The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D
A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...
A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.
There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.
I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...
That looked pretty terrible.
* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots...
That looked pretty terrible.
* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there
But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast
* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)
Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.
If you have ever been to Loudenvielle, you will know they build some pretty sick trails. Promoter and local trail builders are very good. It is very steep there and the racers have a hard time with that aspect. We have been going there for that last number of years for enduro/EWS. Tracks have always been very challenging. Throw in some wet weather and you will see some insane racing!!! Gets really slick there!!!!
Will be a fun time this year with the DHer's joining us EDR peeps.
What are these "official" UCI broadcast boxes you speak of?
Loudenvielle track looks sick. Once a few hundred riders get on it it will be rough...
What are these "official" UCI broadcast boxes you speak of?
Loudenvielle track looks sick. Once a few hundred riders get on it it will be rough and gnarly. Always count on forums to jump to big conclusions After a single GoPro video on a brand new track.
Shades of the "they made Val de Sole smooth and easy!" discussion from a few weeks ago...
Shades of the "they made Val de Sole smooth and easy!" discussion from a few weeks ago...
Someone always thinks this about any new track based on helmet cam. It's hard to tell how steep it really is, and it starts smoothish even tho it'll get cut up with riders. I'd say the track looks great. It's nice to have a totally new course too, feels like it's been a while! Andorra was the last completely new one, right?
Edit: that woop section to speed check spine looks deliciously awkward. Riders will be throwing some great shapes over that!
That looked pretty terrible.
* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots...
That looked pretty terrible.
* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there
But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast
* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)
Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.
If you have ever been to Loudenvielle, you will know they build some pretty sick trails. Promoter and local trail builders are very good. It is...
If you have ever been to Loudenvielle, you will know they build some pretty sick trails. Promoter and local trail builders are very good. It is very steep there and the racers have a hard time with that aspect. We have been going there for that last number of years for enduro/EWS. Tracks have always been very challenging. Throw in some wet weather and you will see some insane racing!!! Gets really slick there!!!!
Will be a fun time this year with the DHer's joining us EDR peeps.
Had the opportunity to ride 1199, got some exclusive access because of a friend. I have never ridden hardline but I’m 100% certain 1199 is not even in the same league of gnar. We hit all the features. Found the second ladder drop to be harsh, and had to pull to get the triple after the first ladder drop. IMO the trail feels like a solid double black with a couple solid sends. Really really fun trail though. I hope they open it to the public. Whistler needs this trail
Nice trail but it seems opposite of what ESO are looking for, it's long, has dense trees, and a bunch of flatish traverses. It would be a nightmare to film a complete top-to-bottom run.
And Loic just posted his view of the Loudenville track.
There's a spot about halfway down where everyone is taking a wide right outside line around a very steep bit where straight down the face would be way faster. Perhaps that's where an earlier poster mentioned a two story drop?
Loudenville track looks a bit more interesting in loics video now that it’s getting ridden in. If the tape/netting stuff thats used at the world cups is in the same places as the poles are for this i think there might be a few complaints for it to be changed. Thinking more how that a few riders have said the new netting isn’t actually that safe
At Nationals, I happened to turn a corner, walk right into
A - "...we can send you some tires to test if you're interested"
B - "Sure"
Both parties looked up at me.
Felt like the kid walking into the middle school bathroom at the wrong time.
"I heard nothing."
Kept walking.
Fly on the wall here.
At Nationals, I happened to turn a corner, walk right into
A - "...we can send you some tires to test if...
Fly on the wall here.
At Nationals, I happened to turn a corner, walk right into
A - "...we can send you some tires to test if you're interested"
B - "Sure"
Both parties looked up at me.
Felt like the kid walking into the middle school bathroom at the wrong time.
"I heard nothing."
Kept walking.
That's just a silly clickbait question. It looks fun, but nowhere anywhere near Hardline. CLICK
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure hardline has the road gap and 90-ft jumps which are sensational features, but they get hit by everyone and don't seem to have much impact on the race. the 1199 looks so freaking steep and rough for A LONG time in sections. IMO that's gnarlier than fest-size jumps in the middle of the track.
again, internetter opinion which means absolutely nothing, but i didn't think it was a silly question.
edit - is bernard at crankworx? he'll be the decider if so LOL
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure...
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure hardline has the road gap and 90-ft jumps which are sensational features, but they get hit by everyone and don't seem to have much impact on the race. the 1199 looks so freaking steep and rough for A LONG time in sections. IMO that's gnarlier than fest-size jumps in the middle of the track.
again, internetter opinion which means absolutely nothing, but i didn't think it was a silly question.
edit - is bernard at crankworx? he'll be the decider if so LOL
I don't know....Jono Jones died on the 90 footers. He just had an archangel descend from heaven and put him back on earth.
