There is nothing weird about the chain length, it´s DH bike sagged deep into travel ( he is sitting upright on the saddle and the bike is pointing up hill, doh) in the easiest gear he only uses when getting out of the starting gate. And yes, summum doesn´t have a lot of chain growth.
i was speculating last week with a buddy that when shimano eventually launches new saint it will include 220mm rotors.
this morning i came across this...
i was speculating last week with a buddy that when shimano eventually launches new saint it will include 220mm rotors.
No 220mm ice-tech rotor? Not even just a floating one? That’s kinda strange! Weren’t Shimano, upon releasing the Ice Tech, explaining how each size ice tech...
No 220mm ice-tech rotor? Not even just a floating one? That’s kinda strange! Weren’t Shimano, upon releasing the Ice Tech, explaining how each size ice tech rotor is effective and as good as the next bigger size non-ice tech one?
i would assume a higher tiered rotor like ice tech (or a floating one) would be saved for the new saint launch (whenever that may be). the ones they have launched were alongside some other cargo and ebike components, so I'm not surprised they are not the higher tiered versions. that does strike me as a little odd - and backwards - as usually shimano takes a top down approach and launches the high end version first, then the tech will filter down to lower tiers.
Is this the current Capra or a new version? 🧐
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An updated fork an shock are coming, we've seen it in this thread before. The shock has been seen in some more detail (a Super Deluxe with high and low speed compression settings), not much is known about the fork though.
An updated fork an shock are coming, we've seen it in this thread before. The shock has been seen in some more detail (a Super Deluxe...
An updated fork an shock are coming, we've seen it in this thread before. The shock has been seen in some more detail (a Super Deluxe with high and low speed compression settings), not much is known about the fork though.
I’ve run a search o a few online shops and it seems all rockshox dampers all out of stock… waiting for the new 2022 line i see…
Is this the current Capra or a new version? 🧐
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Is this the current Capra or a new version? 🧐
The shock looks like it's placed high enough to fit a water bottle (finally)
The shock looks like it's placed high enough to fit a water bottle (finally)
Not to me it doesn’t, the front eyelet still mounts to the down tube so I’m not sure it will fit a water bottle😬 maybe they can fit their dumb proprietary bottles like the Jeffsy but let’s see.
"To be faaaaiiiiirrrrrrr", Sram said FU to the 160, 185, 203 rotor stack which makes no sense and went for the (140), 160, 180, 200, (220)...
"To be faaaaiiiiirrrrrrr", Sram said FU to the 160, 185, 203 rotor stack which makes no sense and went for the (140), 160, 180, 200, (220) stack, where the jumps are even 20 mm. Which means you need a +20 mm adaptor to go from a 160 mm frame to a 180 mm rotor. And the same adaptor to mount a 200 mm rotor to a 180 mm frame. So you need a +20 and a +40 adapter, that's it. You needed a +25 (or a '185') and a +43 (or a '203') adapter before, but what do you do when you get a PM180 frame? Or a PM200 frame? Washer up the +5 or +3 mm (well, half of that)? And a +23 mm adapter?
Case in point, a friend of mine went from a 200/180 setup on a PM180 fork and frame to a 220/200 setup, which required buying one new rotor and one new adapter - the front setup was carried over to the rear. Had he had a PM160 frame, he'd need two pieces of the same +40 mm adapter.
Hate Sram all you want, going to the 140-200 with 20 mm jumps stack makes all the damn sense in the world. And this is why I'm so flabberghasted, companies gladly threw away the 185 mm rotors for the smaller, sensible 180 mm variants, but why is the 203 mm version still kicking around?!
They might make new standards and confusion, but this is a case of where the confusion and proprietaryness has been DRASTICALLY lowered.
As a percentage 185-203 is much closer to 27.5-29 than 180-200
But you use larger rotors to gain power, not to move from wheel size to wheel size. I stayed at 200 mm in the front moving to a 29er. Plus the small percentage difference is not even close enough to a worthy gain compared to standardised mounts if you ask me.
As for the shock and bottle of the unknown bike, mounting to the top tube means the piggyback needs to be under the main body of the shock, which again loses space. Look at my bike check to see a case of that, only the 450 ml fidlock bottle fits into my frame without modifications.
It looks to me like a single speed set up on that bike. The derailleur looking thing is just a chain tensioner to handle chain growth...
