a World Cup Event held during the selection period shall be considered for Primary Selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy. 33.2.4. A rider who is in the Top 10 of the UCI World Rankings at the time of selection, will be exempt from the requirements for performance criteria.

33.2.5. Riders who have attained a performance profile of seven (7) points, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.3. Secondary Selection

33.3.1. Athletes who have qualified for semi final at any UCI World Cup during the selection period or for finals at any European or American UCI Class 1 event during the selection period shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy.

33.3.2. Athletes, 25 years and younger, who are on an elite medal trajectory in the next 5 years shall be considered for selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo. These shall include:

33.3.2.1. Elite athletes who have demonstrated through international performances and results the potential to progress toward a result as listed in 33.2.1 at the UCI MTB World Championships within 2 years.

33.3.2.2. Junior athletes who have demonstrated potential to progress towards a result as listed in 33.2.1 at future World Championships.

33.3.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of five (5) points, shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.4. Tertiary Selection

33.4.1. Athletes not meeting the selection criteria as outlined in clauses 33.2.1, 33.2.2, 33.3.1 or 33.3.2 shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 33.4.2. Athletes who have the potential to be one of the top three ranked South Africans on the UCI DHI individual rankings at the end of 2024 such that their performance at World Championships may assist South Africa’s overall nation ranking.

33.4.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of three (3) points, shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 34. Tier 2: African Continental Championships 2024 34.1. If no quota is applied, there will not be selection criteria for the African Continental Championships in 2024, and all licensed riders may participate. In the case that quotas apply, the criteria shall be the same as for the World Championships

 

34.2. Participation in the African Continental Championship will be on a self-funded basis, unless funding is available as determined by ExBo, in which case the criteria as for World Champs will apply.

 

35. Tier 3: Host Nation Team Selection for any MTB World Cup that may be held in SA

35.1. Riders with UCI Points: Those riders who have sufficient UCI points to qualify in terms of UCI rules, will automatically be able to participate.

35.2. The onus is on these riders to inform Cycling SA-MTB of their intention to participate at least 1 month before the World Cup registration day.

35.3. Riders with insufficient UCI points and first-time Juniors [who were Youth in previous year]: 35.3.1. As host nation, SA is allowed to enter 6 riders in teams for the different categories in addition to riders who qualify automatically. These riders shall be ranked according to their performance profile and selected based on these individual rankings.

 

36. Competitive and comparative assessment: If further assessment is required where riders are very close on performances achieved in terms of clause 32 the Selection Panel will also be required to assess performance in terms of results achieved, in the priority order shown, as to:

36.1. Head-to-Head: Where positions are tallied, with the lowest total being the best result

36.2. Podiums: Top 3 positions achieved in selection races, with points 1st=3; 2nd =2; 3rd=1 36.3. Ranking: UCI World ranking followed by RSA ranking

No, it's not. Technically, there are only three medals up for grabs in each class, no ribbons. However, representation matters, especially from a country like SOUTH AFRICA. 

That's a lot of rules to read through and interpret correctly. What i read is that SA can send "6 riders in teams for the different categories in addition to riders who qualify automatically." In the Elite Men's field, outside of GM (who I'm presuming auto-qualifies with his 3rd in Les Gets), are there 5 other riders even trying to go to Worlds from SA? Théo does have at least 2 points for making semi-finals twice this year. Even he was the 5th ranked elite male from SA at the time of selection, that still would have left room on the team for him (if the team was actually full). 

It just seems to me that if someone is already in Europe, and wants to go to the race and represent their country, you figure it out. 

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9/5/2024 8:12pm
bizutch wrote:

Anyone see how South Africa intentionally shafted Theo Erlangsen for Worlds on IG?

casey79 wrote:
Theo didn’t fulfill the criteria (see below), hasn’t qualified for a final this or last year and when the team was selected was ranked 136 in...

Theo didn’t fulfill the criteria (see below), hasn’t qualified for a final this or last year and when the team was selected was ranked 136 in the world (5th highest SA rider). 

Is the world champs a participation event where everyone gets a ribbon?

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DHI Selection Criteria 30.

Performance Time Period

30.1. The performance period for the purposes of selections is 15th Jan 2024 to 16th Jun 2024. In the case of extenuating circumstances being approved, the Panel may consider an athlete’s results in the 12 months prior to the performance time period.

31. Selection Events For the purposes of nominations, the selectors will consider performances achieved in the following events, and in the order of priority:

31.1. 2024 UCI DHI World Cups Rounds 1 to 5 between 03rd May and 30th Jun 2024

31.2. 2024 CSA National DHI Championships.

31.3. 2024 CSA National Cup Series DHI events during the performance period.

31.4. 2023 UCI DHI World Championships, though this will not form part of the performance time period.

