"This is the eighth generation of V10, one of the most winningest downhill bikes of all time. What you see here is still very much in the prototype stages. This video series goes behind the scenes and shows the work that the team at Santa Cruz and the Syndicate put into this and other bikes. Episode one takes us back to just a few weeks after Greg Minnaar won the 2021 World Championship and went to work validating numerous test mules to decide the direction of the next bike. You might be surprised to hear that other suspension designs were tested before Greg settled on VPP™. The Syndicate will be racing this bike in 2023 and they will continue to develop it throughout the year. Future episodes will dive further into the process of making a world class downhill race bike. When will it go on sale? No time soon. This is development in plain site."
santa cruz syndicate with new v10?
vid description says
"This is the eighth generation of V10, one of the most winningest downhill bikes of all...
santa cruz syndicate with new v10?
vid description says
"This is the eighth generation of V10, one of the most winningest downhill bikes of all time. What you see here is still very much in the prototype stages. This video series goes behind the scenes and shows the work that the team at Santa Cruz and the Syndicate put into this and other bikes. Episode one takes us back to just a few weeks after Greg Minnaar won the 2021 World Championship and went to work validating numerous test mules to decide the direction of the next bike. You might be surprised to hear that other suspension designs were tested before Greg settled on VPP™. The Syndicate will be racing this bike in 2023 and they will continue to develop it throughout the year. Future episodes will dive further into the process of making a world class downhill race bike. When will it go on sale? No time soon. This is development in plain site."
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
Well when you're selling bikes for €5600 with NX and Select level components (and you've got chads and dads left and right lapping them up), you've basically got money to burn.
Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can think now is "gosh, those bikes look ridiculous!"
this was the last 26" dh bike that won a worldcup wasn't it?
Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can...
Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can think now is "gosh, those bikes look ridiculous!"
this was the last 26" dh bike that won a worldcup wasn't it?
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video.
Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup.
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video.
Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup.
In the Santa Cruz video 1 Gregs test bike had XO cranks & mech, & that was before the 22 season.
Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off.
Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step...
Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off.
Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step forward in removing the drivetrain mass from the unsprung mass.
Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting period. Some really clever stuff going on. And a hella lot simpler looking than Supre' drive.
Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting...
Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting period. Some really clever stuff going on. And a hella lot simpler looking than Supre' drive.
They’re using SRAM NX cassette cogs on this, it would seem like an easy ask for SunRace/MicroShift to produce cassettes specifically for this system.
debated team rumors or here, but chose here. kyle strait's mod'd slalom bike check (121mm instead of 140 rear, short-cage AXS derailleur and diff width front/rear rims).
Absolutely feeling the exact same way. Or even Brooklyn machine works with the tubes going everywhere?
kinda prefer the last, but 100 percent prefer the aluminum v3:
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video.
Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup.
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video.
Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup.
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff...
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.
Have there been any sightings/rumors of updated Saint brakes at all?
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff...
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.
saint M820 was launched in 2012. so closing in on 11 years. fun fact: it is now the longest running shimano groupset (including road). next longest is Ultegra 6500, launched '97 updated '05 (~8 years)
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the...
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).
As someone who still used dura ace downtube shifters, civil war tech is still ok
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the...
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).
DXR was launched for the inaugural bmx at the olympics in 2008 and Dura Ace 7710 (track) is older than the hills (1996).
santa cruz syndicate with new v10?
vid description says
"This is the eighth generation of V10, one of the most winningest downhill bikes of all time. What you see here is still very much in the prototype stages. This video series goes behind the scenes and shows the work that the team at Santa Cruz and the Syndicate put into this and other bikes. Episode one takes us back to just a few weeks after Greg Minnaar won the 2021 World Championship and went to work validating numerous test mules to decide the direction of the next bike. You might be surprised to hear that other suspension designs were tested before Greg settled on VPP™. The Syndicate will be racing this bike in 2023 and they will continue to develop it throughout the year. Future episodes will dive further into the process of making a world class downhill race bike. When will it go on sale? No time soon. This is development in plain site."
Mullet's for all except the largest one.
v10 mule photo from video
mid pivot v10 mule
Proto V10
Screen capture from the video.
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash.
I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage.
Seems like a good time to bring these back up! Kudos to Santa Cruz for their transparency and feeding the tech rumors since 2008
Well when you're selling bikes for €5600 with NX and Select level components (and you've got chads and dads left and right lapping them up), you've basically got money to burn.
Almost has og Rocky RMX vibes
Funny to see they put into the video that Mule A version1 was running Sram drivetrain under Greg...
Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can think now is "gosh, those bikes look ridiculous!"
this was the last 26" dh bike that won a worldcup wasn't it?
No, it was Ratboy on the 2014 bike.
excentric headset cups on the new V10?
They better be. Should be standard on literally every single bike in existence. So far only Canyon managed to get it right.
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video.
Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup.
In the Santa Cruz video 1 Gregs test bike had XO cranks & mech, & that was before the 22 season.
Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting period. Some really clever stuff going on. And a hella lot simpler looking than Supre' drive.
They’re using SRAM NX cassette cogs on this, it would seem like an easy ask for SunRace/MicroShift to produce cassettes specifically for this system.
debated team rumors or here, but chose here. kyle strait's mod'd slalom bike check (121mm instead of 140 rear, short-cage AXS derailleur and diff width front/rear rims).
https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/VitusbikesMTB/blog/01/19/2023/entry/…
Absolutely feeling the exact same way. Or even Brooklyn machine works with the tubes going everywhere?
kinda prefer the last, but 100 percent prefer the aluminum v3:
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.
Have there been any sightings/rumors of updated Saint brakes at all?
saint M820 was launched in 2012. so closing in on 11 years. fun fact: it is now the longest running shimano groupset (including road). next longest is Ultegra 6500, launched '97 updated '05 (~8 years)
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).
As someone who still used dura ace downtube shifters, civil war tech is still ok
DXR was launched for the inaugural bmx at the olympics in 2008 and Dura Ace 7710 (track) is older than the hills (1996).
https://bikerumor.com/sram-suspension-fork-automatic-venting-system/
I'm not buying this unless they can engineer the automatic pressure release valves to sound like farts.
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