What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good...
What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good looking color scheme & sticker/paint patter in years over there.
Meanwhile YT is making bikes with no logos that look sexy as crap. I mean, even Kona is making good looking bikes now with the "less is more" graphics.
It’s Jenn Gabrielli “Creative Director” aka Jeff Steber’s Wife. So she’s not going anywhere anytime and I wouldn’t expect the bikes to be getting any better looking anytime soon either. I’m with you on the - less is more - thing though. Currently drooling over Transition’s clean strait lines and limited graphics.
The best looking Intense was the first carbon TracerT275 in Black/Red. There has not been an attractive one since.
Cabirou on new TRP brakes? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/29/10649/s1200_F12F1A73_4709_4ED7_9F86_734A3F550C82.jpg[/img]
Cabirou on new TRP brakes?
I think it’s because the team is now sponsored by shimano . She should be rocking some of their brakes and some different rims but probably hasn’t had the chance to make those changes yet
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.
The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within...
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.
The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within reason is the secret sauce.
But Steve from Vorsprung and Team robot said pedal kickback is a myth, like Santa Claus and Evil Warranties
Your right, pedal kick doesn't have much impact on the way a bike rides however when you get into high pivot territory the anti-squat starts to grow very quickly. You get bikes that pedal like a worm. https://youtu.be/DwlC_cGtofE
Go to 6 min to see a bike with 200% anti-squat.
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.
The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within...
Pedal kickback isn't the issue they are solving but it's a welcome gain.
The benefits of rearward axle path and lengthening the CS under compression within reason is the secret sauce.
Your right, pedal kick doesn't have much impact on the way a bike rides however when you get into high pivot territory the anti-squat starts to...
Your right, pedal kick doesn't have much impact on the way a bike rides however when you get into high pivot territory the anti-squat starts to grow very quickly. You get bikes that pedal like a worm. https://youtu.be/DwlC_cGtofE
Go to 6 min to see a bike with 200% anti-squat.
It’s Jenn Gabrielli “Creative Director” aka Jeff Steber’s Wife. So she’s not going anywhere anytime and I wouldn’t expect the bikes to be getting any better...
It’s Jenn Gabrielli “Creative Director” aka Jeff Steber’s Wife. So she’s not going anywhere anytime and I wouldn’t expect the bikes to be getting any better looking anytime soon either. I’m with you on the - less is more - thing though. Currently drooling over Transition’s clean strait lines and limited graphics.
The best looking Intense was the first carbon TracerT275 in Black/Red. There has not been an attractive one since.
I may be biased because this is my current bike but I think this may be the best looking bike intense has made (at least in the last few years). I still like looking at mine.
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/28/10646/s1200_5CAE026F_25A4_445D_808C_8664B95EDF68.jpg[/img]
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far
What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good...
What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good looking color scheme & sticker/paint patter in years over there.
Meanwhile YT is making bikes with no logos that look sexy as crap. I mean, even Kona is making good looking bikes now with the "less is more" graphics.
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use crazy patterns and paint jobs that make it difficult for cameras to autofocus when the car is in motion, which allows them to hide new features/styles.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
Well, on an idlerless layout, the pedal kickback and antisquat values will be, for the most part, connected. It's the chain pulling on the suspension that gives antisquat and it can only have an effect if the length of it changes through the travel, which causes pedal kickback.
But there are two antisquat components, an inherent suspension geometry component (which would be seen with an in-hub motor) and the before mentioned chain caused component. Most bikes have a small level of geometric antisquat, while high pivot bikes have a much higher level, the higher the pivot, the higher the antisquat. This is caused by the rear wheel trying to fold itself under the BB due to the relative height difference between the pivot and rear axle.
