2024 TEAM RUMORS

10/9/2023 5:20am
• I think we are gonna see some big changes happen at Trek Factory Racing for next year for XC, Enduro and DH. • GT bicycles...

• I think we are gonna see some big changes happen at Trek Factory Racing for next year for XC, Enduro and DH.

• GT bicycles ends their factory race DH program but Wyn Masters has been secretly in the back rooms working on keeping the riders on the same team with GT being just the frame supplier. The team continues a Privateer help system which helps get more sponsors involved for the team as they want that good PR.

 

18LifeToGo wrote:
Why would they bother with GT if GT isn't paying? Those frames are a nightmare. Just go get frames from anyone. Buy them if they need...

Why would they bother with GT if GT isn't paying? Those frames are a nightmare. Just go get frames from anyone. Buy them if they need to. If GT isn't dropping cash. I doubt there will be anyone riding those. GT wants to sell bikes to walmart not bike shops. 

You have worked on the new DH frame? What makes them a nightmare?

Interested to hear the reply. From the outside it looks like GT made those frames with 148 rear ends specifically to make things easier for privateers.

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10/9/2023 5:30am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2023 5:31am
NJPA Rider wrote:

I definitely don't believe it. Laurie and Jackson were tight all season while Greg did his own thing. 

rustle wrote:
I’m just relaying what I saw on the live feed and how it looked to me. Did you watch the end of the race on the...

I’m just relaying what I saw on the live feed and how it looked to me. Did you watch the end of the race on the feed? 

kiisseli wrote:
Laurie was one of the first there rustling with the personel jumping around celebrating when Jackson had just finished his run. Syndicate coat, Syndicate shirt, Red...

Laurie was one of the first there rustling with the personel jumping around celebrating when Jackson had just finished his run. Syndicate coat, Syndicate shirt, Red Bull cap. Just rewatched the end. To me it did not appear that there'd be anything. After Bruni's interview Jackson was hugging Minnaar, Brosnan etc and there was probably what could be thought of ghosting.

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

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bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

Photogs at Les Getz this and last year mentioned they where pushed over with tens of thousands of $$ of kit damaged in the stampede to the finish line. 

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10/9/2023 6:13am

Seems like this year more than ever there are some names that were on smaller deals that have really ramped up as consistent contenders this year and should be getting big pay raises or a new team if not. Kolb, Dak, Ronan all have made big steps on being consistently fast which I think is a priority for these teams.  

DH is cool because all the racers and it seems team mates are all so close compared to like Supercross team mates but also seems like that makes thing a little bit sticky when things get rocky with either disagreements or feeling underpaid/under prioritized on the team. 

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I don’t really get teams like GT and intense dropping their race teams. Racing is about the only good marketing those companies have. It’s not like...

I don’t really get teams like GT and intense dropping their race teams. Racing is about the only good marketing those companies have. It’s not like they are doing cool stuff in other realms of MTB (minus brage riding a GT). Maybe they are just REALLY hurting cash wise. If not, i hope they have a really good marketing plan for how to use that money that was going to the race team, cause if it weren’t for downhill, i would Never know anything about what’s going on with those two particular brands. 

For GT and Intense in specific, I think Hans Rey still provides a lot of good exposure for GT and Intense seems to do very well marketing to the off-road motorsports market in North America. That being said, I'd be surprised if Intense and IFR split with how important racing is to Jeff Steber. I'd be less surprised if GT left since they're under the PON umbrella, as a couple other people have mentioned already, and it would make more sense to position Santa Cruz as the premium racing brand of PON in my opinion.

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I'm stoked to see where Craik and Pinky end up.  Would love to see Wyn and co put together a sponsor package where they can keep GT as the bike sponsor/provider.  For instance a "Monster Energy GT Racing" team or "Snickers GT Racing".

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just posted interviews from MSA and some interesting things said in there. danny says he hasn't signed a contract yet, jordi says FOX is a big company and their budget is made. calendar specifics are unknown and if he needs more money to race, that may be difficult, wyn mentions spending time in USA, gwin mentions things announced in the next month or so. good stuff from the ground.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/year-later-world-cup-downhill-racing-…

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sharpy212 wrote:

Kade not allowed to ride because of sponsors issues!? what that all about? 
 

