Makes total sense. Being a part of the whole motobro big truck culture (no judgement, I'm a southerner) has to be a little weird in a...
Makes total sense. Being a part of the whole motobro big truck culture (no judgement, I'm a southerner) has to be a little weird in a place like Southern California. Montana and Tenner seem like much better fits for someone like Gwin.
Also: I imagine that having two houses in Montana and Tenn is way more sustainable as he starts a family than one massive house in California. On top of that, his days of million dollar contracts aren't going to last forever (if they even still exists). He needs to be setting himself up for the long term now.
Living in Northwest Arkansas, we get a TON of transplants from the west coast (and Austin) who are blown away by how far their dollars go here in comparison. Of course, the irony is that it feels REALLY expensive here now than it has in the past thanks to all these folks moving here.
I would contend Southern California is the galactic HQ of motobro big truck culture.
Oh, yeah. I totally agree with that... but it's also a weird fit for current culture of SoCo. I can see how a lot of those dudes are like 'git me the hell out of here."
Makes total sense. Being a part of the whole motobro big truck culture (no judgement, I'm a southerner) has to be a little weird in a...
Makes total sense. Being a part of the whole motobro big truck culture (no judgement, I'm a southerner) has to be a little weird in a place like Southern California. Montana and Tenner seem like much better fits for someone like Gwin.
Also: I imagine that having two houses in Montana and Tenn is way more sustainable as he starts a family than one massive house in California. On top of that, his days of million dollar contracts aren't going to last forever (if they even still exists). He needs to be setting himself up for the long term now.
Living in Northwest Arkansas, we get a TON of transplants from the west coast (and Austin) who are blown away by how far their dollars go here in comparison. Of course, the irony is that it feels REALLY expensive here now than it has in the past thanks to all these folks moving here.
Oh, yeah. I totally agree with that... but it's also a weird fit for current culture of SoCo. I can see how a lot of those...
Oh, yeah. I totally agree with that... but it's also a weird fit for current culture of SoCo. I can see how a lot of those dudes are like 'git me the hell out of here."
ahhhh for sure, I could see that.
all I know is the only time I've seen AG he was all clean, sippin a Starbucks, looking pretty solidly Southern Californian!
Yep. The market is red hot (see: overinflated) and a lot of California residents can no longer resist the offerings, especially if they are hitting retirement age. And there were almost certainly a number of early retirement decisions during covid.
I wonder if Aaron just found out the mansion life isn't all what it's cracked up to be when you're a traveling athlete and technically not spending that much time in a place you put so much money into. Orrr this was the plan all along. Not that he could see Covid happening, but it's not like California property gets devalued by anything short of a total economic collapse. Covid may have just been the tipping point in realizing he didn't want to be in the state with its political climate any longer, plus he could finally justify getting the highest price possible for a place like this.
At the same time, may have missed the bubble of very wealthy east coast and/or foreign investors grabbing tons of houses out here and such. I feel like with the over inflation of CA's housing market that awkward gold rush land grab from wealthy outsiders ship has kinda sailed.
Also I know the area suits him (contrary to the weird comment about not being a good place to bro out, lmao have you been to Murrieta!?) but still Murrieta is kind of an annoying drive to get to the trails he likes (mostly Orange County/Laguna). Maybe Gwinna just had a big flex moment (this was right before proposing was it not?) and the shine has dulled since finishing it. Especially for the price, with his money he could have 2-3 places like this in states that aren't CA.
Yep. The market is red hot (see: overinflated) and a lot of California residents can no longer resist the offerings, especially if they are hitting retirement...
Yep. The market is red hot (see: overinflated) and a lot of California residents can no longer resist the offerings, especially if they are hitting retirement age. And there were almost certainly a number of early retirement decisions during covid.
I wonder if Aaron just found out the mansion life isn't all what it's cracked up to be when you're a traveling athlete and technically not spending that much time in a place you put so much money into. Orrr this was the plan all along. Not that he could see Covid happening, but it's not like California property gets devalued by anything short of a total economic collapse. Covid may have just been the tipping point in realizing he didn't want to be in the state with its political climate any longer, plus he could finally justify getting the highest price possible for a place like this.