It looks to me like a single speed set up on that bike. The derailleur looking thing is just a chain tensioner to handle chain growth through the travel.
"To be faaaaiiiiirrrrrrr", Sram said FU to the 160, 185, 203 rotor stack which makes no sense and went for the (140), 160, 180, 200, (220)...
"To be faaaaiiiiirrrrrrr", Sram said FU to the 160, 185, 203 rotor stack which makes no sense and went for the (140), 160, 180, 200, (220) stack, where the jumps are even 20 mm. Which means you need a +20 mm adaptor to go from a 160 mm frame to a 180 mm rotor. And the same adaptor to mount a 200 mm rotor to a 180 mm frame. So you need a +20 and a +40 adapter, that's it. You needed a +25 (or a '185') and a +43 (or a '203') adapter before, but what do you do when you get a PM180 frame? Or a PM200 frame? Washer up the +5 or +3 mm (well, half of that)? And a +23 mm adapter?
Case in point, a friend of mine went from a 200/180 setup on a PM180 fork and frame to a 220/200 setup, which required buying one new rotor and one new adapter - the front setup was carried over to the rear. Had he had a PM160 frame, he'd need two pieces of the same +40 mm adapter.
Hate Sram all you want, going to the 140-200 with 20 mm jumps stack makes all the damn sense in the world. And this is why I'm so flabberghasted, companies gladly threw away the 185 mm rotors for the smaller, sensible 180 mm variants, but why is the 203 mm version still kicking around?!
They might make new standards and confusion, but this is a case of where the confusion and proprietaryness has been DRASTICALLY lowered.
Thoughts on Sram also introducing 170mm rotors then? Whole new (+10mm) adapter needed there.
Not to me it doesn’t, the front eyelet still mounts to the down tube so I’m not sure it will fit a water bottle😬 maybe they...
Not to me it doesn’t, the front eyelet still mounts to the down tube so I’m not sure it will fit a water bottle😬 maybe they can fit their dumb proprietary bottles like the Jeffsy but let’s see.
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar to the old ones. I still has the connection between the downtube and seattube beneath the shock like the previouse model. But asymetrical (just on the drivetrain side) so there is space for a waterbottle. I am not quite sure about this but the bottles even seemed full sized.
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
RE: baronKanon and "That was just stupid, and nobody jumped on that bandwagon"
Luckily as I can save some of my face this way, otherwise I'd be screwed 😂
Yeah, don't really see the point in it. True, you need a new adapter, but at least it is a whole distinct rotor size, 200 and 203 are sooooo close it's stupid not to consolidate them into one, even more so when 185 died out for the universal acceptance of the 180 size. And that's my gripe, shimano sells separate 20 and 23 mm adapters if I'm not mistaken, at least just add some spacers and consolidate the two into one part?
RE: baronKanon and "That was just stupid, and nobody jumped on that bandwagon"
Luckily as I can save some of my face this way, otherwise I'd...
RE: baronKanon and "That was just stupid, and nobody jumped on that bandwagon"
Luckily as I can save some of my face this way, otherwise I'd be screwed 😂
Yeah, don't really see the point in it. True, you need a new adapter, but at least it is a whole distinct rotor size, 200 and 203 are sooooo close it's stupid not to consolidate them into one, even more so when 185 died out for the universal acceptance of the 180 size. And that's my gripe, shimano sells separate 20 and 23 mm adapters if I'm not mistaken, at least just add some spacers and consolidate the two into one part?
Yes to the spacer thing. Just do some 1.5mm wahers in each 20mm package. The 23mm ones are like finding palm trees in antarctica some times and it's frustrating as hell to have two different skus. Especially right now. I shouldn't have to do washer runs to home depot just to put 203 rotors on a bike because the 203 adapters are sold out forever.
I know 1,5 mm washers (well, technically it's not 1,5 mm, as the bolt axis is offset and not radial, so it's probably more like 1 mm in the end) are the solution, but that's my point, why not make a +20 mm adapter and throw in the two washers, that literally cost peanuts and have one SKU covering the +20 and +23 mm variants? Or be done with the 203 mm rotor, go to 200 and not have any of these issues, which is my original point.
EDIT: I see I wrote spacers in the previous post, I meant washers, but I was typing it out on my phone while actually pretending to do some work
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar...