A high pivot, idlerless DH bike would pedal shitty, but honestly, it's much less of an issue on a DH bike that it would be on a trail bike. On the other hand an idler is much more at home on a DH bike (noise and efficiency wise) than on a trail bike, so there's that... I'd be really surprised if lowering the pedal kickback on high pivot bikes wasn't high on the list of priorities for bike designers (case in point, Canyon's decoupler hub and Gwin's chainless comments about freeing up the bike - an idler can give similar results with adequate antisquat values), though the pivot height is a factor here. A Zerode DH bike would be COMPLETELY unrideable without routing the chain around the main pivot. The Supreme would snap chains and derailleurs too. This trek and the GT for example? It might just work without an idler. Probably not well, but nevertheless work.
Sr suntour's new coil shock
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/30/10651/s1200_Screenshot_20210330_183536_com.instagram.android.jpg[/img]
Sr suntour's new coil shock
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/30/10651/s1200_Screenshot_20210330_183536_com.instagram.android.jpg[/img]
The shock was shown in the 2020 Werx camp:
https://www.srsuntour.com/news/details/news/sr-suntour-werx-camp-2020/
Not a lot of details, but at least we know the shock is called Voro Coil...
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use...
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use crazy patterns and paint jobs that make it difficult for cameras to autofocus when the car is in motion, which allows them to hide new features/styles.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
Want to be clear. I love Intense bikes, the brand, Jeff & Jenn all the way back to when Greg Wulff worked there before sliding over to Turner. Just haven't been a paint scheme/sticker fan on the models I've lusted over in many years.
I owe my start in DH & serious trail riding to them. He gave me my first Grassroots bike. Had team colors, gave us Intense team jerseys that his top pros were wearing & Jeff worked on my bike himself at this National like I mattered.
Would love to rep the brand again but budget has kept me out of the fold for a few years. Long live Intense
Sr suntour's new coil shock
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/30/10651/s1200_Screenshot_20210330_183536_com.instagram.android.jpg[/img]
The shock was shown in the 2020 Werx camp:
https://www.srsuntour.com/news/details/news/sr-suntour-werx-camp-2020/
Not a lot of details, but at least we know the shock is called Voro Coil...
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/28/10646/s1200_5CAE026F_25A4_445D_808C_8664B95EDF68.jpg[/img]
Definitely has the aesthetics. Might be there best looking trail/enduro bike they've made so far
What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good...
What keeps an Intense from being ugly is to keep the guy in the paint/sticker department the hell away from the designs.
Not seen a good looking color scheme & sticker/paint patter in years over there.
Meanwhile YT is making bikes with no logos that look sexy as crap. I mean, even Kona is making good looking bikes now with the "less is more" graphics.
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use...
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use crazy patterns and paint jobs that make it difficult for cameras to autofocus when the car is in motion, which allows them to hide new features/styles.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
If it’s in carbon then it ain’t a prototype for much longer. Clearly the current graphics are means to an end, most likely trying to confuse the eye and keep us guessing....a-la the dazzle camo featured on automotive test mules...it in itself derived from Dazzle Camo used by Navy Warships throughout history to confuse and disorient potential attackers. All in all that bike looks really good IMO. I just hope they don’t go with their absurd aesthetic design that were all used to (ridiculous colors, ridiculously huge INTENSE plastered all over the bike and ridiculous racing stripes and such). Just give us a monochromatic frame with a reasonable logo and keep the racing stripes to a bare minimum....looking at you too Pivot.
Sr suntour's new coil shock
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/30/10651/s1200_Screenshot_20210330_183536_com.instagram.android.jpg[/img]
The shock was shown in the 2020 Werx camp:
https://www.srsuntour.com/news/details/news/sr-suntour-werx-camp-2020/
Not a lot of details, but at least we know the shock is called Voro Coil...
Two Norco prototypes in one video. There is even a sticker with the name on the left one. But not readable. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/31/10653/s1200_Next_Peak_No_Other_Way_Feature.mkv_snapshot_00.58_2021.03.31_11.10.44.jpg[/img]
Video [url=https://youtu.be/Nps4IMyD3MY]here[/url].