At the same time, may have missed the bubble of very wealthy east coast and/or foreign investors grabbing tons of houses out here and such. I feel like with the over inflation of CA's housing market that awkward gold rush land grab from wealthy outsiders ship has kinda sailed.
Also I know the area suits him (contrary to the weird comment about not being a good place to bro out, lmao have you been to Murrieta!?) but still Murrieta is kind of an annoying drive to get to the trails he likes (mostly Orange County/Laguna). Maybe Gwinna just had a big flex moment (this was right before proposing was it not?) and the shine has dulled since finishing it. Especially for the price, with his money he could have 2-3 places like this in states that aren't CA.
The “weird comment” is coming from a place where people actually promote mountain biking and don’t have to basically dodge law enforcement and local bird watchers to participate in their hobby. I know California is sick and all, but every time I hear about how riders in California have to basically live underground lifestyles, I am thankful that I live in a place that actually puts millions toward promoting cycling and legal trail development. But maybe being outside the law is part of the allure for motobro MTB culture. Just seems like it would get old to me.
Yep. The market is red hot (see: overinflated) and a lot of California residents can no longer resist the offerings, especially if they are hitting retirement...
Yep. The market is red hot (see: overinflated) and a lot of California residents can no longer resist the offerings, especially if they are hitting retirement age. And there were almost certainly a number of early retirement decisions during covid.
I wonder if Aaron just found out the mansion life isn't all what it's cracked up to be when you're a traveling athlete and technically not spending that much time in a place you put so much money into. Orrr this was the plan all along. Not that he could see Covid happening, but it's not like California property gets devalued by anything short of a total economic collapse. Covid may have just been the tipping point in realizing he didn't want to be in the state with its political climate any longer, plus he could finally justify getting the highest price possible for a place like this.
At the same time, may have missed the bubble of very wealthy east coast and/or foreign investors grabbing tons of houses out here and such. I feel like with the over inflation of CA's housing market that awkward gold rush land grab from wealthy outsiders ship has kinda sailed.
Also I know the area suits him (contrary to the weird comment about not being a good place to bro out, lmao have you been to Murrieta!?) but still Murrieta is kind of an annoying drive to get to the trails he likes (mostly Orange County/Laguna). Maybe Gwinna just had a big flex moment (this was right before proposing was it not?) and the shine has dulled since finishing it. Especially for the price, with his money he could have 2-3 places like this in states that aren't CA.
The “weird comment” is coming from a place where people actually promote mountain biking and don’t have to basically dodge law enforcement and local bird watchers...
The “weird comment” is coming from a place where people actually promote mountain biking and don’t have to basically dodge law enforcement and local bird watchers to participate in their hobby. I know California is sick and all, but every time I hear about how riders in California have to basically live underground lifestyles, I am thankful that I live in a place that actually puts millions toward promoting cycling and legal trail development. But maybe being outside the law is part of the allure for motobro MTB culture. Just seems like it would get old to me.
You mean the one place in Laguna that tickets riders? Yeah, Laguna is lame like that. I don't like that city at all. But there are a million options to MTB in SoCal and they are either legal or they are pirate trails where you really don't have to worry about a park ranger.
That Laguna one just gets a lot of "press" because it has access to some great trails and people willing go to it (avoiding all the other great places to ride) and then have a cry on social media about how they got caught. I dunno, I don't have sympathy to them the same way skaters and BMXers who press their luck get ticketed when they can just ride all the amazing skateparks we have now or just ride less risky illegal spots. These people are seriously leaning over and putting their hand pump through their own spokes and then blaming government/police.
It's push and pull. There was a lot of MTB advocacy groups fighting tooth and nail for trail access 10-20 years ago. Now with all of the MTB legal as well as MTB specific options opening up, including new bike parks and jump/pump tracks, those advocacy groups are dying down and we are losing trail access in affluent areas with upset Karens who live near the trailhead. It is what it is. But SoCal is an AMAZING place for MTBing, MX, BMX, basically all action sports (for rather obvious reasons).
Gwin seems to ride the most by him Rainbow, Greer, Lake Elsinore, Idyllwild, Crestline . I don't see a lot of him riding that trail in Laguna . Also that trail has been "illegal for a long time due to private property and they could instead wait a bottom and arrest for trespassing I will never get why people cry about that.
