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7/16/2023 8:14pm
 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane...

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 Richie Rude no longer has the Stars and Stripes jersey! Asa Vermette took the title at the age of 16!!! This kid is gonna be insane! He doesn’t even race enduro as his primary discipline!

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race. And now he is double national...

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

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7/17/2023 4:19am Edited Date/Time 7/17/2023 4:20am

Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which the race can be held (as soon as they have good enough conditions) so as to avoid this kind of situation. I think some ski/snowboard competitions do this. Tho admittedly, snow sports generally have a much narrower range of acceptable weather/snow/light conditions than biking does. They could put in gnarly rock gardens that by-pass the largest/most exposed jumps (and close jumps in case of high wind) and I'd still watch. It might make a wind race have a bit of an asterisk, but still better than completely canceling. 

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kcy4130 wrote:
Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which...

Seems like canceling hardline was the right call, but still sucks. I wonder if next year they'll have a window of a few days in which the race can be held (as soon as they have good enough conditions) so as to avoid this kind of situation. I think some ski/snowboard competitions do this. Tho admittedly, snow sports generally have a much narrower range of acceptable weather/snow/light conditions than biking does. They could put in gnarly rock gardens that by-pass the largest/most exposed jumps (and close jumps in case of high wind) and I'd still watch. It might make a wind race have a bit of an asterisk, but still better than completely canceling. 

Completely agree with all of this! They're already riding over around 5 days, so a couple of days practice and then a quali day. If weather looking poor for the following day, they run as a race day instead, or even the following day (Sunday). Also agree on the alternative lines, even if just for the two 90 footers and the road gap? Make them technical detours and it would still be awesome to watch with adverse weather.

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earleb wrote:
Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC...

Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC level event. This includes hosting regional, provincial, and national level UCI sanctioned events. WBP has been ticking off these boxes over the last number of years. 

In June they did a Canada Cup XC so checking off that national box. 

https://www.uci.org/competition-details/2023/MTB/69507

In 2022 they hosted BC Cup DH.

Let's hope they've ticked all the boxes 

If we look at the 2024 calendar there is a slim chance? 

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – EDR 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS – XCM 28-29.09.2024 Snowshoe (USA)

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

Whistler then Snowshoe then MSA? 

One Ghost wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in...

I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in time to set up. Also, Bromont has been putting in an epic amount of work this summer building new stuff and working on old stuff. 

Dave, I heard a whisper of Killington, not Bromont.  They just hosted an FIS Women's World Cup, so maybe feeling saucy?

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Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro...

Didn't the kid just win a BME in Durango as well? Granted, I think those were his home trails, but, an impressive recent run of enduro results. 

Anyone know the legit timing issues with the National Champs enduro? heard the last stage the timing broke and the 'backup' which might have been just wrist watches wasn't even optimal, throw in the fact that Richie lost by fraction of a second, has to be hard for Richie to swallow-but He has DH today right? 

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race. And now he is double national...

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be...

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

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Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race. And now he is double national...

Yep, Asa won the Purg BME on a new Frameworks enduro rig he put together two days before the race.

And now he is double national champ with his age group DH win. The kid has skills.

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be...

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

bizutch wrote:

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s.

At 16. 

The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's Enduro National Championship.

Wow...

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7/17/2023 10:03am
earleb wrote:
Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC...

Regarding Whistler and WC DH, regardless of how big Crankworx is they need to jump through all the UCI hoops to even apply for a WC level event. This includes hosting regional, provincial, and national level UCI sanctioned events. WBP has been ticking off these boxes over the last number of years. 

In June they did a Canada Cup XC so checking off that national box. 

https://www.uci.org/competition-details/2023/MTB/69507

In 2022 they hosted BC Cup DH.

Let's hope they've ticked all the boxes 

If we look at the 2024 calendar there is a slim chance? 

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 21-22.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – EDR 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 28-29.09.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS – XCM 28-29.09.2024 Snowshoe (USA)

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – XCO 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

UCI MTB WORLD CUP – DHI 05-06.10.2024 Outside Europe

Whistler then Snowshoe then MSA? 

One Ghost wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in...

I'm pretty sure it will be Bromont, Snowshoe, MSA. The travel time is too short to get rigs from the west coast to the east in time to set up. Also, Bromont has been putting in an epic amount of work this summer building new stuff and working on old stuff. 

bizutch wrote:

Dave, I heard a whisper of Killington, not Bromont.  They just hosted an FIS Women's World Cup, so maybe feeling saucy?

Killington would be sick and make sense also 

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7/17/2023 10:44am Edited Date/Time 7/17/2023 10:45am
I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be...

