when you feel like you're being pulled down a hill by your bike in steep section and scare the shit out of yourself because you no longer feel in control -thats too much reach. go ride a long reach bike down a gnarly steep chute. if you cant continue relocate your body rearwards in steep sections to feel comfortable because you have fully extended your arm "travel" -thats too much reach. The steeper terrain a bike can go down, the shorter the reach will be to allow for arm travel and body maneuverability. long reach allows for you to be lazy and in the "right" position behind the front wheel without thinking about it, but it is limiting in that you can only move around the bike so much. this is also why top gravity riders dont use super long reach bikes, more maneuverability: Eddie, Rude, Loic... You can make your position behind your front wheel whatever you want to tackle steep terrain, you just move your body back, but your modern long reach trail bike does that for you and it allows for those who have less skill to feel more comfortable without having to develop more skill.
when you feel like you're being pulled down a hill by your bike in steep section and scare the shit out of yourself because you no...
when you feel like you're being pulled down a hill by your bike in steep section and scare the shit out of yourself because you no longer feel in control -thats too much reach. go ride a long reach bike down a gnarly steep chute. if you cant continue relocate your body rearwards in steep sections to feel comfortable because you have fully extended your arm "travel" -thats too much reach. The steeper terrain a bike can go down, the shorter the reach will be to allow for arm travel and body maneuverability. long reach allows for you to be lazy and in the "right" position behind the front wheel without thinking about it, but it is limiting in that you can only move around the bike so much. this is also why top gravity riders dont use super long reach bikes, more maneuverability: Eddie, Rude, Loic... You can make your position behind your front wheel whatever you want to tackle steep terrain, you just move your body back, but your modern long reach trail bike does that for you and it allows for those who have less skill to feel more comfortable without having to develop more skill.
You do not need to be as far back on long reach bikes, since you are already so far back relatively.
For me too much reach is when you do not have the strength to pull up enough on demand. This is combined height, technique and core strength. As you need to pull harder to get the front wheel up as the reach goes, you need to be strong or work on your technique.
Reach is for standing, ETT is for sitting. The steep seat tube angles did not necessarily force the long reach, as the long reach came first (Forward Geometry with 73° seat angle). People have been more accustomed to sitting more upright, and have seen the advantage with a steep seat tube angle. Long droppers have allowed steeper seat tube angles, as the seat is more in the way in the more forward position.
Anyway, it is a complex matter, as all of these parameters affect each other. Find your stack/reach combo for good standing position, add ETT for seated comfort.
(note chainstays also play a huge role in how you should be positioned on your bike. A longer chainstay will allow you to ride less over the handlebars than short ones.
when you feel like you're being pulled down a hill by your bike in steep section and scare the shit out of yourself because you no...
when you feel like you're being pulled down a hill by your bike in steep section and scare the shit out of yourself because you no longer feel in control -thats too much reach. go ride a long reach bike down a gnarly steep chute. if you cant continue relocate your body rearwards in steep sections to feel comfortable because you have fully extended your arm "travel" -thats too much reach. The steeper terrain a bike can go down, the shorter the reach will be to allow for arm travel and body maneuverability. long reach allows for you to be lazy and in the "right" position behind the front wheel without thinking about it, but it is limiting in that you can only move around the bike so much. this is also why top gravity riders dont use super long reach bikes, more maneuverability: Eddie, Rude, Loic... You can make your position behind your front wheel whatever you want to tackle steep terrain, you just move your body back, but your modern long reach trail bike does that for you and it allows for those who have less skill to feel more comfortable without having to develop more skill.
Yea... My question was an apparently too subtle reminder that this is Tech Rumors and there is an appropriate forum for this conversation over at "How Much Reach is Too Much Reach?"
Yea... My question was an apparently too subtle reminder that this is Tech Rumors and there is an appropriate forum for this conversation over at "How...
Yea... My question was an apparently too subtle reminder that this is Tech Rumors and there is an appropriate forum for this conversation over at "How Much Reach is Too Much Reach?"
I know we haven’t seen/heard much since race season ended, but has anyone got any info on the new rockshox stuff? Seemed like there was some HSC on the super deluxe air and coil. Very interested.
I know we haven’t seen/heard much since race season ended, but has anyone got any info on the new rockshox stuff? Seemed like there was some...
I know we haven’t seen/heard much since race season ended, but has anyone got any info on the new rockshox stuff? Seemed like there was some HSC on the super deluxe air and coil. Very interested.