31.5. Any further UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1 and Cat 2 during the performance period.

 

32. Performance Criteria Subject to meeting the selection criteria at a primary, secondary and tertiary level for different tiered events, riders qualify for points towards selection their performance profiles in the following ways at different level events:

- 32.1. SA DHI Championship 2024

- -32.1.1. Points allocations: 1st place = 2 points; 2nd = 1 points : 3rd place = 0,5 points

- -32.1.2. Men’s categories – must be a minimum of five participants per category.

- -32.1.3. Women’s categories – must be a minimum of three participants per category.

- - -32.1.3.1. If insufficient numbers occur in the Elite or Junior Women categories – the overall Women winner (if competing within the above categories, and finishing within 120% of the respective Male category winner) will be awarded 1 point.

32.2. SA National Cup Series 2024

- -32.2.1. To be eligible for this point’s criteria, riders must participate in at least 75% of the SA Cup Series events held prior to the closure of the performance period on 31st May 2024

32.2.2. Points allocations Series final standings (75%) = 1 st 2 points; 2nd 1 point; 3rd 0.5 points Elite Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on at least 3 series races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Elite Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Men: (a) Performance: Must be within 103% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed Junior Women: (a) Performance: Must be within 105% of the race winner on applicable races (b) Basis: Only Final Run results will be assessed

32.3. African Continental Champion [only if held in 2024]

32.3.1. Points allocations: 2 points to winner

32.3.2. There must be a minimum of 5 South African riders (3 in the Women’s category) present per Elite/Junior category for this to apply. This number is automatically reduced in accordance with the numbers selected if less than five per category.

32.4. 2023 World Championships

32.4.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any rider finishing in the top 25% of the respective category starting field at the previous MTB World Championships.

32.4.1.1. Junior results are subject to the rider still being eligible for the Junior category and cannot be transferred to the Elite Category.

32.5. UCI World Cup Final Run: - (2 points) Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time

32.6. UCI World Cup Semi-final Qualifying Run:

32.6.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who qualifies for a World Cup semi-final within the performance time period will receive a point.

32.7. UCI World Cup Rankings as on the Selection Date 30th June 2024

-32.7.1. Points allocations: 2 points to any Elite or Junior Men or Women rider in the top 10% of the UCI World Cup rankings. 32.8. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 1(EG: IXS Cup events)

32.8.1. Points allocations: 1 point plus, an additional 1 point for a podium result Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.9. UCI Categorized Races: Cat 2 (EG: IXS Cup events) 32.9.1. Points allocations .5 point Elite Men: (a) Have a race time within 105% of the winning race time Elite Women: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the winning race time Junior Men: (a) Have a race time within 110% of the Elite Men’s winning race time Junior Women: (a) Have a race time within 120% of the Elite Women’s winning race time

32.10. IXS Cup Rankings

32.10.1. Points allocations: 1 point to any rider who ranked within the Top 3 of EITHER the IXS European Cup OR IXS Downhill Cup Rankings as of the selection date on 30th June 2024.

 

33. Tier 1: World Championships Selections

33.1. Subject to available national starting positions at the World Championships (inclusive of juniors) , selection criteria shall be based on the principles below taking into consider that if more athletes per category attain the criteria listed than the quota available, priority shall be given to primary, then secondary criteria. The selectors will select the best athletes based on results achieved on a course having similar characteristics and profile to the proposed course for the event.

33.1.1. Additionally, the relevant Selection Panel shall consider any one or more of the following factors to select the best athlete:

33.1.1.1. Any of the result(s) and performance(s) of the athlete at national and/or international competitions, with priority given to results and performances in selection period prior to the applicable Team Selection Date, including a comparison of the athletes at the National Championships.

33.1.1.2. The technical, physical, and mental skills, as well as behavior, of the athlete which are relevant to the nature of the event and the environment of the applicable International Competition to meet team objectives.

33.2. Primary Selections

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

33.2.1.2. Elite Women – Top 10

33.2.1.3. Junior Men – Top 20

33.2.1.4. Junior Women – Top 10

 

33.2.2. Any athlete finishing in a medal position at the most recent World Championships in a Downhill racing event shall be eligible to selection, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

33.2.3. Athletes who qualified for participation in the semi-finals at the recent World Championships, or a World Cup Event held during the selection period shall be considered for Primary Selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy. 33.2.4. A rider who is in the Top 10 of the UCI World Rankings at the time of selection, will be exempt from the requirements for performance criteria.

33.2.5. Riders who have attained a performance profile of seven (7) points, shall be eligible for Primary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.3. Secondary Selection

33.3.1. Athletes who have qualified for semi final at any UCI World Cup during the selection period or for finals at any European or American UCI Class 1 event during the selection period shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy.

