2025 Race Talk

Jotegr
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1/14/2025 3:17pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 3:18pm
lawn dart wrote:
I've got a solution to this whole mess:Rachel Atherton:  please announce that you are seeking entry into the first UCI Downhill World Cup at Bielsko Biala...

I've got a solution to this whole mess:

Rachel Atherton:  please announce that you are seeking entry into the first UCI Downhill World Cup at Bielsko Biala.  

Currently, Continental Atherton has 619 points and is on the bubble.  But with Kolb off to another team, they don't get to keep those points, right?  Right?  Do Charlie Hatton's points get Rachel in?

I'm not sure I'm right with what I'm proposing here--but if I am, and Atherton Racing isn't eligible--I'd love to see Chris Ball explain why Rachel Atherton is not allowed to race.

There's no reality where Rachel Atherton doesn't get to race with the exception of something like not getting her paperwork done in time. If it's known she wants to go between the tape, her team is either an instant lock for a wildcard entry or GB is putting her in. No question. 

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sspomer wrote:
2025 Monster Pro Downhill Series Schedule is here - note that big bear is also national champs. boosh!PDS 1: Apr 3 - 6 at Ride Rock...

2025 Monster Pro Downhill Series Schedule is here - note that big bear is also national champs. boosh!

PDS 1: Apr 3 - 6 at Ride Rock Creek, NC
PDS 2: May 8 - 11 at Mountain Creek Bike Park, NJ
PDS 3: Jul 24 - 27 at Solitude Mountain Resort, UT
PDS 4: Jul 31 - Aug 3 at Big Bear Lake, CA (USAC National Championship)
PDS 5: Sep 25 - 28 at Killington Resort, VT (Fox US OPEN of Mountain Biking)

official PR below

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2025 SCHEDULE ANNOUNCED FOR MONSTER ENERGY PRO DOWNHILL SERIES
presented by Continental Tires
December 23rd, 2024 (USA) – The 2025 Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series schedule was announced today. The Official US National Mountain Bike Championship will consist of five races in 2025, including the Fox US OPEN of Mountain Biking at Killington Resort, VT and the USA Cycling Gravity National Championship in Big Bear Lake, CA. The series features an international field of pro and amateur racing, with athletes competing for the men’s and women’s overall titles.

“The 2024 season of Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series exceeded expectations on many levels and we’re going to continue with that momentum in 2025. Expanding the series to Utah has been a goal since day one, so we are thrilled to be working with Solitude Mountain Resort, our newest venue partner. Additionally, we’re proud to continue developing our relationship with USA Cycling, as the Gravity National Championship race becomes part of the Pro Downhill Series - hosted at Round #4 in the iconic MTB town of Big Bear Lake, CA. I feel confident that downhill athletes and fans will be stoked with the ’25 schedule, whether attending events or following along with our growing YouTube race coverage” – Clay Harper, Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series Director

For the second season, the Pro Downhill Series will again kick off at Ride Rock Creek, Neko Mulally’s bike park in North Carolina. The action heads to Mountain Creek Bike Park in New Jersey for Round #2, known as one of the longest standing national race venues in the country. Round #3 will be the highly anticipated, all-new Pro Downhill Series race at Solitude Mountain Resort. For the final two rounds of 2025, the series then returns to Snow Summit in Big Bear Lake, where the event will serve as Round #4 of the Pro Downhill Series and the USA Cycling National Championship event for Downhill and Dual Slalom. Round #5, the series finale, will take place at the Fox US OPEN in Killington, Vermont and crown the overall champions. 

The Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series presented by Continental Tires, will be sanctioned as the Official USA Cycling National Downhill Series. Organizers are working with USA Cycling to finalize all sanctioning details and UCI Continental Series distinction for Pro Downhill Series Round #1 at Ride Rock Creek in April. More event information and athlete registration details will be released.