The “weird comment” is coming from a place where people actually promote mountain biking and don’t have to basically dodge law enforcement and local bird watchers...
The “weird comment” is coming from a place where people actually promote mountain biking and don’t have to basically dodge law enforcement and local bird watchers to participate in their hobby. I know California is sick and all, but every time I hear about how riders in California have to basically live underground lifestyles, I am thankful that I live in a place that actually puts millions toward promoting cycling and legal trail development. But maybe being outside the law is part of the allure for motobro MTB culture. Just seems like it would get old to me.
This is really only true in SoCal and the SF Bay Area. Other parts of California treat MTB riders like proper stewards of the land.
Where I live, near the Sierra National Forest, we have an MTB club that actively maintains a huge trail network on national forest lands (with permission from USFS), and we were granted access to private property owned by Southern California Edison (utility provider) to build a massive network of legit DH trails like this one...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOFmHEzsds&t=371s.
SCE literally gave us our own keys to the gate and allowed moto access to quickly reach trail work areas. And a generous donor to the club just bought us a mini excavator to accelerate the trail building process. The next phase starts this summer, and we'll be adding 2 or 3 more new trails.
Gwin seems to ride the most by him Rainbow, Greer, Lake Elsinore, Idyllwild, Crestline . I don't see a lot of him riding that trail in...
Gwin seems to ride the most by him Rainbow, Greer, Lake Elsinore, Idyllwild, Crestline . I don't see a lot of him riding that trail in Laguna . Also that trail has been "illegal for a long time due to private property and they could instead wait a bottom and arrest for trespassing I will never get why people cry about that.
If you look closely at a clearly AMAZING bathroom with killer views (I want a home with a southern facing window in the bathroom and a...
If you look closely at a clearly AMAZING bathroom with killer views (I want a home with a southern facing window in the bathroom and a view for shitting), there is a picture of Gwin and his wife on their wedding day.
Anyone remember the "Rob meets" where this was a building site, and Aaron showed off his "throne with a view"
If you look closely at a clearly AMAZING bathroom with killer views (I want a home with a southern facing window in the bathroom and a...
If you look closely at a clearly AMAZING bathroom with killer views (I want a home with a southern facing window in the bathroom and a view for shitting), there is a picture of Gwin and his wife on their wedding day.
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the same. Selling the dream house and moving eastward, and at higher elevation.
I wonder if this means something is happening with Intense and/or Gwin's involvement at WindRock? Aaron had said before his house was only 10 minutes from Intense HQ. If you wanted to be really involved in the company I'd think that would be ideal location, unless the company was willing to follow you...maybe somewhere you could ride custom-built DH trails right out your back door?
Gwin is a SoCal native, born and raised. For him to move to Tennessee? That seems like a business decisions, not a "I love Tennessee it just warms my heart" kind of decision.
Lauren is from Montana, so here again, hard to see the Tennessee draw.
The only angle I can figure out is that she wants to be a SAHM and Gwin would need some seriously steady income to pay for the place in California, where as in Tennessee he could probably pay all cash for a place and let some investments cover the taxes. Then again, he probably would've done that in California, too.
I always love watching Aaron's success and he's a consummate businessman so I'm sure he's positioning for new adventures.
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the...
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the same. Selling the dream house and moving eastward, and at higher elevation.
holy shit I guess I need to call my family in California and see if they're on the run I had no idea
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the...
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the same. Selling the dream house and moving eastward, and at higher elevation.
Nothing new, it's been happening since the 80's.
To quote Chris Herting of Yeti Cycles on their move from SoCal to Colorado;
"All I need is one trip back to Cali to realize how shitty it is there and how great it is here.”
Make some money in Ca; then bail somewhere that is cheaper, less crowded, and leaves you alone.
Best decision I have ever made.
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the...
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the same. Selling the dream house and moving eastward, and at higher elevation.
My wife and I (and our kid) are not loving California, well, So-Cal...none of it has to do with 'government'. I see that often enough and chuckle, like the govt has that much hold over your life it is quite possible you are doing something wrong. We've traveled enough in the world to know the locations we would rather be in, hope we get there-wish you the same luck in your eastward move.