Yeah. But it's one of those things where you walk up...you're like:
"Well...I could narc. But then...everyone would hate me. But boy...I just wanna blurt it out!"
Feel like Michael Scott when he found out about Stanley's girlfriend.
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure...
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure hardline has the road gap and 90-ft jumps which are sensational features, but they get hit by everyone and don't seem to have much impact on the race. the 1199 looks so freaking steep and rough for A LONG time in sections. IMO that's gnarlier than fest-size jumps in the middle of the track.
again, internetter opinion which means absolutely nothing, but i didn't think it was a silly question.
edit - is bernard at crankworx? he'll be the decider if so LOL
I don't know....Jono Jones died on the 90 footers. He just had an archangel descend from heaven and put him back on earth.
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being on par w/ whistler double black.
And Loic just posted his view of the Loudenville track.
There's a spot about halfway down where everyone is taking a wide right outside line around...
And Loic just posted his view of the Loudenville track.
There's a spot about halfway down where everyone is taking a wide right outside line around a very steep bit where straight down the face would be way faster. Perhaps that's where an earlier poster mentioned a two story drop?
did I count three step-downs in a row toward the bottom?
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure...
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure hardline has the road gap and 90-ft jumps which are sensational features, but they get hit by everyone and don't seem to have much impact on the race. the 1199 looks so freaking steep and rough for A LONG time in sections. IMO that's gnarlier than fest-size jumps in the middle of the track.
again, internetter opinion which means absolutely nothing, but i didn't think it was a silly question.
edit - is bernard at crankworx? he'll be the decider if so LOL
Nothing on the 1199 track looks remotely as bad as the rock garden before the hardline road gap. Or as high consequence as the on/off and 90 footers.
hell a lot of dudes don’t even make it to the first drop in the first woods come race day. Plus that welsh weather!
still the 1199 track is really good. Maybe that race before/after snowshoe is there but it seems like a haul to get there in one week.
Watched lew buchanans latest video of trackwalk on 1199, he mentioned that theres most likely going to be a world cup there in 2024, just thought id add that to go alongside remy metailers statement about it. Presuming if it happens its just the uci/eso trying to make the most out of riders having to make the trip to the states/canada
Track looks sick! Doesn't look incredibly hard to ride but racing it?! The fitness required to ride that top to bottom at race pace, insane. Looks punishing and it's going to get so torn up.
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being...
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being on par w/ whistler double black.
Hmm, I don't know, Rob didn't hit the big jumps on the 1199, but it appeared he rode most of the track on a Giant Reign with a single crown fork. Based on comments he's made I don't think he'd be up for riding any of the tech on the Hardline track on any bike, but definitely not on a single crown fork.
That track is great though, looking forward to seeing it raced.
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being...
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being on par w/ whistler double black.
Hmm, I don't know, Rob didn't hit the big jumps on the 1199, but it appeared he rode most of the track on a Giant Reign...
Hmm, I don't know, Rob didn't hit the big jumps on the 1199, but it appeared he rode most of the track on a Giant Reign with a single crown fork. Based on comments he's made I don't think he'd be up for riding any of the tech on the Hardline track on any bike, but definitely not on a single crown fork.
That track is great though, looking forward to seeing it raced.
Agreed, Rob is clearly a very experienced rider (as we all know) but I definitely don't see him riding Hardline, even on a proper DH bike.
Admittedly, I haven't ridden either course but having seen several of the Hardline track sections in person, I don't think the two compare that easily. 1199 looks gnarly as, but doesn't look to have quite the same 'sustained-gnar-to-insanely-massive-commiting-feature factor' that Hardline does.
If you have ever been to Loudenvielle, you will know they build some pretty sick trails. Promoter and local trail builders are very good. It is very steep there and the racers have a hard time with that aspect. We have been going there for that last number of years for enduro/EWS. Tracks have always been very challenging. Throw in some wet weather and you will see some insane racing!!! Gets really slick there!!!!
Will be a fun time this year with the DHer's joining us EDR peeps.
Shades of the "they made Val de Sole smooth and easy!" discussion from a few weeks ago...
Someone always thinks this about any new track based on helmet cam. It's hard to tell how steep it really is, and it starts smoothish even tho it'll get cut up with riders. I'd say the track looks great. It's nice to have a totally new course too, feels like it's been a while! Andorra was the last completely new one, right?
Edit: that woop section to speed check spine looks deliciously awkward. Riders will be throwing some great shapes over that!
