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FullSend wrote:
I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.   Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd...

I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.

 

Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd genuinely like to know first, because I don't want Spomer and Team to get in trouble.

leaking info you've been trusted with is lame IMO.

if a brand blows it and doesn't hide their stuff only to get sniped by someone, game on.

big difference to me.

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FullSend wrote:
I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.   Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd...

I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.

 

Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd genuinely like to know first, because I don't want Spomer and Team to get in trouble.

I think a better question would be what rules are YOU supposed to be following? 

 

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FullSend wrote:
I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.   Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd...

I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.

 

Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd genuinely like to know first, because I don't want Spomer and Team to get in trouble.

sspomer wrote:
leaking info you've been trusted with is lame IMO. if a brand blows it and doesn't hide their stuff only to get sniped by someone, game...

leaking info you've been trusted with is lame IMO.

if a brand blows it and doesn't hide their stuff only to get sniped by someone, game on.

big difference to me.

Ok, thanks! These are fair guidelines.

Just to be clear: I'm not affiliated with Specialized or any of their subsidiaries and it's not information I've been trusted with. I definitley only got it because someone at a third party screwed up. But then again, the info still wasn't exactly "out in the open" so to speak. So it's probably best not to treat it as fair game.

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GRM50 wrote:
You can see what I assume is the new Stumpy in Charlie Murrays recent youtube video while he's interviewing Richie at about the 9:30 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBca_Mz84ls

You can see what I assume is the new Stumpy in Charlie Murrays recent youtube video while he's interviewing Richie at about the 9:30 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBca_Mz84ls

Looks like the current stumpy.  Still has the frame cross bar on the other side of the Rear Shock.  

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The most exciting feature delivered with the new EP801 firmware update is the extended assist carryover when the rider stops pedaling. This is a key race advantage…

Now we’re talking! Push this a little farther and we can call the one good, strong kickstart a pedal stroke and give me a few thousand seconds of ‘carryover’. That’ll getcha up the local hill :D

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FullSend wrote:
Ok, thanks! These are fair guidelines. Just to be clear: I'm not affiliated with Specialized or any of their subsidiaries and it's not information I've been...

Ok, thanks! These are fair guidelines.

Just to be clear: I'm not affiliated with Specialized or any of their subsidiaries and it's not information I've been trusted with. I definitley only got it because someone at a third party screwed up. But then again, the info still wasn't exactly "out in the open" so to speak. So it's probably best not to treat it as fair game.

Post away. This is a "Rumors" thread after all and your information should be taken with a grain of salt. It's not like you are leaking the company's quarterly earnings.

It would be fun to see how similar these "rumored" numbers are to the Levo SL gen2.

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FullSend wrote:
I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.   Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd...

I've got the full geometry table for the new Specialized Stumpjumper.

 

Question: Can I post it in here or is that against the rules? I'd genuinely like to know first, because I don't want Spomer and Team to get in trouble.

Post ‘er up! Admin can take it down if they like Smile  

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I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

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That’ll be the Stumpy.

Fair play to Specialized for keeping it out of sight so well

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

Mavens eh? Sounds like sram is running away from Codes as quick as possible. 

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

Seagrave7 wrote:

I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool to see a frame manufacturer working in tandem with a company like Fox to push innovation in a meaningful way (beyond electronic gnomes spinning compression dials). 

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

If it is the SJ, I wonder if it’s the S-Works spec? Mavens and a proprietary shock doesn’t sound particularly entry level or even mid spec range. I hope I’m wrong though! If it is the S-works, hopefully you don’t have to have perfect teeth to afford it…

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

Seagrave7 wrote:
jalopyj wrote:
I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool...

I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool to see a frame manufacturer working in tandem with a company like Fox to push innovation in a meaningful way (beyond electronic gnomes spinning compression dials). 

Like Fox Brain or Reaktiv? Not really excited for a bike coming with a special shock. The past shown it was never a way to go. What a bummer if true.

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jalopyj wrote:
I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool...