2025 Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series presented by Continental Tires (PDS):
PDS 1: Apr 3 - 6 at Ride Rock Creek, NC
PDS 2: May 8 - 11 at Mountain Creek Bike Park, NJ
PDS 3: Jul 24 - 27 at Solitude Mountain Resort, UT
PDS 4: Jul 31 - Aug 3 at Big Bear Lake, CA (USAC National Championship)
PDS 5: Sep 25 - 28 at Killington Resort, VT (Fox US OPEN of Mountain Biking)

Follow the Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series at:
https://www.instagram.com/prodownhillseries/
www.prodownhillseries.com

About Pro Downhill Series:
Born from the Fox US OPEN of Mountain Biking and with the support of key partners, we are excited to launch the Monster Energy Pro Downhill Series in 2024. This series features both professional and amateur level downhill mountain bike racing across the United States. All races are fully sanctioned, and the series is recognized as the Official USA Cycling National Downhill Series. Please visit www.prodownhillseries.com

About Monster Energy:
Based in Corona, California, Monster Energy is the leading marketer of energy drinks and alternative beverages. Refusing to acknowledge the
traditional, Monster Energy supports the scene and sport. Whether motocross, off-road, NASCAR, MMA, BMX, surf, snowboard, ski, skateboard, or the rock and roll lifestyle, Monster Energy is a brand that believes in authenticity and the core of what its sports, athletes, and musicians represent. More than a drink, it’s the way of life lived by athletes, sports, bands, believers, and fans. See more about Monster Energy including all of its drinks at www.monsterenergy.com.

Can anyone confirm a rumor I heard (MTB legend in San Diego) that Snow Summit has little to no Snow and could potentially open the bike...

Can anyone confirm a rumor I heard (MTB legend in San Diego) that Snow Summit has little to no Snow and could potentially open the bike park now, few trails? I mean, he could be stretching the truth, and maybe Summit gets a late winter, but, i hope they got the sprinklers running at Summit this summer. Regardless, I gotta think this is the first time a one day national champs has been in Big Bear? pretty cool.

mfoga wrote:
There is not a lot of snow but absolutely now way they would close a lift for winter operations to open the bike park.  With where...

There is not a lot of snow but absolutely now way they would close a lift for winter operations to open the bike park.  With where they have blown snow they could open 2 trails.  Westridge and 10 ply but again they have to close one of two main lift to even try that.  The potential class action lawsuit would be enough to keep them doing so. 

Snow Valley?  That would make way more sense as they have even less open.  They chairlift used for bike park is closed right now.  There would still be some issues but it’s the closest to even being realistic.

More terrain opening so yeah 1000% no.😂

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1/15/2025 8:07am
lawn dart wrote:
I've got a solution to this whole mess:Rachel Atherton:  please announce that you are seeking entry into the first UCI Downhill World Cup at Bielsko Biala...

I've got a solution to this whole mess:

Rachel Atherton:  please announce that you are seeking entry into the first UCI Downhill World Cup at Bielsko Biala.  

Currently, Continental Atherton has 619 points and is on the bubble.  But with Kolb off to another team, they don't get to keep those points, right?  Right?  Do Charlie Hatton's points get Rachel in?

I'm not sure I'm right with what I'm proposing here--but if I am, and Atherton Racing isn't eligible--I'd love to see Chris Ball explain why Rachel Atherton is not allowed to race.

Jotegr wrote:
There's no reality where Rachel Atherton doesn't get to race with the exception of something like not getting her paperwork done in time. If it's known...

There's no reality where Rachel Atherton doesn't get to race with the exception of something like not getting her paperwork done in time. If it's known she wants to go between the tape, her team is either an instant lock for a wildcard entry or GB is putting her in. No question. 

I'm just pointing-out the absurdity of the current rule-system--that the most dominant World Cup Downhiller ever wouldn't be permitted to enter under current rules.  It would probably be more to-the-point to say Rachel wants to race in the second or third race, after the 5 alternates have already been determined (assuming Atherton isn't one of them).  Is it just expected that the existing rules won't apply to such a rider?  What about Gwin?  21 World Cup wins should make you eligible, don't you think?  What if Amaurry had been up for contract this year, and hadn't raced last year?  He'd have had no points and been considerably less valuable (on paper) than riders who can't finish within 10 seconds of him.

The rules are deeply flawed, and the fact that the UCI and Ball aren't even bothering defending them, speaks volumes. 

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1/15/2025 8:18am
lawn dart wrote:
I'm just pointing-out the absurdity of the current rule-system--that the most dominant World Cup Downhiller ever wouldn't be permitted to enter under current rules.  It would...

I'm just pointing-out the absurdity of the current rule-system--that the most dominant World Cup Downhiller ever wouldn't be permitted to enter under current rules.  It would probably be more to-the-point to say Rachel wants to race in the second or third race, after the 5 alternates have already been determined (assuming Atherton isn't one of them).  Is it just expected that the existing rules won't apply to such a rider?  What about Gwin?  21 World Cup wins should make you eligible, don't you think?  What if Amaurry had been up for contract this year, and hadn't raced last year?  He'd have had no points and been considerably less valuable (on paper) than riders who can't finish within 10 seconds of him.