Looks like some creative and hateful course taping to make riders work for their line. Love it.
remy metailler on 1199 whistler dh track, breaking down sections. he calls it a world cup track. does he know something we don't? : )
edit: just watched whole thing...holy crap that track is savage!
Look sick!
Agreed. Also, the foam block things they now use aren't there yet, so some of the places that look a bit straight line might be chicaned somewhat.
Had the opportunity to ride 1199, got some exclusive access because of a friend. I have never ridden hardline but I’m 100% certain 1199 is not even in the same league of gnar. We hit all the features. Found the second ladder drop to be harsh, and had to pull to get the triple after the first ladder drop. IMO the trail feels like a solid double black with a couple solid sends. Really really fun trail though. I hope they open it to the public. Whistler needs this trail
Nice trail but it seems opposite of what ESO are looking for, it's long, has dense trees, and a bunch of flatish traverses. It would be a nightmare to film a complete top-to-bottom run.
That's just a silly clickbait question. It looks fun, but nowhere anywhere near Hardline. CLICK
And Loic just posted his view of the Loudenville track.
There's a spot about halfway down where everyone is taking a wide right outside line around a very steep bit where straight down the face would be way faster. Perhaps that's where an earlier poster mentioned a two story drop?
Loudenville track looks a bit more interesting in loics video now that it’s getting ridden in. If the tape/netting stuff thats used at the world cups is in the same places as the poles are for this i think there might be a few complaints for it to be changed. Thinking more how that a few riders have said the new netting isn’t actually that safe
Fly on the wall here.
At Nationals, I happened to turn a corner, walk right into
A - "...we can send you some tires to test if you're interested"
B - "Sure"
Both parties looked up at me.
Felt like the kid walking into the middle school bathroom at the wrong time.
"I heard nothing."
Kept walking.
You're a tease, @bizutch .
i've never been to hardline nor have seen the 1199 (yet). watching the 1199 vid, i whole-heartedly think it's generally overall as gnarly as hardline. sure hardline has the road gap and 90-ft jumps which are sensational features, but they get hit by everyone and don't seem to have much impact on the race. the 1199 looks so freaking steep and rough for A LONG time in sections. IMO that's gnarlier than fest-size jumps in the middle of the track.
again, internetter opinion which means absolutely nothing, but i didn't think it was a silly question.
edit - is bernard at crankworx? he'll be the decider if so LOL
I don't know....Jono Jones died on the 90 footers. He just had an archangel descend from heaven and put him back on earth.
Yeah. But it's one of those things where you walk up...you're like:
"Well...I could narc. But then...everyone would hate me. But boy...I just wanna blurt it out!"
Feel like Michael Scott when he found out about Stanley's girlfriend.
But hey....I'm sure it was nothing.
i'm definitely not trying to say those jumps are insignificant in any way, shape or form. i just imagine most of the "tech" at hardline being on par w/ whistler double black.
did I count three step-downs in a row toward the bottom?
Nothing on the 1199 track looks remotely as bad as the rock garden before the hardline road gap. Or as high consequence as the on/off and 90 footers.
hell a lot of dudes don’t even make it to the first drop in the first woods come race day. Plus that welsh weather!
still the 1199 track is really good. Maybe that race before/after snowshoe is there but it seems like a haul to get there in one week.
Anybody know how to watch World Championships live early next month? All I can see is flobikes.com
Watched practice for a few this afternoon.
Watched lew buchanans latest video of trackwalk on 1199, he mentioned that theres most likely going to be a world cup there in 2024, just thought id add that to go alongside remy metailers statement about it. Presuming if it happens its just the uci/eso trying to make the most out of riders having to make the trip to the states/canada
i take it all back. if warner made it down, it's way too easy
Track looks sick! Doesn't look incredibly hard to ride but racing it?! The fitness required to ride that top to bottom at race pace, insane. Looks punishing and it's going to get so torn up.
Please reference an above comment about "Wanna keep my job."
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu-6uLyNpA7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
blenki just posted a pov of a run down 1199, track looks sick, world cup on that would be sooo cool
Hmm, I don't know, Rob didn't hit the big jumps on the 1199, but it appeared he rode most of the track on a Giant Reign with a single crown fork. Based on comments he's made I don't think he'd be up for riding any of the tech on the Hardline track on any bike, but definitely not on a single crown fork.
That track is great though, looking forward to seeing it raced.
Agreed, Rob is clearly a very experienced rider (as we all know) but I definitely don't see him riding Hardline, even on a proper DH bike.
Admittedly, I haven't ridden either course but having seen several of the Hardline track sections in person, I don't think the two compare that easily. 1199 looks gnarly as, but doesn't look to have quite the same 'sustained-gnar-to-insanely-massive-commiting-feature factor' that Hardline does.
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