I was looking around for asa on the results sheets vital posted and it took me a second to realize he wasn’t old enough to be in those age brackets.

bizutch wrote:

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

Losifer wrote:
He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s. At 16.  The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's...

He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s.

At 16. 

The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's Enduro National Championship.

Wow...

I marshalled M2 at the chicane to log drop all weekend & would love to have set up my GoPro & done a line comparison there.

Pinkerton & Medcalf ran trains together non-stop and were hitting an inside rock tip to avoid the off camber chicane as opposed to the Pro class most all running the wide line.

I would be willing to put money on that 1.3 seconds all being that line choice. Swing wide, drift the edge of traction and then line up to hop a rock hole, down the back side of the rocks and off the log drop, through a dip and back off an uphill booter to flat ground.

Pinkerton & Medcalf came in hot, smacked the inside rock (shorter distance, no chicane) then had to pull hard to hop the hole and then down the back to the log drop.  I just wanted to tell both of them that was slowing them down for the log drop AND the g-out all the way back up to the little kicker to flat.  Going wide Pros pulled over the hole and gained speed all the way through the dip and back up over the kicker.  But they weren't racing in the same class, so didn't matter in the grand scheme.

It was one of those "I see what's faster, but I ain't telling a pair of badass teens a damn thing".

I posted a video on IG of Dak's race run there. He boosted the hole so hard in his race run it made him JUMP down the bank to flat land AT the log drop then sent him wide right off the log so huge and into the flat of the dip, burped his tire...and STILL finished within 2 seconds of winning.
He mentioned jacking his hand up somehow prior to final practice, but rest assured Norton was fastest on track all weekend.  

Rude had the line of the weekend there though.  He bunny hopped the pole I had to constantly reset AND got backside down the bank.  Did it his first practice run but just the one time. BIG BOSS move

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7/17/2023 11:15am
bizutch wrote:

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

Losifer wrote:
He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s. At 16.  The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's...

He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s.

At 16. 

The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's Enduro National Championship.

Wow...

bizutch wrote:
I marshalled M2 at the chicane to log drop all weekend & would love to have set up my GoPro & done a line comparison there...

I marshalled M2 at the chicane to log drop all weekend & would love to have set up my GoPro & done a line comparison there.

Pinkerton & Medcalf ran trains together non-stop and were hitting an inside rock tip to avoid the off camber chicane as opposed to the Pro class most all running the wide line.

I would be willing to put money on that 1.3 seconds all being that line choice. Swing wide, drift the edge of traction and then line up to hop a rock hole, down the back side of the rocks and off the log drop, through a dip and back off an uphill booter to flat ground.

Pinkerton & Medcalf came in hot, smacked the inside rock (shorter distance, no chicane) then had to pull hard to hop the hole and then down the back to the log drop.  I just wanted to tell both of them that was slowing them down for the log drop AND the g-out all the way back up to the little kicker to flat.  Going wide Pros pulled over the hole and gained speed all the way through the dip and back up over the kicker.  But they weren't racing in the same class, so didn't matter in the grand scheme.

It was one of those "I see what's faster, but I ain't telling a pair of badass teens a damn thing".

I posted a video on IG of Dak's race run there. He boosted the hole so hard in his race run it made him JUMP down the bank to flat land AT the log drop then sent him wide right off the log so huge and into the flat of the dip, burped his tire...and STILL finished within 2 seconds of winning.
He mentioned jacking his hand up somehow prior to final practice, but rest assured Norton was fastest on track all weekend.  

Rude had the line of the weekend there though.  He bunny hopped the pole I had to constantly reset AND got backside down the bank.  Did it his first practice run but just the one time. BIG BOSS move

Rad, thank you for the insight!

7/17/2023 12:09pm
bizutch wrote:

He's not even in Junior X yet. He's in 14-16. 

Losifer wrote:
He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s. At 16.  The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's...

He would have finished second to Ryan Pinkerton in Jr Elite by 1.3s.

At 16. 

The day after beating Richie Rude to win the Pro Men's Enduro National Championship.

Wow...

bizutch wrote:
I marshalled M2 at the chicane to log drop all weekend & would love to have set up my GoPro & done a line comparison there...

I marshalled M2 at the chicane to log drop all weekend & would love to have set up my GoPro & done a line comparison there.

Pinkerton & Medcalf ran trains together non-stop and were hitting an inside rock tip to avoid the off camber chicane as opposed to the Pro class most all running the wide line.

I would be willing to put money on that 1.3 seconds all being that line choice. Swing wide, drift the edge of traction and then line up to hop a rock hole, down the back side of the rocks and off the log drop, through a dip and back off an uphill booter to flat ground.