Not sure I see the benefits here, to be honest. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario in which you'd want to swap only your stem (or stem and bars) from a trail bike to a downhill bike, and unless you are doing that swap regularly, the stem in its steerer-clamped configuration just adds more complexity/bolts/failure points/weight. Seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, but YMMV.
[url=https://yoshimuracycling.com/collections/stem/products/endh-stem-kit]https://yoshimuracycling.com/collections/stem/products/endh-stem-kit[/url]
So this is... something.
Not sure I see the benefits here, to be honest. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario in which you'd...
Not sure I see the benefits here, to be honest. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario in which you'd want to swap only your stem (or stem and bars) from a trail bike to a downhill bike, and unless you are doing that swap regularly, the stem in its steerer-clamped configuration just adds more complexity/bolts/failure points/weight. Seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, but YMMV.
I believe this has been out for a little while now. Seems like it's aimed at downduro (sorry) type bikes, that get used with dual crowns in the bike park on weekends, and with a single crown on local evening rides.
That being said, I don't think people are swapping forks that regularly. I have a friend with a 40 on his Slayer, but it just stays like that all season.
I wonder if they sell just the part that clamps onto the steerer and then I can finally have a use for my Twenty6 DM stem...
I wonder if they sell just the part that clamps onto the steerer and then I can finally have a use for my Twenty6 DM stem!! So sending them a message.
Yeah if I understand, you should be able to use that adapter with any DM stem? Not sure what benefit that might give unless you are changing forks every other weekend but I guess someone might find it useful
Or shouldn’t we be asking for the stem to bb numbers? It’s very easy to add 30mm to that and not effect the reach number significantly while still making the bike to big for you.
Any ideas of a new Trek Fuel EX coming out anytime soon?
Fuel EX carbon frames are available right now, but full bikes are 12+ months out. I'm guessing that Trek drops a new bike early summer with fall/winter 2022 availability. Slash to follow 6 months later.
Fuel EX carbon frames are available right now, but full bikes are 12+ months out. I'm guessing that Trek drops a new bike early summer with...
Fuel EX carbon frames are available right now, but full bikes are 12+ months out. I'm guessing that Trek drops a new bike early summer with fall/winter 2022 availability. Slash to follow 6 months later.
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the way out... Maybe it becomes a mullet?
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the...
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the way out... Maybe it becomes a mullet?
The Remedy really looks to be going away. I can see the Slash being turned into a 29-or-mullet bike like the Transition Spire. You're right, the Slash will likely be a 2024 bike, but announced early in 2023.
The Remedy really looks to be going away. I can see the Slash being turned into a 29-or-mullet bike like the Transition Spire. You're right, the...
The Remedy really looks to be going away. I can see the Slash being turned into a 29-or-mullet bike like the Transition Spire. You're right, the Slash will likely be a 2024 bike, but announced early in 2023.
I think the Slash will stay 29er.. I'm not sure if the Remedy becomes a mullet to compete with the Bronson or becomes a longer travel trail bike to go against something like the Hightower, SB130 LR...
Edit.. So maybe the Fuel gets a bump in travel on the redesign and the Remedy goes mixed wheel.. That covers the most bases..
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the...
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the way out... Maybe it becomes a mullet?
Can confirm that the Remedy as everyone knows it in its current form is done. All bikes not already in shops are sold out.
The Fuel EX will likely be updated for 2023. Classic Longer, slacker, more travel. The new Top Fuel is slacker than the Fuel EX with only 10mm less travel. Hoping for a 150 front/140 rear. Slash will stay and Ive heard the remedy might come back as a 150/150 mullet specific. Would be rad if it was a high pivot park bike like the session. (would directly compete with the Status.
Can confirm that the Remedy as everyone knows it in its current form is done. All bikes not already in shops are sold out.
The Fuel...
Can confirm that the Remedy as everyone knows it in its current form is done. All bikes not already in shops are sold out.
The Fuel EX will likely be updated for 2023. Classic Longer, slacker, more travel. The new Top Fuel is slacker than the Fuel EX with only 10mm less travel. Hoping for a 150 front/140 rear. Slash will stay and Ive heard the remedy might come back as a 150/150 mullet specific. Would be rad if it was a high pivot park bike like the session. (would directly compete with the Status.
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the...
Maybe a new Fuel... But, the Slash just got redone in 21, so I would guess 2024 for that.. The Remedy seems to be on the way out... Maybe it becomes a mullet?
Can confirm that the Remedy as everyone knows it in its current form is done. All bikes not already in shops are sold out.
The Fuel...