33.3.2. Athletes, 25 years and younger, who are on an elite medal trajectory in the next 5 years shall be considered for selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo. These shall include:

33.3.2.1. Elite athletes who have demonstrated through international performances and results the potential to progress toward a result as listed in 33.2.1 at the UCI MTB World Championships within 2 years.

33.3.2.2. Junior athletes who have demonstrated potential to progress towards a result as listed in 33.2.1 at future World Championships.

33.3.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of five (5) points, shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

 

33.4. Tertiary Selection

33.4.1. Athletes not meeting the selection criteria as outlined in clauses 33.2.1, 33.2.2, 33.3.1 or 33.3.2 shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 33.4.2. Athletes who have the potential to be one of the top three ranked South Africans on the UCI DHI individual rankings at the end of 2024 such that their performance at World Championships may assist South Africa’s overall nation ranking.

33.4.3. Riders who have attained a performance profile of three (3) points, shall be considered for tertiary selections on a self-funded basis or as determined by ExBo. 34. Tier 2: African Continental Championships 2024 34.1. If no quota is applied, there will not be selection criteria for the African Continental Championships in 2024, and all licensed riders may participate. In the case that quotas apply, the criteria shall be the same as for the World Championships

 

34.2. Participation in the African Continental Championship will be on a self-funded basis, unless funding is available as determined by ExBo, in which case the criteria as for World Champs will apply.

 

35. Tier 3: Host Nation Team Selection for any MTB World Cup that may be held in SA

35.1. Riders with UCI Points: Those riders who have sufficient UCI points to qualify in terms of UCI rules, will automatically be able to participate.

35.2. The onus is on these riders to inform Cycling SA-MTB of their intention to participate at least 1 month before the World Cup registration day.

35.3. Riders with insufficient UCI points and first-time Juniors [who were Youth in previous year]: 35.3.1. As host nation, SA is allowed to enter 6 riders in teams for the different categories in addition to riders who qualify automatically. These riders shall be ranked according to their performance profile and selected based on these individual rankings.

 

36. Competitive and comparative assessment: If further assessment is required where riders are very close on performances achieved in terms of clause 32 the Selection Panel will also be required to assess performance in terms of results achieved, in the priority order shown, as to:

36.1. Head-to-Head: Where positions are tallied, with the lowest total being the best result

36.2. Podiums: Top 3 positions achieved in selection races, with points 1st=3; 2nd =2; 3rd=1 36.3. Ranking: UCI World ranking followed by RSA ranking

No, it's not. Technically, there are only three medals up for grabs in each class, no ribbons. However, representation matters, especially from a country like SOUTH...

No, it's not. Technically, there are only three medals up for grabs in each class, no ribbons. However, representation matters, especially from a country like SOUTH AFRICA. 

That's a lot of rules to read through and interpret correctly. What i read is that SA can send "6 riders in teams for the different categories in addition to riders who qualify automatically." In the Elite Men's field, outside of GM (who I'm presuming auto-qualifies with his 3rd in Les Gets), are there 5 other riders even trying to go to Worlds from SA? Théo does have at least 2 points for making semi-finals twice this year. Even he was the 5th ranked elite male from SA at the time of selection, that still would have left room on the team for him (if the team was actually full). 

It just seems to me that if someone is already in Europe, and wants to go to the race and represent their country, you figure it out. 

Theo even said in his insta post that he was half a point shy of their selection criteria because of the shortened the selection time frame, and he raced internationally missing two races in South Africa. 7 points where needed to be selected under the primary criteria.

Riders who didn't fill the primary and secondary criteria and are self-funded could have been picked under the tertiary criteria but needed to have the potential to be one of the top three ranked South Africans on the UCI DHI individual rankings at the end of 2024 such that their performance at World Championships may assist South Africa’s overall nation ranking. Theo is currently the 6th ranked rider from South Africa, so unlikely to be ranked in the top 3 come the end of the year.

The secondary criteria focused on results now or future results for under 25 year olds (Theo is 29 years old) and not representation. 

33.3.2. Athletes, 25 years and younger, who are on an elite medal trajectory in the next 5 years shall be considered for selections, subject to achieving the required performance standards set out in this policy shall be eligible for Secondary Selections on a partly funded basis or as determined by ExBo.

33.3.2.1. Elite athletes who have demonstrated through international performances and results the potential to progress toward a result as listed in 33.2.1 at the UCI MTB World Championships within 2 years.

33.2.1. Riders meeting standards and results capable of achieving the following results at the 2024 UCI World Championships.

33.2.1.1. Elite Men – Top 15

Theo is fast but not world class fast, he is likable, has family money and can travel the world riding bikes. Simply having the finances to be in Andorra shouldn't automatically mean you get to race in a world champs.

 

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