Pinkerton & Medcalf came in hot, smacked the inside rock (shorter distance, no chicane) then had to pull hard to hop the hole and then down the back to the log drop.  I just wanted to tell both of them that was slowing them down for the log drop AND the g-out all the way back up to the little kicker to flat.  Going wide Pros pulled over the hole and gained speed all the way through the dip and back up over the kicker.  But they weren't racing in the same class, so didn't matter in the grand scheme.

It was one of those "I see what's faster, but I ain't telling a pair of badass teens a damn thing".

I posted a video on IG of Dak's race run there. He boosted the hole so hard in his race run it made him JUMP down the bank to flat land AT the log drop then sent him wide right off the log so huge and into the flat of the dip, burped his tire...and STILL finished within 2 seconds of winning.
He mentioned jacking his hand up somehow prior to final practice, but rest assured Norton was fastest on track all weekend.  

Rude had the line of the weekend there though.  He bunny hopped the pole I had to constantly reset AND got backside down the bank.  Did it his first practice run but just the one time. BIG BOSS move

I watched the top 5 at this spot too.  Austin and Dante looked similar (even if everybody was cheering for Luca when it was Dante ;-) Smashing rocks pretty hard. Luca Shaw was so impressive, not a sound, effortless, flying over the rocks. levitating over holes, a masterclass  of being gentle on the bike and the track. Then came Dak, it looked like Hulk wanting to break the earth crust, he is riding his bike like it would be a 450 or a monster truck, he was the only one to huck to flat over features everybody else was rolling over.. I was shocked by the violence ;-) Pretty crazy that such different riding style are only a couple seconds different at the finish line.. DH is rad!
 

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I watched the top 5 at this spot too.  Austin and Dante looked similar (even if everybody was cheering for Luca when it was Dante ;-)...

I watched the top 5 at this spot too.  Austin and Dante looked similar (even if everybody was cheering for Luca when it was Dante ;-) Smashing rocks pretty hard. Luca Shaw was so impressive, not a sound, effortless, flying over the rocks. levitating over holes, a masterclass  of being gentle on the bike and the track. Then came Dak, it looked like Hulk wanting to break the earth crust, he is riding his bike like it would be a 450 or a monster truck, he was the only one to huck to flat over features everybody else was rolling over.. I was shocked by the violence ;-) Pretty crazy that such different riding style are only a couple seconds different at the finish line.. DH is rad!
 

Dak's normal line at the log drop was so much faster. Hate he wound up over there to the right.

I figured out how to link my story Clip of it.  He bottomed out so hard & you could hear his knobs ripppp to grab traction & the tire burp. 

https://www.instagram.com/stories/bizutch/3148400919251652353/

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7/18/2023 2:55pm

Can we get more info on Asa? Anytime a kid at the age of 16 shows this much promise its fun to hear some background. 

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Can we get more info on Asa? Anytime a kid at the age of 16 shows this much promise its fun to hear some background. 

The Vermettes recently moved to Cortez from Durango so that they could ride moto year round(like the Tomacs!).

According to his dad he doesn’t really do any other training besides riding moto and having fun on his bicycles, he played rec soccer for 12 years, and around the time he quit soccer they started homeschooling him so he has more time for mid-day moto.

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Antione vidal posted a video on ig of a pov of the new world cup dh track in loudenville. Looks extremely flowy and very one line only for a decent amount of the track. Once they get into the tech it looks mint though. The finish is a bit debatable for safety though…

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Can we get more info on Asa? Anytime a kid at the age of 16 shows this much promise its fun to hear some background. 

On the same topic of fast kids who will be at world cup age next year, keep an eye out for tyler waite and oli clark from nz. Both have done incredibly well in the New Zealand dh scene often challenging or beating times of elite riders. Tyler also managed a clean sweep in pump track, dual slalom and dh at crankworx cairns for u17. They’re gonna have a significant impact on the world cup junior scene most likely 

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the DHSE crew knocking it out of the park with a national champs race replay!

 

 

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7/19/2023 7:37am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2023 7:38am

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

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Can we get more info on Asa? Anytime a kid at the age of 16 shows this much promise its fun to hear some background. 

dylanjp006 wrote:
On the same topic of fast kids who will be at world cup age next year, keep an eye out for tyler waite and oli clark...

On the same topic of fast kids who will be at world cup age next year, keep an eye out for tyler waite and oli clark from nz. Both have done incredibly well in the New Zealand dh scene often challenging or beating times of elite riders. Tyler also managed a clean sweep in pump track, dual slalom and dh at crankworx cairns for u17. They’re gonna have a significant impact on the world cup junior scene most likely 

Thanks for the heads up!