As for this Gwinny pad, man, what a primo spot. My wife and I owned 5 acres down the street from his spot, we were going to build our dream house too (2004-2005?) as La cresta is unrivaled for its beauty and serenity (for being in so cal) we ended up stopping right before we broke ground, but always love visiting friends in La Cresta and knowing exactly where Gwin built, its safe to say that place is the crown jewel of the community. Well done to you Gwin on building such a gorgeous home and doing what you want/need to do.
I wonder if this means something is happening with Intense and/or Gwin's involvement at WindRock? Aaron had said before his house was only 10 minutes from...
I wonder if this means something is happening with Intense and/or Gwin's involvement at WindRock? Aaron had said before his house was only 10 minutes from Intense HQ. If you wanted to be really involved in the company I'd think that would be ideal location, unless the company was willing to follow you...maybe somewhere you could ride custom-built DH trails right out your back door?
Gwin is a SoCal native, born and raised. For him to move to Tennessee? That seems like a business decisions, not a "I love Tennessee it just warms my heart" kind of decision.
Lauren is from Montana, so here again, hard to see the Tennessee draw.
The only angle I can figure out is that she wants to be a SAHM and Gwin would need some seriously steady income to pay for the place in California, where as in Tennessee he could probably pay all cash for a place and let some investments cover the taxes. Then again, he probably would've done that in California, too.
I always love watching Aaron's success and he's a consummate businessman so I'm sure he's positioning for new adventures.
He literally laid it all out in video a while back. The commutes were getting to be too much to go anywhere.
The craziness of SoCal during the pandemic really stuck with him.
He can have a place in Montana & in Knoxville for way cheaper and all of it be way less stressful than SoCal.
The amount of stress that the multiplication of humans in my small corner of the world has created is nuts. Can't imagine what that kind of human expansion would do to my nerves in a place like where he is.
A 100 acre lot just sold for $250k that backs up to Windrock and a group of bros snagged it up and live nowhere near it.
The place they bought is near nothing. It's probably got 100 years of shady mining operations done in and around it. It's not far from the nuclear plant.
But...you can use all your toys, see no one, answer to no one and have an off grid good time.
Seems like a lot of people are getting out of dodge.
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Seems like a lot of people are getting out of dodge.
They weren't sold to no one. There are people moving in to those purcahses.
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the...
Like many of us he has enough of Cali. After living here my whole life the dystopian and tyrannical government has become untenable. I'm doing the same. Selling the dream house and moving eastward, and at higher elevation.
My wife and I (and our kid) are not loving California, well, So-Cal...none of it has to do with 'government'. I see that often enough and...
My wife and I (and our kid) are not loving California, well, So-Cal...none of it has to do with 'government'. I see that often enough and chuckle, like the govt has that much hold over your life it is quite possible you are doing something wrong. We've traveled enough in the world to know the locations we would rather be in, hope we get there-wish you the same luck in your eastward move.
As for this Gwinny pad, man, what a primo spot. My wife and I owned 5 acres down the street from his spot, we were going to build our dream house too (2004-2005?) as La cresta is unrivaled for its beauty and serenity (for being in so cal) we ended up stopping right before we broke ground, but always love visiting friends in La Cresta and knowing exactly where Gwin built, its safe to say that place is the crown jewel of the community. Well done to you Gwin on building such a gorgeous home and doing what you want/need to do.
Well you know where to go. Do it while the little lady is still young enough. You won't regret it.
okay this just in: my elderly mother is holed up in her beach house, operating a pirate radio station for the resistance...at least that's what I take it to mean when she reported "oh, just trying to learn this ipad mini." My brother and his family report that they're "having a normal day" on the west side of LA...which probably means that they have a soccer practice or two after school and will probably grill in the backyard for dinner...yeah, sounds like they've been swallowed up by the tyrannical government too.
"Moms throughout Spokane are reportedly eagerly awaiting Mother’s Day this Sunday to see you in person for a really big, long hug and a kiss while reminding you of all the bloodthirsty, violent chaos that takes place in Seattle every day."
all I know is the only time I've seen AG he was all clean, sippin a Starbucks, looking pretty solidly Southern Californian!
