The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by the time we see the full bike) and also mostly superseded by the new Float X now for OEM spec. Which, to me, suggests somebody pulled out a previous model-year frame (leftover stock, or maybe unused warranty stock) to get him rolling on a bike as quickly as possible. Curious to see what it turns out to be.
My guess on Strait is Commencal. Their trail bikes have the high horizontal shock, and they also make DH bikes.
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and how he hadn't vibed with Commencal. But could be totally off in my memory..
I imagine that the $400k goes pretty quick when you consider all the flights, hotels, food, transportation rentals, entry fees, etc. Then there are salaries paid...
I imagine that the $400k goes pretty quick when you consider all the flights, hotels, food, transportation rentals, entry fees, etc. Then there are salaries paid to a lot more than just the riders, there's the mechanics and manager too.
Back in 2022 it was $12,000 for team entry, but I'm not sure if that includes costs for each event or not.
If I had to guess, they probably spend somewhere close to $8k-$10k per event, not including salaries.
I really thought the budget would have been substantially more than 400k USD
like you said, travel, accommodation etc etc physio person, all the other salaries
I really thought the budget would have been substantially more than 400k USD
like you said, travel, accommodation etc etc physio person, all the other salaries ...
I really thought the budget would have been substantially more than 400k USD
like you said, travel, accommodation etc etc physio person, all the other salaries
He mentioned that someone here guessed a budget of $1M and said that it looked great, he just needed to figure out where to get the $1M
Mentioning both the real and false trail names verbatim together in this thread raises the page’s SEO and makes the page more findable for those searching...
Mentioning both the real and false trail names verbatim together in this thread raises the page’s SEO and makes the page more findable for those searching either name. It also negates the purpose of the false trail name.
Just because the location is an open secret doesn’t mean it should be even more obvious. If you really want to ride the trail, you can find it, but putting in effort to discover it forces you to understand the level of obfuscation required to keep a trail like this from getting dozed.
At the dawn of Trailforks people were putting all kinds of secrets on the map. Many got taken off quickly, but the first year or so was insanely indescreet.
Anyways- this is team rumors not trail rumors!
Too true.
All the YouTuber trail narcs & Strava KOM lorders have to brag to the world for the clicks.
Even if a team rig rolls up...without the narcs, you'd still have to find it, test it out and do work to get to and from.
DH trails are dead now though. "Trinidad" and all the others are now the domain of the SurRon urban vape douches and their next IG reel featuring ASAP Rocky and their comments to outraged locals of "you seem turnt bruh. chill"
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I’d guess frames come out of Framworks-the-business’s budget, not Framworks-the-team’s. They have 2 mechanics iirc from the podcast and I’d bet if anyone’s getting stiffed on salary it’s Neko…
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average...
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average...
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
TF. He deleted the post, and as mentioned prodigiously, it is only the second-worst secret behind what team "Freckles" Norton is riding for now. No need...
TF. He deleted the post, and as mentioned prodigiously, it is only the second-worst secret behind what team "Freckles" Norton is riding for now. No need to shit all over a guy.
I give people a hard time. They give me a hard time. Guy stuff.
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average...
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
I don't know current salary structure but even over a decade ago in slalom's prime, a buddy was offered $30k yr from Iron Horse to race Dual Slalom for a year and free equipment. He turned it down b/c they HAD to run GripShift. Sram had no thumb shifters.
It was a good move on his part. Seems happy these days and still involved in the industry & got to avoid a possible Wade Bootes administrated first turn collarbone take out or three.
New gt race team in nz, riders yet to be officially announced but i know who two of them are. Bit of a development team to get riders prepared for the future
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working...
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I imagine neko is paying his staff well. But some world cup teams still pay staff peanuts. With weird mixes of day rates, product, bikes etc... it's pretty low brow as far as I know
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as...
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf...
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
I agree 100%. Ride and race for the enjoyment and the time with your kids. But sometimes it works out and its just a bonus on top of all the great time and learning you do with your kid.
Was my first thought.. Outline looks exactly like their Delano model. Would be a big win for Fezzari
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him...
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with...
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
They have a new blue color way available on their site now in certain builds... just sayin.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him...
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we...
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
/offtopic
I have no facts other but some things to consider:
- Pretty sure the team will be at a LOT more than 10 races, like most of the US series ones
- Poverty line for a family of 4 is $30k, living wage is a LOT higher
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and...
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and how he hadn't vibed with Commencal. But could be totally off in my memory..
I was like what I forgot he wasn’t even on Commencal anymore
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with...
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
I'm always looking for an excuse to post music, and this feels fitting
Looks like a Fezzari
Funny, Fezzari was my first thought too.
The visible shock compression knob is a Fox DPX2 knob--not sponsor-correct for Strait (I'm sure it'll be replaced by the time we see the full bike) and also mostly superseded by the new Float X now for OEM spec. Which, to me, suggests somebody pulled out a previous model-year frame (leftover stock, or maybe unused warranty stock) to get him rolling on a bike as quickly as possible. Curious to see what it turns out to be.
My guess on Strait is Commencal. Their trail bikes have the high horizontal shock, and they also make DH bikes.
Would be interesting if he went back to Commencal, I feel like I remember him on the other site podcast talking about signing with virus and how he hadn't vibed with Commencal. But could be totally off in my memory..
Was my first thought.. Outline looks exactly like their Delano model. Would be a big win for Fezzari
Why are we assuming it's Kyle's? Because of Vitus dropping him? Is Rachel still on GT?
Looks like a Transmission mech but maybe a non-SRAM cassette?
I really thought the budget would have been substantially more than 400k USD
like you said, travel, accommodation etc etc physio person, all the other salaries
He mentioned that someone here guessed a budget of $1M and said that it looked great, he just needed to figure out where to get the $1M
Too true.