Can confirm that the Remedy as everyone knows it in its current form is done. All bikes not already in shops are sold out.
The Fuel EX will likely be updated for 2023. Classic Longer, slacker, more travel. The new Top Fuel is slacker than the Fuel EX with only 10mm less travel. Hoping for a 150 front/140 rear. Slash will stay and Ive heard the remedy might come back as a 150/150 mullet specific. Would be rad if it was a high pivot park bike like the session. (would directly compete with the Status.
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike with 140/150. I am having trouble with them not just dropping the top/ex parts of the names, and keeping it 90/super caliber, 120/Fuel, 140/Remedy, 170/Slash if the remedy isn't coming back in some form. It makes no sense to have similar names for two very different bikes that newer riders/customers often get mixed up when looking at them as is when you have a well recognized and liked name plate going unused.
Also, the Status. I don't understand. Why. Why is it not anywhere. Its so rad and everyone I've talked to riding it loves it and it's shreds.
Tell me if I’m late to this but looks like a new bell dh helmet.
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Tell me if I’m late to this but looks like a new bell dh helmet.
Tell me if I’m late to this but looks like a new bell dh helmet.
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/12/20/11700/s1200_02852A5E_FBCF_4C78_95AA_2CCD9CED4FDA.jpg[/img]
Tell me if I’m late to this but looks like a new bell dh helmet.
mtb version of the moto 10. if it's anything like that helmet it'll be very premium and very expensive.
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike...
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike with 140/150. I am having trouble with them not just dropping the top/ex parts of the names, and keeping it 90/super caliber, 120/Fuel, 140/Remedy, 170/Slash if the remedy isn't coming back in some form. It makes no sense to have similar names for two very different bikes that newer riders/customers often get mixed up when looking at them as is when you have a well recognized and liked name plate going unused.
Also, the Status. I don't understand. Why. Why is it not anywhere. Its so rad and everyone I've talked to riding it loves it and it's shreds.
Right. I’ve thought the exact same thing about the names! However the super cal is only 60mm in the rear (as of right now). Riders are hoping for a little more in the rear for the next bike, 90 would be perfect, to match the new style of putting 120 forks on everything that isn’t a trail or enduro bike. (I’m looking directly at you “Grinduro”)
My understanding with the status, and from personal experience, is it’s not for everyone. Yes it’s great as a park bike, but doesn’t really work well anywhere else. I’ve seen some people riding bikes that are two sizes two big for them, with 810mm bars and let’s just say it doesn’t go well. I’ve seen far too many people riding green flow trails in WNC eat it because they can’t get far enough over the front end.
But I digress. The status in its current form was released to only about 9 dealers originally in the US. Since then that number has grown, but still not everywhere. Marketing mishap or a pyramid scheme to help those top end stores? As a business major, I’d love to have a conversation with marketing director at specialized to really ask why they are withholding so much information about the bike.
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike...
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike with 140/150. I am having trouble with them not just dropping the top/ex parts of the names, and keeping it 90/super caliber, 120/Fuel, 140/Remedy, 170/Slash if the remedy isn't coming back in some form. It makes no sense to have similar names for two very different bikes that newer riders/customers often get mixed up when looking at them as is when you have a well recognized and liked name plate going unused.
Also, the Status. I don't understand. Why. Why is it not anywhere. Its so rad and everyone I've talked to riding it loves it and it's shreds.
Right. I’ve thought the exact same thing about the names! However the super cal is only 60mm in the rear (as of right now). Riders are...
Right. I’ve thought the exact same thing about the names! However the super cal is only 60mm in the rear (as of right now). Riders are hoping for a little more in the rear for the next bike, 90 would be perfect, to match the new style of putting 120 forks on everything that isn’t a trail or enduro bike. (I’m looking directly at you “Grinduro”)
My understanding with the status, and from personal experience, is it’s not for everyone. Yes it’s great as a park bike, but doesn’t really work well anywhere else. I’ve seen some people riding bikes that are two sizes two big for them, with 810mm bars and let’s just say it doesn’t go well. I’ve seen far too many people riding green flow trails in WNC eat it because they can’t get far enough over the front end.
But I digress. The status in its current form was released to only about 9 dealers originally in the US. Since then that number has grown, but still not everywhere. Marketing mishap or a pyramid scheme to help those top end stores? As a business major, I’d love to have a conversation with marketing director at specialized to really ask why they are withholding so much information about the bike.
Marketing genius. It’s meant to appeal to non typical specialized customers. But it’s also extremely frugal. I hope they expand the product line.
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike...