I wonder if Aaron just found out the mansion life isn't all what it's cracked up to be when you're a traveling athlete and technically not spending that much time in a place you put so much money into. Orrr this was the plan all along. Not that he could see Covid happening, but it's not like California property gets devalued by anything short of a total economic collapse. Covid may have just been the tipping point in realizing he didn't want to be in the state with its political climate any longer, plus he could finally justify getting the highest price possible for a place like this.
At the same time, may have missed the bubble of very wealthy east coast and/or foreign investors grabbing tons of houses out here and such. I feel like with the over inflation of CA's housing market that awkward gold rush land grab from wealthy outsiders ship has kinda sailed.
Also I know the area suits him (contrary to the weird comment about not being a good place to bro out, lmao have you been to Murrieta!?) but still Murrieta is kind of an annoying drive to get to the trails he likes (mostly Orange County/Laguna). Maybe Gwinna just had a big flex moment (this was right before proposing was it not?) and the shine has dulled since finishing it. Especially for the price, with his money he could have 2-3 places like this in states that aren't CA.
That Laguna one just gets a lot of "press" because it has access to some great trails and people willing go to it (avoiding all the other great places to ride) and then have a cry on social media about how they got caught. I dunno, I don't have sympathy to them the same way skaters and BMXers who press their luck get ticketed when they can just ride all the amazing skateparks we have now or just ride less risky illegal spots. These people are seriously leaning over and putting their hand pump through their own spokes and then blaming government/police.
It's push and pull. There was a lot of MTB advocacy groups fighting tooth and nail for trail access 10-20 years ago. Now with all of the MTB legal as well as MTB specific options opening up, including new bike parks and jump/pump tracks, those advocacy groups are dying down and we are losing trail access in affluent areas with upset Karens who live near the trailhead. It is what it is. But SoCal is an AMAZING place for MTBing, MX, BMX, basically all action sports (for rather obvious reasons).
Where I live, near the Sierra National Forest, we have an MTB club that actively maintains a huge trail network on national forest lands (with permission from USFS), and we were granted access to private property owned by Southern California Edison (utility provider) to build a massive network of legit DH trails like this one...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOFmHEzsds&t=371s.
SCE literally gave us our own keys to the gate and allowed moto access to quickly reach trail work areas. And a generous donor to the club just bought us a mini excavator to accelerate the trail building process. The next phase starts this summer, and we'll be adding 2 or 3 more new trails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D736qcCHlBM
Gwin is a SoCal native, born and raised. For him to move to Tennessee? That seems like a business decisions, not a "I love Tennessee it just warms my heart" kind of decision.
Lauren is from Montana, so here again, hard to see the Tennessee draw.
The only angle I can figure out is that she wants to be a SAHM and Gwin would need some seriously steady income to pay for the place in California, where as in Tennessee he could probably pay all cash for a place and let some investments cover the taxes. Then again, he probably would've done that in California, too.
I always love watching Aaron's success and he's a consummate businessman so I'm sure he's positioning for new adventures.
To quote Chris Herting of Yeti Cycles on their move from SoCal to Colorado;
"All I need is one trip back to Cali to realize how shitty it is there and how great it is here.”
Make some money in Ca; then bail somewhere that is cheaper, less crowded, and leaves you alone.
Best decision I have ever made.
As for this Gwinny pad, man, what a primo spot. My wife and I owned 5 acres down the street from his spot, we were going to build our dream house too (2004-2005?) as La cresta is unrivaled for its beauty and serenity (for being in so cal) we ended up stopping right before we broke ground, but always love visiting friends in La Cresta and knowing exactly where Gwin built, its safe to say that place is the crown jewel of the community. Well done to you Gwin on building such a gorgeous home and doing what you want/need to do.
The craziness of SoCal during the pandemic really stuck with him.
He can have a place in Montana & in Knoxville for way cheaper and all of it be way less stressful than SoCal.
The amount of stress that the multiplication of humans in my small corner of the world has created is nuts. Can't imagine what that kind of human expansion would do to my nerves in a place like where he is.
A 100 acre lot just sold for $250k that backs up to Windrock and a group of bros snagged it up and live nowhere near it.
The place they bought is near nothing. It's probably got 100 years of shady mining operations done in and around it. It's not far from the nuclear plant.
But...you can use all your toys, see no one, answer to no one and have an off grid good time.
thank you for your vigilance, soldier!
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