He said that while what I would say was purposely  wearing all the redbull gear he could find.... I think Kade and Trek are done

It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used a borrowed Fox helmet in MSA.

Trek Factory racing is sponsored by 100%, so there you go.

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10/9/2023 11:08am
sharpy212 wrote:

Kade not allowed to ride because of sponsors issues!? what that all about? 
 

He said that while what I would say was purposely  wearing all the redbull gear he could find.... I think Kade and Trek are done

RedBaron82 wrote:
It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used...

It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used a borrowed Fox helmet in MSA.

Trek Factory racing is sponsored by 100%, so there you go.

Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a Red Bull helmet that fit for MSA. Would be enough to get "banned" by Trek to appease a team sponsor?

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Seemingly not running Pirelli tyres in Snowshoe might have had something to do with it. 

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I’m going to guess young talent pick up some established talent  new Ms team MS intense? With a change up on riders a rider leaves the...

I’m going to guess

young talent pick up some established talent 

new Ms team MS intense? With a change up on riders

a rider leaves the syndicate but one doesn’t retire

Craic to cube or Scott 

Trek pick up 2 female riders
riders in both categories without points don’t return to race World Cup ESO plans worked out a treat to cut the dead wood. If you don’t qualify you shouldn’t be there if you have 0 points

all in the name of TV coverage. 
basically every race in Europe except for some XC


 

 

Vali back on YT. Id like that! Probably with a better deal than she had on the table when she left for TREK Tongue  

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10/9/2023 12:01pm

Swapping out RedBull helmets that aren't even visibly logo-ed with the helmet brand is nothing to Trek. Doubt they care in the slightest. 

And the Pirelli tire thing...his mechanic is responsible for blacking out tire logos.  Nothing Kade could do in the pits to intentionally run a logo-ed up tire. Mechanic is responsible for rubber & if needed to black out, he/she would.

Trek would have refused the video interview if they didn't want the G5 logos displayed. 

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10/9/2023 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2023 12:50pm

He said that while what I would say was purposely  wearing all the redbull gear he could find.... I think Kade and Trek are done

RedBaron82 wrote:
It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used...

It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used a borrowed Fox helmet in MSA.

Trek Factory racing is sponsored by 100%, so there you go.

3971 wrote:
Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a...

Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a Red Bull helmet that fit for MSA. Would be enough to get "banned" by Trek to appease a team sponsor?

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Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets? 

Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either race in a plain helmet / wrong brand helmet. I doubt it was a Trek thing and more of a personal contract issue. 

If I'm not mistaken Kade is also the only rider on the WC circuit on Red Bull and 100%, so no one else to borrow from. 

Bummer we didn't get to see a run from him.

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10/9/2023 12:55pm
sharpy212 wrote:

Seemingly not running Pirelli tyres in Snowshoe might have had something to do with it. 

Incorrect. 

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Weird he would not have a spare given the resources that team has, and weird to wait for finals day if it was indeed a team mandate. 

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Weird he would not have a spare given the resources that team has, and weird to wait for finals day if it was indeed a team...

Weird he would not have a spare given the resources that team has, and weird to wait for finals day if it was indeed a team mandate. 

I'm sure he had spares he just crashed in them in Snowshoe... its a good thing concussion protocols are getting better and people aren't running helmets that have sustained an impact. 

If i had to guess riding practice didn't violate contracts but racing would have? 

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SnusDog wrote:
Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets?  Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either...

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Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets? 

Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either race in a plain helmet / wrong brand helmet. I doubt it was a Trek thing and more of a personal contract issue. 

If I'm not mistaken Kade is also the only rider on the WC circuit on Red Bull and 100%, so no one else to borrow from. 

Bummer we didn't get to see a run from him.

You can see on photos from training that there is "Boost Bro" written on the back of the helmet, so it looks like one from Jackson.

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18LifeToGo wrote:
Why would they bother with GT if GT isn't paying? Those frames are a nightmare. Just go get frames from anyone. Buy them if they need...

Why would they bother with GT if GT isn't paying? Those frames are a nightmare. Just go get frames from anyone. Buy them if they need to. If GT isn't dropping cash. I doubt there will be anyone riding those. GT wants to sell bikes to walmart not bike shops. 

You have worked on the new DH frame? What makes them a nightmare?

Interested to hear the reply. From the outside it looks like GT made those frames with 148 rear ends specifically to make things easier for privateers.