Pretty sure you're right on the money about most of this from what I've been told. The new Fuel EX will be the middle travel bike with 140/150. I am having trouble with them not just dropping the top/ex parts of the names, and keeping it 90/super caliber, 120/Fuel, 140/Remedy, 170/Slash if the remedy isn't coming back in some form. It makes no sense to have similar names for two very different bikes that newer riders/customers often get mixed up when looking at them as is when you have a well recognized and liked name plate going unused.
Also, the Status. I don't understand. Why. Why is it not anywhere. Its so rad and everyone I've talked to riding it loves it and it's shreds.
Right. I’ve thought the exact same thing about the names! However the super cal is only 60mm in the rear (as of right now). Riders are...
Right. I’ve thought the exact same thing about the names! However the super cal is only 60mm in the rear (as of right now). Riders are hoping for a little more in the rear for the next bike, 90 would be perfect, to match the new style of putting 120 forks on everything that isn’t a trail or enduro bike. (I’m looking directly at you “Grinduro”)
My understanding with the status, and from personal experience, is it’s not for everyone. Yes it’s great as a park bike, but doesn’t really work well anywhere else. I’ve seen some people riding bikes that are two sizes two big for them, with 810mm bars and let’s just say it doesn’t go well. I’ve seen far too many people riding green flow trails in WNC eat it because they can’t get far enough over the front end.
But I digress. The status in its current form was released to only about 9 dealers originally in the US. Since then that number has grown, but still not everywhere. Marketing mishap or a pyramid scheme to help those top end stores? As a business major, I’d love to have a conversation with marketing director at specialized to really ask why they are withholding so much information about the bike.
We have a few of them on the sales floor and people are always super interested but very insure as they haven't seen it yet anywhere else.
also I dont think 29er front wheel takes any fun out of bike park jumptrails whereas 27" front wheel feels sketchy af on anything tech
For me too much reach is when you do not have the strength to pull up enough on demand. This is combined height, technique and core strength. As you need to pull harder to get the front wheel up as the reach goes, you need to be strong or work on your technique.
Reach is for standing, ETT is for sitting. The steep seat tube angles did not necessarily force the long reach, as the long reach came first (Forward Geometry with 73° seat angle). People have been more accustomed to sitting more upright, and have seen the advantage with a steep seat tube angle. Long droppers have allowed steeper seat tube angles, as the seat is more in the way in the more forward position.
Anyway, it is a complex matter, as all of these parameters affect each other. Find your stack/reach combo for good standing position, add ETT for seated comfort.
(note chainstays also play a huge role in how you should be positioned on your bike. A longer chainstay will allow you to ride less over the handlebars than short ones.
So this is... something.
Not sure I see the benefits here, to be honest. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario in which you'd want to swap only your stem (or stem and bars) from a trail bike to a downhill bike, and unless you are doing that swap regularly, the stem in its steerer-clamped configuration just adds more complexity/bolts/failure points/weight. Seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, but YMMV.
That being said, I don't think people are swapping forks that regularly. I have a friend with a 40 on his Slayer, but it just stays like that all season.
Edit.. So maybe the Fuel gets a bump in travel on the redesign and the Remedy goes mixed wheel.. That covers the most bases..
The Fuel EX will likely be updated for 2023. Classic Longer, slacker, more travel. The new Top Fuel is slacker than the Fuel EX with only 10mm less travel. Hoping for a 150 front/140 rear. Slash will stay and Ive heard the remedy might come back as a 150/150 mullet specific. Would be rad if it was a high pivot park bike like the session. (would directly compete with the Status.
Also, the Status. I don't understand. Why. Why is it not anywhere. Its so rad and everyone I've talked to riding it loves it and it's shreds.
https://www.bos-suspension.com/PBCPPlayer.asp?ID=2285000
I had the OG S*Toy on my Morewood Makulu in 2011, and it was awesome. Too bad service was not as awesome.
My understanding with the status, and from personal experience, is it’s not for everyone. Yes it’s great as a park bike, but doesn’t really work well anywhere else. I’ve seen some people riding bikes that are two sizes two big for them, with 810mm bars and let’s just say it doesn’t go well. I’ve seen far too many people riding green flow trails in WNC eat it because they can’t get far enough over the front end.
But I digress. The status in its current form was released to only about 9 dealers originally in the US. Since then that number has grown, but still not everywhere. Marketing mishap or a pyramid scheme to help those top end stores? As a business major, I’d love to have a conversation with marketing director at specialized to really ask why they are withholding so much information about the bike.
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