If You Could Change One Current MTB Standard...

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3/18/2024 9:19am
HexonJuan wrote:
Airdrop, Banshee, and Knolly are options for dual 27s, and the bikes all look solid. I ended up nabbing a Status frame, running a 29 fork with a...

Airdrop, Banshee, and Knolly are options for dual 27s, and the bikes all look solid. I ended up nabbing a Status frame, running a 29 fork with a Production Privee lower cup extender to run a 27 up front. Haven't done the trig on it but the bike rides wicked fun, which is way more important than what a geo chart says. 

 

LePigPen wrote:
Like old ones? Not seeing any dual 27 for Airdrop atm. Also these bikes price-wise kinda fall in the 'so expensive I could just get a...

Like old ones? Not seeing any dual 27 for Airdrop atm. Also these bikes price-wise kinda fall in the 'so expensive I could just get a pivot/yeti' category. Or at least a Norco Shore or Transition Scout. But yeah they're on my radar. Just way far off from center due to less availability in SoCal and fairly expensive MSRP.

I'm also addicted to older/conservative geometry and short chainstays so... Its basically old Kona Processes for me until I run out. Gonna be in my retirement home with a 2020 p153 sayin 'they dont make em like these bad boys back in the day'

HexonJuan wrote:
The Edit and Slacker from Airdrop are both 27s, but I get your drift on pricing. FWIW, I've a Trance X29 and the only neg I...

The Edit and Slacker from Airdrop are both 27s, but I get your drift on pricing. FWIW, I've a Trance X29 and the only neg I have with it is the low stack, solved by a 60mm rise bar. For what they have the 27.5s going for now, I'd say they're worth a look.

Yeah I would almost certainly have that Trance right now if it wasn't for that Kona sale. And I'd still love to try it to compare to the Kona but... Don't wanna risk doing it at sale cost and can't imagine I'm finding a demo of it somewhere. Even at a shop, those cheaper models don't last in store.

I'm fairly settled with the Kona, but I could see myself going Marin Rift Zone. Or eventually just dropping the act and going 29 again. I've had 29 I just... Feel like the bike rides itself. And the only solution is seeking out harder trails which is a gamble. I'd rather enjoy lesser trails than feel the need to drive to the chunkiest trails to feel something lol

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3/18/2024 2:11pm
LePigPen wrote:
Like old ones? Not seeing any dual 27 for Airdrop atm. Also these bikes price-wise kinda fall in the 'so expensive I could just get a...

Like old ones? Not seeing any dual 27 for Airdrop atm. Also these bikes price-wise kinda fall in the 'so expensive I could just get a pivot/yeti' category. Or at least a Norco Shore or Transition Scout. But yeah they're on my radar. Just way far off from center due to less availability in SoCal and fairly expensive MSRP.

I'm also addicted to older/conservative geometry and short chainstays so... Its basically old Kona Processes for me until I run out. Gonna be in my retirement home with a 2020 p153 sayin 'they dont make em like these bad boys back in the day'

HexonJuan wrote:
The Edit and Slacker from Airdrop are both 27s, but I get your drift on pricing. FWIW, I've a Trance X29 and the only neg I...

The Edit and Slacker from Airdrop are both 27s, but I get your drift on pricing. FWIW, I've a Trance X29 and the only neg I have with it is the low stack, solved by a 60mm rise bar. For what they have the 27.5s going for now, I'd say they're worth a look.

LePigPen wrote:
Yeah I would almost certainly have that Trance right now if it wasn't for that Kona sale. And I'd still love to try it to compare...

Yeah I would almost certainly have that Trance right now if it wasn't for that Kona sale. And I'd still love to try it to compare to the Kona but... Don't wanna risk doing it at sale cost and can't imagine I'm finding a demo of it somewhere. Even at a shop, those cheaper models don't last in store.

I'm fairly settled with the Kona, but I could see myself going Marin Rift Zone. Or eventually just dropping the act and going 29 again. I've had 29 I just... Feel like the bike rides itself. And the only solution is seeking out harder trails which is a gamble. I'd rather enjoy lesser trails than feel the need to drive to the chunkiest trails to feel something lol

The Rift Zone is a solid choice, sensible 'standards' (threaded BB, press in headset, eyelet shock). The only gripe I had with my 29" version was the seat tube kink limiting insertion. A buddy has the 27" model, and the seat tube is much straighter. 

3/18/2024 2:12pm
smelly wrote:
I think it’s time to change water bottle boss spacing.  shits been the same for at least 40 years now with no competition. This is the...

I think it’s time to change water bottle boss spacing. 
shits been the same for at least 40 years now with no competition. This is the final frontier of MTB innovation. 

You're a God damn monster. 

Water bottle boss' are literally the only universal thing on bikes. 

Don't shout too loud, or someone will change the 9/16" pedal thread. 

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3/21/2024 2:46am
smelly wrote:
I think it’s time to change water bottle boss spacing.  shits been the same for at least 40 years now with no competition. This is the...

I think it’s time to change water bottle boss spacing. 
shits been the same for at least 40 years now with no competition. This is the final frontier of MTB innovation. 