I have one and love it. It was easy to build and rides fantastic. It does have 148 rear and that makes me happy also. 

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RedBaron82 wrote:
It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used...

It looks like there was some sponsor issue with his helmet brand (info from a german forum). Kade rode a 100% helmet until Snowshow but used a borrowed Fox helmet in MSA.

Trek Factory racing is sponsored by 100%, so there you go.

3971 wrote:
Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a...

Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a Red Bull helmet that fit for MSA. Would be enough to get "banned" by Trek to appease a team sponsor?

SnusDog wrote:
Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets?  Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either...

Screen Shot 2023-10-09 at 12.39.03 PM

Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets? 

Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either race in a plain helmet / wrong brand helmet. I doubt it was a Trek thing and more of a personal contract issue. 

If I'm not mistaken Kade is also the only rider on the WC circuit on Red Bull and 100%, so no one else to borrow from. 

Bummer we didn't get to see a run from him.

Loic is 100% helmet and Red Bull. 

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3971 wrote:
Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a...

Didn't Kade get a concussion in MSA. Maybe his 100% helmet was a write off, and didn't have a backup in North America, so borrowed a Red Bull helmet that fit for MSA. Would be enough to get "banned" by Trek to appease a team sponsor?

SnusDog wrote:
Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets?  Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either...

Screen Shot 2023-10-09 at 12.39.03 PM

Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets? 

Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either race in a plain helmet / wrong brand helmet. I doubt it was a Trek thing and more of a personal contract issue. 

If I'm not mistaken Kade is also the only rider on the WC circuit on Red Bull and 100%, so no one else to borrow from. 

Bummer we didn't get to see a run from him.

One Ghost wrote:

Loic is 100% helmet and Red Bull. 

Nah Loic uses the new specialized helmet..100% is just his goggle sponsorship. 

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10/9/2023 1:56pm
SnusDog wrote:
Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets?  Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either...

Screen Shot 2023-10-09 at 12.39.03 PM

Yep, RPC in practice, cant tell maybe one of Laurie's or Jacksons helmets? 

Probably would breach either a 100% or a Red Bull contract to either race in a plain helmet / wrong brand helmet. I doubt it was a Trek thing and more of a personal contract issue. 

If I'm not mistaken Kade is also the only rider on the WC circuit on Red Bull and 100%, so no one else to borrow from. 

Bummer we didn't get to see a run from him.

One Ghost wrote:

Loic is 100% helmet and Red Bull. 

sharpy212 wrote:

Nah Loic uses the new specialized helmet..100% is just his goggle sponsorship. 

word, I didn't know he changed.

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Kade is preternaturally talented and loves riding his bike but he does'nt have the racers mindset (a lot like Bryceland).
He also hates training.
His original contract with Trek did'nt actually specify racing, but he could do events as he pleased. I suspect that may have changed (it's been a while since I last talked to him) and he is quite vocal when he's not happy!
He knows his worth in media coverage and does well with RB so he won't struggle to find a less corporate home for his talents.

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10/9/2023 2:03pm
bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or damaged. Not my favorite venue to be honest. One guy tried to steal my wheelbag on the way to qualies and I almost crashed my rider's training bike super hard. I had to rip my wheelbag out of his hand. Had the trainer on one side of the handlebar and the bag on the other.

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10/9/2023 2:27pm
bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

Sugarbrad wrote:
They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or...

They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or damaged. Not my favorite venue to be honest. One guy tried to steal my wheelbag on the way to qualies and I almost crashed my rider's training bike super hard. I had to rip my wheelbag out of his hand. Had the trainer on one side of the handlebar and the bag on the other.

I love Quebec but you need to protect your valuables big time up there.  No matter where you are in the province.  

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Kade is preternaturally talented and loves riding his bike but he does'nt have the racers mindset (a lot like Bryceland). He also hates training. His original...

Kade is preternaturally talented and loves riding his bike but he does'nt have the racers mindset (a lot like Bryceland).
He also hates training.
His original contract with Trek did'nt actually specify racing, but he could do events as he pleased. I suspect that may have changed (it's been a while since I last talked to him) and he is quite vocal when he's not happy!
He knows his worth in media coverage and does well with RB so he won't struggle to find a less corporate home for his talents.