All the YouTuber trail narcs & Strava KOM lorders have to brag to the world for the clicks.
Even if a team rig rolls up...without the narcs, you'd still have to find it, test it out and do work to get to and from.
DH trails are dead now though. "Trinidad" and all the others are now the domain of the SurRon urban vape douches and their next IG reel featuring ASAP Rocky and their comments to outraged locals of "you seem turnt bruh. chill"
When you think about the fact that he's pulling $400k without factory support, it makes you wonder what kind of budget the factory teams are working with. I don't think anyone on the Framesworks team is making more than $100k, and I'd highly doubt anyone is making more than $80k. If we suppose the salary mix is $50k-$100k, with Saurez, Whitley and Neko averaging $75k, thats $225k, plus Asa at say, $50k, and a mechanic at $50k, we're only leaving $75k for travel expenses and event fees. Even that seems kinda low. Especially as they are paying a crew to film for social media, and they need money left over to buy and produce frames.
I’d guess frames come out of Framworks-the-business’s budget, not Framworks-the-team’s. They have 2 mechanics iirc from the podcast and I’d bet if anyone’s getting stiffed on salary it’s Neko…
I think you're overestimating the salaries of DH riders and support staff by quite a bit. The top 5 or 10 in the world might average $100k salary with a capped bonus structure but after that, the top 10-25 probably make $25k with good bonus structure or $40k with a small bonus structure. Outside the top 25 and juniors is probably $15k salary or less. Mechanics are probably paid at most what you're suggesting, but realistically a little lower. All that said, Neko's budget sounds lean, but very doable when you have smart minds like his and Martin's running things.
Based on personal experience I would say you are underestimating what the top 20 riders make by quite a bit. I dont think it is as bad out there as people think. Just based on personal experience and very close relationships.
Surprising but good to hear!
I give people a hard time. They give me a hard time. Guy stuff.
No trigger warnings. Just nonsense good times.
I lack emoji utility to soften the sillyness.
Bikes at Wide Open Distributers which sell/distribute GoodYear - https://www.wideopen.co.nz/
was just sent this by rogue racing TM, not sure if old news. rogue and GT this year
I don't know current salary structure but even over a decade ago in slalom's prime, a buddy was offered $30k yr from Iron Horse to race Dual Slalom for a year and free equipment. He turned it down b/c they HAD to run GripShift. Sram had no thumb shifters.
It was a good move on his part. Seems happy these days and still involved in the industry & got to avoid a possible Wade Bootes administrated first turn collarbone take out or three.
I imagine neko is paying his staff well. But some world cup teams still pay staff peanuts. With weird mixes of day rates, product, bikes etc... it's pretty low brow as far as I know
This deserves its own thread, but unless you are looking at the contract first hand, take everything with a grain of salt. I've negotiated on behalf of a handful of professional athletes in adjacent sports as an "agent" (LOL) and I've also watched people flat lie about what they were making to feel better about themselves. I get it. Its a topic riddled with insecurity.
While I'd wager there are more athletes making $100-200K+ than most think (I'm including influencer types and freeriders in this), its a terrible career choice in every sense of the word "choice".
If I was a dad, and my kid showed any less promise than Asa or a young Keegan/Vali, I'd make it very clear how unlikely it was he/she is to ever make a real living doing anything in the sport as a racer. Remember, your net worth as a racer is getting pitted against all sorts of other advertising and marketing instruments. That's not a fight I'd want to wage in 2024. This doesn't mean don't race, it just means everyone should be eyes wide open as to what you are really worth. This isn't NIL NCAA, and we should treat it appropriately as mentors/uncles/coaches/parents.
The good news is there are a bazillion awesome careers out there for anyone who loves mountain biking. Things you can do where you are given plenty of time to ride, race and thrive within the sport.
Turns out, you don't need the sport to pay you for it to be a worthwhile endeavor. We're all super lucky to get to do this at all. I think the more we have this sort of attitude, the better the entirety of the culture really is.
Regarding the Frameworks salaries... As has been said here earlier I think, Neko said that Unno paid Angel's contact for this year so they got him for super cheap. Maybe $25k salary + his travel/bike expenses paid. Neko is likely taking a very minimal salary, Martin is probably discounting himself, but I can't see him doing it for less than $75k/yr. The mechanics are not big name mechanics and they're working part of the year so probably $40k each X2.
Asa is the wildcard... In the past juniors would be getting paid nothing... but he's going to likely be winning races, getting on TV, etc. Good chance he's making $50k because other brands would have snagged him up for less than that. I doubt there is a big bonus structure in this team because Frameworks does not have deep pockets to find money from or a parent company to use as insurance... etc.
I agree 100%. Ride and race for the enjoyment and the time with your kids. But sometimes it works out and its just a bonus on top of all the great time and learning you do with your kid.
The Delano was offered in blue, and you can see part of the bike in that pic.....in a similar blue. It was also first offered with DPX2, and it has UDH....
I have no facts regarding the subject, and anyone wiser is welcome to correct me, but 40k$ sounds WILD for a race mechanic salary. If we count like 10 races a years for the team, 5 days per race, and a few team camps, we get to around 60 days of work. Got to be quite a bike wrench to pay that kind of hourly wage!
/offtopic
They have a new blue color way available on their site now in certain builds... just sayin.
I have no facts other but some things to consider:
- Pretty sure the team will be at a LOT more than 10 races, like most of the US series ones
- Poverty line for a family of 4 is $30k, living wage is a LOT higher
- Health insurance is expensive.
I was like what I forgot he wasn’t even on Commencal anymore
I'm always looking for an excuse to post music, and this feels fitting
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