Two Norco prototypes in one video. There is even a sticker with the name on the left one. But not readable.
Video here.
New Range... was supposed to be out by now but I believe it's a 2022 release
Two Norco prototypes in one video. There is even a sticker with the name on the left one. But not readable. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/03/31/10653/s1200_Next_Peak_No_Other_Way_Feature.mkv_snapshot_00.58_2021.03.31_11.10.44.jpg[/img]
Video [url=https://youtu.be/Nps4IMyD3MY]here[/url].
Two Norco prototypes in one video. There is even a sticker with the name on the left one. But not readable.
Video here.
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use...
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use crazy patterns and paint jobs that make it difficult for cameras to autofocus when the car is in motion, which allows them to hide new features/styles.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
Want to be clear. I love Intense bikes, the brand, Jeff & Jenn all the way back to when Greg Wulff worked there before sliding over...
Want to be clear. I love Intense bikes, the brand, Jeff & Jenn all the way back to when Greg Wulff worked there before sliding over to Turner. Just haven't been a paint scheme/sticker fan on the models I've lusted over in many years.
I owe my start in DH & serious trail riding to them. He gave me my first Grassroots bike. Had team colors, gave us Intense team jerseys that his top pros were wearing & Jeff worked on my bike himself at this National like I mattered.
Would love to rep the brand again but budget has kept me out of the fold for a few years. Long live Intense
It might be a look straight out of 2002 but I dig intense’s look in an otherwise mostly boring bike industry.
It also fits a brand that focuses on racing and decided to call itself intense. I can certainly see why it doesn’t appeal to everyone but boring bikes don’t appeal to me. Much preferred the busier paint schemes of Santa Cruz from 4 or 5 years ago then what they got going currently.
Personally trek has produced most of my favorite finishes. Things are never flashy like intense but never really boring either. Perfect balance of uniqueness, flash, and subtlety. Plus the whole project one thing is really damn cool and fairly reasonably priced considering the quality and convenience. I hope they start offering it frame only
It might be a look straight out of 2002 but I dig intense’s look in an otherwise mostly boring bike industry.
It also fits a brand...
It might be a look straight out of 2002 but I dig intense’s look in an otherwise mostly boring bike industry.
It also fits a brand that focuses on racing and decided to call itself intense. I can certainly see why it doesn’t appeal to everyone but boring bikes don’t appeal to me. Much preferred the busier paint schemes of Santa Cruz from 4 or 5 years ago then what they got going currently.
Personally trek has produced most of my favorite finishes. Things are never flashy like intense but never really boring either. Perfect balance of uniqueness, flash, and subtlety. Plus the whole project one thing is really damn cool and fairly reasonably priced considering the quality and convenience. I hope they start offering it frame only
The new santa cruz colors all seem to be inspired by the trouser section of a department store (bar a few bright colors)
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use...
Keep in mind, this is a prototype. Intense may be taking a page from automakers who use crazy paint jobs on pre-production test vehicles. They use crazy patterns and paint jobs that make it difficult for cameras to autofocus when the car is in motion, which allows them to hide new features/styles.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
Want to be clear. I love Intense bikes, the brand, Jeff & Jenn all the way back to when Greg Wulff worked there before sliding over...
Want to be clear. I love Intense bikes, the brand, Jeff & Jenn all the way back to when Greg Wulff worked there before sliding over to Turner. Just haven't been a paint scheme/sticker fan on the models I've lusted over in many years.
I owe my start in DH & serious trail riding to them. He gave me my first Grassroots bike. Had team colors, gave us Intense team jerseys that his top pros were wearing & Jeff worked on my bike himself at this National like I mattered.
Would love to rep the brand again but budget has kept me out of the fold for a few years. Long live Intense
@sinatorj I kept riding up the lift with this sicko who had nothing but dead fetus jokes and a perverse sense of humor. I blame him for the twisted number plate.