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar to the old ones. I still has the connection between the downtube and seattube beneath the shock like the previouse model. But asymetrical (just on the drivetrain side) so there is space for a waterbottle. I am not quite sure about this but the bottles even seemed full sized.
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar...
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar to the old ones. I still has the connection between the downtube and seattube beneath the shock like the previouse model. But asymetrical (just on the drivetrain side) so there is space for a waterbottle. I am not quite sure about this but the bottles even seemed full sized.
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
I always ride with a protractor, a level and a folding meter-stick so when I see proto bikes on the trail i can run up and measure the seat angle. Makes it easier to go complain in the pinkbike comments before everyone else does.
I always ride with a protractor, a level and a folding meter-stick so when I see proto bikes on the trail i can run up and...
I always ride with a protractor, a level and a folding meter-stick so when I see proto bikes on the trail i can run up and measure the seat angle. Makes it easier to go complain in the pinkbike comments before everyone else does.
I don't want any measurements. Capra has a very slack actual sta and i'm sure with just one look you can understand the change if its changed. He had a good look on the new ones as far as i can tell
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mitch on high-pivot cannondale in Missouri. he was DNF, wonder if it was from chain derail? from our vital raw - https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Vital-RAW-Big-Mountain-Enduro-MISSOURI,38868/sspomer,2
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar...
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar to the old ones. I still has the connection between the downtube and seattube beneath the shock like the previouse model. But asymetrical (just on the drivetrain side) so there is space for a waterbottle. I am not quite sure about this but the bottles even seemed full sized.
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
I have no idea :D. But since the Izzo has a relatively steep seattube angle for a short travel bike I would assume the capra will have a much steeper seattube anlge than the previouse version.
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar...
I saw a couple of the new capras yesterday when they were holding a press camp at our local trails. The new capra looks pretty similiar to the old ones. I still has the connection between the downtube and seattube beneath the shock like the previouse model. But asymetrical (just on the drivetrain side) so there is space for a waterbottle. I am not quite sure about this but the bottles even seemed full sized.
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
I have no idea :D. But since the Izzo has a relatively steep seattube angle for a short travel bike I would assume the capra will...
I have no idea :D. But since the Izzo has a relatively steep seattube angle for a short travel bike I would assume the capra will have a much steeper seattube anlge than the previouse version.
I reckon that the updated version will come with a steeper seat tube angle, a slacker head tube angle and a longer reach + place for a water bottle as already discussed. Curious to see if they stick to the two wheel size options or if they will also offer a version with mixed wheel sizes.
They will most likely also release them as core models (similar to the Jeffsy).
Bit surprised to see that they still do not offer the TUES with mixed wheel sizes.
I have no idea :D. But since the Izzo has a relatively steep seattube angle for a short travel bike I would assume the capra will...
I have no idea :D. But since the Izzo has a relatively steep seattube angle for a short travel bike I would assume the capra will have a much steeper seattube anlge than the previouse version.
I hope so, my friend is on a xxl and he is 203cm. He rides if not behind top of the rear wheel it would be a good upgrade
As for the shock and bottle of the unknown bike, mounting to the top tube means the piggyback needs to be under the main body of the shock, which again loses space. Look at my bike check to see a case of that, only the 450 ml fidlock bottle fits into my frame without modifications.
mitch on high-pivot cannondale in Missouri. he was DNF, wonder if it was from chain derail? from our vital raw - https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Vital-RAW-Big-Mountain-Enduro-MI…
The coulour was super similar to the yeti turquoise.
Luckily as I can save some of my face this way, otherwise I'd be screwed 😂
Yeah, don't really see the point in it. True, you need a new adapter, but at least it is a whole distinct rotor size, 200 and 203 are sooooo close it's stupid not to consolidate them into one, even more so when 185 died out for the universal acceptance of the 180 size. And that's my gripe, shimano sells separate 20 and 23 mm adapters if I'm not mistaken, at least just add some spacers and consolidate the two into one part?
EDIT: I see I wrote spacers in the previous post, I meant washers, but I was typing it out on my phone while actually pretending to do some work
They will most likely also release them as core models (similar to the Jeffsy).
Bit surprised to see that they still do not offer the TUES with mixed wheel sizes.
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