The rules are deeply flawed, and the fact that the UCI and Ball aren't even bothering defending them, speaks volumes. 

There's 8 more wildcard team entries per race plus 3 more national cyling federation entries. Also pretty sure every single person you mentioned Rachel/Gwin/Amaurry can race if they wanted to given their status. Now I don't agree with some of the rules too, but at least try reading them? 

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1/15/2025 10:33am
lawn dart wrote:
I'm just pointing-out the absurdity of the current rule-system--that the most dominant World Cup Downhiller ever wouldn't be permitted to enter under current rules.  It would...

I'm just pointing-out the absurdity of the current rule-system--that the most dominant World Cup Downhiller ever wouldn't be permitted to enter under current rules.  It would probably be more to-the-point to say Rachel wants to race in the second or third race, after the 5 alternates have already been determined (assuming Atherton isn't one of them).  Is it just expected that the existing rules won't apply to such a rider?  What about Gwin?  21 World Cup wins should make you eligible, don't you think?  What if Amaurry had been up for contract this year, and hadn't raced last year?  He'd have had no points and been considerably less valuable (on paper) than riders who can't finish within 10 seconds of him.

The rules are deeply flawed, and the fact that the UCI and Ball aren't even bothering defending them, speaks volumes. 

amaranth wrote:
There's 8 more wildcard team entries per race plus 3 more national cyling federation entries. Also pretty sure every single person you mentioned Rachel/Gwin/Amaurry can race...

There's 8 more wildcard team entries per race plus 3 more national cyling federation entries. Also pretty sure every single person you mentioned Rachel/Gwin/Amaurry can race if they wanted to given their status. Now I don't agree with some of the rules too, but at least try reading them? 

You're right.  I've only read the summary from the other site.  It will all shake-out, I guess.  And given that it's the first year, I hope there are significant exemptions for outstanding riders until people get settled.  This is the only sport I follow...so I'm pretty passionate about fairness for the top riders, regardless of their team status. 

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I don't want to be a WB/Chis Ball/UCI apologist (you guys have already accused other users of being UCI plants in this thread), but can we compare the qualification criteria before the changes to what lawn dart and others are seemingly up in arms about now, in particular with reference to Rachel Atherton? Like, what was her path to race after a few years off under the previous system? Win a bunch of regional races and she's in? Functionally, is the current system harder than whatever she had to do before? 

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I think that is  just confirming that the edr is the first weekend and dh is the second weekend. It was in the calendar as a two weekend block of racing.

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Jotegr wrote:
I don't want to be a WB/Chis Ball/UCI apologist (you guys have already accused other users of being UCI plants in this thread), but can we...

I don't want to be a WB/Chis Ball/UCI apologist (you guys have already accused other users of being UCI plants in this thread), but can we compare the qualification criteria before the changes to what lawn dart and others are seemingly up in arms about now, in particular with reference to Rachel Atherton? Like, what was her path to race after a few years off under the previous system? Win a bunch of regional races and she's in? Functionally, is the current system harder than whatever she had to do before? 

imho 40 uci points to race?

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Jotegr wrote:
I don't want to be a WB/Chis Ball/UCI apologist (you guys have already accused other users of being UCI plants in this thread), but can we...

I don't want to be a WB/Chis Ball/UCI apologist (you guys have already accused other users of being UCI plants in this thread), but can we compare the qualification criteria before the changes to what lawn dart and others are seemingly up in arms about now, in particular with reference to Rachel Atherton? Like, what was her path to race after a few years off under the previous system? Win a bunch of regional races and she's in? Functionally, is the current system harder than whatever she had to do before? 

sethimus wrote:

imho 40 uci points to race?

There’s something  that says  “- Profile of any individual riders” as a qualification to race. That should cover Rachel, Gwin etc 
It’s still problematic because afaik those profile characteristics aren’t defined so it’s basically what ESO decides…

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dolface wrote:
There’s something  that says  “- Profile of any individual riders” as a qualification to race. That should cover Rachel, Gwin etc It’s still problematic because afaik those...

There’s something  that says  “- Profile of any individual riders” as a qualification to race. That should cover Rachel, Gwin etc 
It’s still problematic because afaik those profile characteristics aren’t defined so it’s basically what ESO decides…

The whole thing seems to me to be just asking for corruption to occur.
Well it's the UCI, so feature or a bug?

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