You're a God damn monster. 

Water bottle boss' are literally the only universal thing on bikes. 

Don't shout too loud, or someone will change the 9/16" pedal thread. 

We should draw up a table of things that are constant, and convince Scott or any of the other egregious firms (like all the road bikes) that there is hidden performance behind ditching these antiquated standards. 

Like why are we still using Allen bolts for everything, surely we can swap to Torx or even better Square safety heads. 

Forget pedals threads, pedals should be press fit, it enables us to make lighter cranks by not having threaded inserts. 

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3/21/2024 3:22am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2024 3:23am

I'm down to go with mostly torx bolts. I hate stripped Allen heads...

As for pedal threads, Google Shimano Dynadrive

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3/21/2024 3:50pm

You're a God damn monster. 

Water bottle boss' are literally the only universal thing on bikes. 

Don't shout too loud, or someone will change the 9/16" pedal thread. 

We should draw up a table of things that are constant, and convince Scott or any of the other egregious firms (like all the road bikes)...

We should draw up a table of things that are constant, and convince Scott or any of the other egregious firms (like all the road bikes) that there is hidden performance behind ditching these antiquated standards. 

Like why are we still using Allen bolts for everything, surely we can swap to Torx or even better Square safety heads. 

Forget pedals threads, pedals should be press fit, it enables us to make lighter cranks by not having threaded inserts. 

22.2mm bar clamp 

7mm saddle rails

Schrader valves for suspension 

Spoke hole drilling in hub flanges 

Yeah... There are ways a dedicated Scott employee could ruin this. 

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3/22/2024 9:41am

Plugs to plug rim holes instead of rim tape 

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3/23/2024 2:44am

I yearn for the day someone makes a spoke plug for tubeless applications... 

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3/23/2024 6:24am

You know, those spoke hole plugs could still be useful when paired with rim tape to protect against the dreaded broken spoke/flat tire tubeless tragedy. A lot of race runs and bike rides have ended because someone popped a spoke and it blew through their rim tape from the inside. Dak Norton says he always runs a double layer of gorilla tape under his actual tubeless tape for extra protection from wayward spokes. The Velocity plugs would be a much more elegant solution.

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
You know, those spoke hole plugs could still be useful when paired with rim tape to protect against the dreaded broken spoke/flat tire tubeless tragedy. A...

You know, those spoke hole plugs could still be useful when paired with rim tape to protect against the dreaded broken spoke/flat tire tubeless tragedy. A lot of race runs and bike rides have ended because someone popped a spoke and it blew through their rim tape from the inside. Dak Norton says he always runs a double layer of gorilla tape under his actual tubeless tape for extra protection from wayward spokes. The Velocity plugs would be a much more elegant solution.

In the spirit of this thread I took that great idea and invented a new rim with no spoke holes on the outside circumference, instead we've bonded the nipples inside the rim permanently via a washer (so it can spin) so the nipples are permanently fixed to the rim and simply insert your spoke and away you go. No rim tape necessary. 

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In the spirit of this thread I took that great idea and invented a new rim with no spoke holes on the outside circumference, instead we've...

In the spirit of this thread I took that great idea and invented a new rim with no spoke holes on the outside circumference, instead we've bonded the nipples inside the rim permanently via a washer (so it can spin) so the nipples are permanently fixed to the rim and simply insert your spoke and away you go. No rim tape necessary. 

Road wheels are already ahead of you. Campagnolo got their Aero Mo Mag system for hidden nipple and continuous rim bed except for the air valve hole. So no need for rim tape.

https://www.campagnolo.com/ca-en/products/aero-mo-mag/0115.html

And older system needed to guide the nipple from the air valve hole to it's correct position with a magnet. Would make for a fun time doing rebuild during a race weekend.

And if the wheel if fully carbon and there is no need for spoke nipple and and spoke hole in the rim bed like the partington wheels

 

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3/26/2024 7:25am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
You know, those spoke hole plugs could still be useful when paired with rim tape to protect against the dreaded broken spoke/flat tire tubeless tragedy. A...

You know, those spoke hole plugs could still be useful when paired with rim tape to protect against the dreaded broken spoke/flat tire tubeless tragedy. A lot of race runs and bike rides have ended because someone popped a spoke and it blew through their rim tape from the inside. Dak Norton says he always runs a double layer of gorilla tape under his actual tubeless tape for extra protection from wayward spokes. The Velocity plugs would be a much more elegant solution.

As a guy who had a pal have that happen at about the halfway point of a 25mi ride and then the following week had it happen to me on my commute, yes. Yes indeed. Those experiences also made me consider that straight pull spokes may also play into things.

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3/26/2024 7:32am

I pushed 4 plugs into a nonexisting hole (made my own effectively) next to te tyre bead because I managed open up my rim right across a spoke hole, splitting apart the tubeless tape. 30 vertical meters into the descent. 

Having a snugly fitted plug in there would likely get me to the bottom of the ride. Found the split rim tape when I took everything apart at home of course... 

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