I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool to see a frame manufacturer working in tandem with a company like Fox to push innovation in a meaningful way (beyond electronic gnomes spinning compression dials). 

Bigger companies working with proprietary shocks is historically not awesome.

 

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

Vitus specified inline shocks on its most recent Escarpe, which developed 140 mm from a 65 mm stroke.  By many accounts it worked pretty well because of the unusually low average leverage rate.  Similar situation?

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metadave wrote:
I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline...

I have an unreleased 140/150mm bike in the shop that comes stock with a Fox 36 and Mavens type build kit with a completely new inline fox shock with the bike manufacturers logo on it and a HUGE air can. It's very strange to see an inline shock on a build like this so I'm interested in whats going on with it. Apparently next week we'll know. 

It kind of looks like an RP23 with a high volume air can but 1.5x the size 

DServy wrote:

Mavens eh? Sounds like sram is running away from Codes as quick as possible. 

next year the g2 will be the cross country, codes for trail, maven for enduro and dh

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MJN wrote:
If it is the SJ, I wonder if it’s the S-Works spec? Mavens and a proprietary shock doesn’t sound particularly entry level or even mid spec...

If it is the SJ, I wonder if it’s the S-Works spec? Mavens and a proprietary shock doesn’t sound particularly entry level or even mid spec range. I hope I’m wrong though! If it is the S-works, hopefully you don’t have to have perfect teeth to afford it…

Doesn't have to be S tier build to have proprietary suspension. Take the Trek Supercaliber or Specialized Epic WC for example. They just omit the kashima coating and fancy components on cheaper builds. 

Regardless, less stoked to hear that Specialized might be going back to proprietary suspension. It is highly unlikely that Fox is releasing another shock in their newly revised lineup (Float SL, Float, Float X). It sounds like this new stumpy would be using a modified version of the new Float. 

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jalopyj wrote:
I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool...

I think the shock was also hinted at in the most recent podcast between specialized and PB. Really curious about how it performs and pretty cool to see a frame manufacturer working in tandem with a company like Fox to push innovation in a meaningful way (beyond electronic gnomes spinning compression dials). 

you mean like what cannondale did with fox on their dyad pull shocks and what scott is doing for years (also with fox) on their nude shocks? how did that turn out?

those shocks were/are hot garbage compared to normal shocks.

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MJN wrote:
If it is the SJ, I wonder if it’s the S-Works spec? Mavens and a proprietary shock doesn’t sound particularly entry level or even mid spec...

If it is the SJ, I wonder if it’s the S-Works spec? Mavens and a proprietary shock doesn’t sound particularly entry level or even mid spec range. I hope I’m wrong though! If it is the S-works, hopefully you don’t have to have perfect teeth to afford it…

sprungmass wrote:
Doesn't have to be S tier build to have proprietary suspension. Take the Trek Supercaliber or Specialized Epic WC for example. They just omit the kashima...

Doesn't have to be S tier build to have proprietary suspension. Take the Trek Supercaliber or Specialized Epic WC for example. They just omit the kashima coating and fancy components on cheaper builds. 

Regardless, less stoked to hear that Specialized might be going back to proprietary suspension. It is highly unlikely that Fox is releasing another shock in their newly revised lineup (Float SL, Float, Float X). It sounds like this new stumpy would be using a modified version of the new Float. 

maybe they're trying to have a strong enough shock that doesn't fail with the yoke, considering what happened when they put their hands into a shock ( autosag ) it's gonna be a hot piece of shit most likely 

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I got a Float X with the Gemini air sleeve that Cannondale used for a while for my Bird. A remote controls a valve between the main chamber and the sleeve.
Could be that my bike was just too progressive even for the full volume as the difference was pretty negligable so I just put a standard HV air can on it.

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6/28/2024 6:22am
Primoz wrote:
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano...

There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano ease of bleeding...

First time i hear or read about a 6-pot Saint - must have missed it here! Doubt it as all others keep making 4-pots with immense power - a 6-potter will be quite heavy compared to others!

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