I couldn't help but notice he was in his RB helmet and jacket on WynTV. No Trek logos in sight.

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10/9/2023 5:32pm
bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

Sugarbrad wrote:
They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or...

They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or damaged. Not my favorite venue to be honest. One guy tried to steal my wheelbag on the way to qualies and I almost crashed my rider's training bike super hard. I had to rip my wheelbag out of his hand. Had the trainer on one side of the handlebar and the bag on the other.

Conkey wrote:

I love Quebec but you need to protect your valuables big time up there.  No matter where you are in the province.  

Destroying the venue and race teams setups and stealing all their valuables sounds like some great humans.

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10/9/2023 6:33pm
Weird he would not have a spare given the resources that team has, and weird to wait for finals day if it was indeed a team...

Weird he would not have a spare given the resources that team has, and weird to wait for finals day if it was indeed a team mandate. 

SnusDog wrote:
I'm sure he had spares he just crashed in them in Snowshoe... its a good thing concussion protocols are getting better and people aren't running helmets...

I'm sure he had spares he just crashed in them in Snowshoe... its a good thing concussion protocols are getting better and people aren't running helmets that have sustained an impact. 

If i had to guess riding practice didn't violate contracts but racing would have? 

Obviously, it depends on the contract, but I'd put better odds on there being zero leniency for him not being on/in the right equipment anywhere at a race site.

As it's been said, TFR has a lot of resources, so getting a sponsor-correct helmet probably wouldn't have been that hard with their obligation to 100%. Redbull was "probably" but definitely possibly not okay with things. You'd imagine that in an extreme situation, a plain helmet with RB logos would suffice for them.

Sponsor obligations are a lot less forgiving than you'd think. It's one thing to be using/trying something away from cameras but at a race venue filled with cameras....  

It may not sound like the "fairest" of situations and people may want to say things like "Why can't TFR or whoever just be cool about this," but it's called being sponsored. 

Now, if there's a safety issue or a loss of confidence in the product, it creates a whole other debate about sponsor obligations. 

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bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

Sugarbrad wrote:
They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or...

They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or damaged. Not my favorite venue to be honest. One guy tried to steal my wheelbag on the way to qualies and I almost crashed my rider's training bike super hard. I had to rip my wheelbag out of his hand. Had the trainer on one side of the handlebar and the bag on the other.

Conkey wrote:

I love Quebec but you need to protect your valuables big time up there.  No matter where you are in the province.  

I genuinely hope everyone’s feelings get enough time to heal during the off-season… was there for the race, did not notice much except the jackass that went on the last jump a few seconds before Jackson showed up. As for the theft issue,  i hope police got informed (otherwise it never happened, right?) and i would like to remind you that the Union team got all their bikes stolen at Fort Will in 2022. Locking your stuff might be a safer approach here but the good thing here is you won’t get jumped by weirdos carrying weapon of any types in the area, which unfortunately cannot be said about other countries south of us or even overseas 🤷‍♂️ Peace out and hope to see you back at MSA, a venue offering a « proper DH track » as every athlete said during the week! ✌️

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bizutch wrote:
Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers &...

Per popular media working the event...the crowd of French Canadians was impossible to navigate vs actual French who were respectful & knowledgeable of the racers & media alike.

I'm just gonna assume that the spectators made those celebratory moments oddly and rudely uncomfortable.  
Especially considering that jackass literally rushing on track at the finish while Jackson is coming through the lower rocks & having to be stopped.

Maybe that's happened at a World Cup before, but literally the closest to catastrophe I've seen in a while.
 

Sugarbrad wrote:
They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or...

They absolutely destroyed the pits that night...we had locked literally everything inside but there was still trash everywhere. Lots of teams had stuff stolen and or damaged. Not my favorite venue to be honest. One guy tried to steal my wheelbag on the way to qualies and I almost crashed my rider's training bike super hard. I had to rip my wheelbag out of his hand. Had the trainer on one side of the handlebar and the bag on the other.

Conkey wrote:

I love Quebec but you need to protect your valuables big time up there.  No matter where you are in the province.  

Full of shit. I’ve lived here my whole life. I barely ever lock my front door. 

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One Ghost wrote:

Loic is 100% helmet and Red Bull. 

Bruni wears a Specialized helmet. He hasn't worn a 100% helmet since 2016/17

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