It might be a look straight out of 2002 but I dig intense’s look in an otherwise mostly boring bike industry.
It also fits a brand...
It might be a look straight out of 2002 but I dig intense’s look in an otherwise mostly boring bike industry.
It also fits a brand that focuses on racing and decided to call itself intense. I can certainly see why it doesn’t appeal to everyone but boring bikes don’t appeal to me. Much preferred the busier paint schemes of Santa Cruz from 4 or 5 years ago then what they got going currently.
Personally trek has produced most of my favorite finishes. Things are never flashy like intense but never really boring either. Perfect balance of uniqueness, flash, and subtlety. Plus the whole project one thing is really damn cool and fairly reasonably priced considering the quality and convenience. I hope they start offering it frame only
@sinatorj I kept riding up the lift with this sicko who had nothing but dead fetus jokes and a perverse sense of humor. I blame him...
@sinatorj I kept riding up the lift with this sicko who had nothing but dead fetus jokes and a perverse sense of humor. I blame him for the twisted number plate.
Wait but what if the new Norco is not a beefed up enduro/freeride bike but a slightly pedalable dh bike? I know it's a thin line between the two concepts, but that bike for sure looks like a "proper" dh one.
The best looking Intense was the first carbon TracerT275 in Black/Red. There has not been an attractive one since.
https://youtu.be/DwlC_cGtofE
Go to 6 min to see a bike with 200% anti-squat.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Bikes,3/Intense/Primer-Bandit-Limited-Edition,21748.
Obviously, Gwin is standing still and showing off the bike, but even the crazy paint job can help hide trade secrets.
Now, if this is a production paint job, I agree .... *puke*
But there are two antisquat components, an inherent suspension geometry component (which would be seen with an in-hub motor) and the before mentioned chain caused component. Most bikes have a small level of geometric antisquat, while high pivot bikes have a much higher level, the higher the pivot, the higher the antisquat. This is caused by the rear wheel trying to fold itself under the BB due to the relative height difference between the pivot and rear axle.
A high pivot, idlerless DH bike would pedal shitty, but honestly, it's much less of an issue on a DH bike that it would be on a trail bike. On the other hand an idler is much more at home on a DH bike (noise and efficiency wise) than on a trail bike, so there's that... I'd be really surprised if lowering the pedal kickback on high pivot bikes wasn't high on the list of priorities for bike designers (case in point, Canyon's decoupler hub and Gwin's chainless comments about freeing up the bike - an idler can give similar results with adequate antisquat values), though the pivot height is a factor here. A Zerode DH bike would be COMPLETELY unrideable without routing the chain around the main pivot. The Supreme would snap chains and derailleurs too. This trek and the GT for example? It might just work without an idler. Probably not well, but nevertheless work.
https://www.srsuntour.com/news/details/news/sr-suntour-werx-camp-2020/
Not a lot of details, but at least we know the shock is called Voro Coil, and it has low speed compression and rebound external adjusters.
I owe my start in DH & serious trail riding to them. He gave me my first Grassroots bike. Had team colors, gave us Intense team jerseys that his top pros were wearing & Jeff worked on my bike himself at this National like I mattered.
Would love to rep the brand again but budget has kept me out of the fold for a few years. Long live Intense
Video here.
It also fits a brand that focuses on racing and decided to call itself intense. I can certainly see why it doesn’t appeal to everyone but boring bikes don’t appeal to me. Much preferred the busier paint schemes of Santa Cruz from 4 or 5 years ago then what they got going currently.
Personally trek has produced most of my favorite finishes. Things are never flashy like intense but never really boring either. Perfect balance of uniqueness, flash, and subtlety. Plus the whole project one thing is really damn cool and fairly reasonably priced considering the quality and convenience. I hope they start offering it frame only
Forestal seem to get going!
Nice try Markus. Guerrilla marketing I can deal with, but presenting it from a punter's perspective is just cringy.
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