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Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

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7/19/2023 11:16am

that bottom half lof loudenvielle looks nuts! should be exciting.

while i wouldn't want every track to be this way, i'm a fan of the prolonged "one line" sections. those are the sections where rider X will go faster by 1 or 2 seconds over everyone else and the field will be scratching their heads as to how.

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sspomer wrote:
the DHSE crew knocking it out of the park with a national champs race replay!    

the DHSE crew knocking it out of the park with a national champs race replay!

 

 

If you want a fun drinking game...line up 2 dozen shots.
Play Silva's run...and take one every time you hear "Go Luca".

Love the swagger at the end when Luca said he plans to never wear the sleeve b/c he wants to win the World's jersey instead. 


 

 

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Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

All I can hope for is Sam Hill is healed up and ready to go for that track…

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Can we get more info on Asa? Anytime a kid at the age of 16 shows this much promise its fun to hear some background. 

dylanjp006 wrote:
On the same topic of fast kids who will be at world cup age next year, keep an eye out for tyler waite and oli clark...

On the same topic of fast kids who will be at world cup age next year, keep an eye out for tyler waite and oli clark from nz. Both have done incredibly well in the New Zealand dh scene often challenging or beating times of elite riders. Tyler also managed a clean sweep in pump track, dual slalom and dh at crankworx cairns for u17. They’re gonna have a significant impact on the world cup junior scene most likely 

Also Camden Rutherford, he is only like 13 or something but the kid is insanely fast and skilled on a bike.

I'm pretty sure Bernard Kerr has him under his wing somewhat, see what happens. The future of NZ DH looks good.

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Also Camden Rutherford, he is only like 13 or something but the kid is insanely fast and skilled on a bike. I'm pretty sure Bernard Kerr...

Also Camden Rutherford, he is only like 13 or something but the kid is insanely fast and skilled on a bike.

I'm pretty sure Bernard Kerr has him under his wing somewhat, see what happens. The future of NZ DH looks good.

Yeah camdens super pinned, he just won at canadian national champs the other day, think in the u15 category. Hes 14 now, theres a 15 year old named jonty Williamson whos been battling it out with camden over the most recent dh season here. Was very close between the two but jonty ended up taking the overall for u15 cat in nzdh last year. Gonna be interesting watching those two at world cup level given their only a year apart 

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Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

That looked pretty terrible. 

* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there

But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast

* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)

Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.

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Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

Kusa wrote:
That looked pretty terrible.  * one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start * no rocks, roots...

That looked pretty terrible. 

* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there

But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast

* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)

Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.

I was thinking the same, pretty one line, apart from a few brief sections off a ski run it looks rather unexciting.

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7/19/2023 8:48pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2023 8:49pm
Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

Kusa wrote:
That looked pretty terrible.  * one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start * no rocks, roots...

That looked pretty terrible. 

* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there

But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast

* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)

Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.

Lots Of technicality in that track.  I’m far more interested in corners and jumps that will actually separate riders than rock gardens.

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7/19/2023 10:01pm
Kusa wrote:
That looked pretty terrible.  * one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start * no rocks, roots...

That looked pretty terrible. 

* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there

But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast

* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)

Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.

The ending doesn’t seem that well done either, turns into single track for a bit then could easily see some crashes happening on the final jump into the finish

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7/19/2023 11:07pm
Mugen wrote:
The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda...

The Vidal video of Loudenville mentioned above: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cu4J3aUrksd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

A bunch of French riders have been on it, consensus seems to be that some parts are kinda straight line hyperspeed through grass, then some parts are the steepest and most off camber sections of the year.

There are two points where Vidal slows down to roll some natural drop offs, word on the street is that if the top boys start hucking they will be dropping the equivalent of a two story building before hitting the ground.

I'm going to stay optimistic and say this could be a nice "les gets" type track, and camera coverage should be brilliant as there's basically no trees...

That track looks absolutely mint.  Should be the race of the year if everyone gets the same weather.

Kusa wrote:
That looked pretty terrible.  * one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start * no rocks, roots...

That looked pretty terrible. 

* one long line section with no other lines for a very very long time from the start
* no rocks, roots, nothing, not a simple bit of a technical terrain (yes, at the bottom it was steep and there were jumps)
* off cambers would most likely not allow for a race if rainy conditions the way they placed the track there

But on the other hand that track ticks all the boxes for the new UCI format, especially for broadcast

* full access to the track since it is on an open hill
* fast, very fast (if dry)

Pretty disappointed knowing what France can offer. I wish I was wrong.

What are these "official" UCI broadcast boxes you speak of? 

Loudenvielle track looks sick. Once a few hundred riders get on it it will be rough and gnarly. Always count on forums to jump to big conclusions After a single GoPro video on a brand new track.

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