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sspomer
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troy brosnan won MSA on that bike fwiw.

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troy brosnan won MSA on that bike fwiw.

😂 Well I can honestly blame Chris Ball and WB that I missed that one.

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TimBud wrote:

Oh right 😂

I don’t follow FMD either.

My disinterest has in both is stronger than I thought 😳😅

Tell me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan, without telling me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan…

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Tell me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan, without telling me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan…

Not continue my digression any further, but I am a Tahnee fan. I still missed all the Canyon hype, so I'll blame the almighty algorithm for that. I get mostly mechanic stuff, F1, Brandog, MB Cyclery with a healthy dose of bee_kay77 and watchcwgo.

I'd love to see what Tahnee could do away from FMD. In my biased opinion it worked incredibly well for the Athertons but not so well for her... Maybe it's because mum and dad weren't part of the team. 

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Bushing require tight tolerances and proper maintenance. 

The cycling industry is crappy at tight tolerances. 

Most cyclist are crappy at maintenance. 

It's a win win resulting in the horrible reputation that bushings have.

Like press fit bearings, they are the correct engineering solution. But that would require the bike industry to stop being crappy. 

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1/28/2025 1:17pm
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Did Canyon just drop something new.Or am I just that uninterested in them that this has previously passed me by:

Did Canyon just drop something new.

Or am I just that uninterested in them that this has previously passed me by:

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Interesting that Luca has a big ass Boa logo on top of his helmet. I don't think I've seen Boa do individual sponsorship deals like that. 

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Interesting that Luca has a big ass Boa logo on top of his helmet. I don't think I've seen Boa do individual sponsorship deals like that. 

Boa sponsors quite a few individual athletes as well as teams.

https://www.boafit.com/en-us/athletes

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Interesting that Luca has a big ass Boa logo on top of his helmet. I don't think I've seen Boa do individual sponsorship deals like that. 

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Boa sponsors quite a few individual athletes as well as teams.

https://www.boafit.com/en-us/athletes

I didn't see him on those pages but they picked up Jesse Melamed not too long ago...

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1/28/2025 3:27pm

that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

gamuxenhance.jpg?VersionId=aGLI2tFMUIPm7A
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1/28/2025 3:33pm
sspomer wrote:
that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

gamuxenhance.jpg?VersionId=aGLI2tFMUIPm7A

I'll stick to Horst link. Gotta take a loan out to do a full bearing job on that 😅

 

Very cool stuff though. I saw their belt drive stuff when the Gates guys were out at Outerbike Crested Butte earlier this year.  

 

IMG 4844

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1/28/2025 3:54pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2025 3:58pm
sspomer wrote:
that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

gamuxenhance.jpg?VersionId=aGLI2tFMUIPm7A

Super interesting! Seems to me like it's functionally the same as the new Demo prototype, just packaged differently. Axle path controlled by four bars, with a two-force link and an extra rocker to drive the shock. Also quite interesting design of the seatstays. Seems like they're still very much minimizing unsprung weight

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The leverage that is being put on the upper elbow of the silver swing link from the black pull link looks really high.  I've never seen anything with that kind of geometry.   

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1/28/2025 5:59pm

Looks like a radial Tacky Chan on there.

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As i aas dreaming of new bikes i went on nicolais website.

Apparently the g1 gearbox bile is mot to far away, you can chopse it as a option in the frame configurator. Unfortunately i cant go through the customizing pages regardless of what frame i chose so i dont know if one can order allready.

https://forms.zohopublic.eu/nicolaigmbh/form/NICOLAIFRAMECONFIGURATORHT…
 

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GO-RIDE wrote:
The leverage that is being put on the upper elbow of the silver swing link from the black pull link looks really high.  I've never seen...

The leverage that is being put on the upper elbow of the silver swing link from the black pull link looks really high.  I've never seen anything with that kind of geometry.   

This exactly. I can hear the bearings groaning from here. 

Otherwise, as stated, it's a linkage driven Horst link and to me it looks like the name of the game was to make a 4bar work with the existing front triangle by adding just a single pivot point (for the rocker beneath the seat). 

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1/29/2025 2:54am

My brain can not understand how that thing works.

It looks like very minimal unsprung mass, but a LOT of sprung mass with all that links, bearings and axles (plus the gearbox),  doesn't it?

Anyway, stoked for the bike, for Gamux, for Reece and I am really looking forward to watch them in action this year

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This is the (Horst) linkage, defining the axle path:
image 165.png?VersionId=UiKFOat6lYmT.Vvzjdb

This drives the shock:
image 168.png?VersionId=R9oRiLbcnt3jYuv7h3c0vVc

If it's the same colour, it's a single piece.

The chainstay of the horst link has an extension, to which the red short link attaches and pulls down on it to rotate the silver rocker, driving the shock.

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Polygon with a new e-mtb?

suspension looks to be the same CBF that Revel is also using?

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Not cbf, it's counter rotating links. 

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1/29/2025 5:40am Edited Date/Time 1/29/2025 5:41am

Excited to see what Gamax do with Reece saying they want to find every bit of performance they can but i'm slightly sad they have lost the moto looking single swingarm, it was such a cool silhouette, this horst link + linkage is very busy, all it really adds is indipendantly controlling the shock and the braking forces but similar could of been achieved with a simpler floating brake arm.

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1/29/2025 6:27am
sspomer wrote:
that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

gamuxenhance.jpg?VersionId=aGLI2tFMUIPm7A

Flat pedals!!!! 

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1/29/2025 6:37am
sspomer wrote:
that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

that's freaking sweet! here's a blown up detail from that pic. lots going on, eh?

gamuxenhance.jpg?VersionId=aGLI2tFMUIPm7A

As has been pointed out, that appears to be a Tacky Chan Radial (based on the updated hot patch) BUT, also on that hot patch is "PPO" in blue. I thought it might say "PRO" but after zooming in on my phone it does still look like PPO. My thought originally was that it was a 'pro' casing, stiffer (more supportive) than the current gravity casing. I thought that, because there are a lot of heavy riders out there, who are having to run really high (28psi+) pressures to get the Gravity casing version of the tire to feel supportive enough for them. The Radial casing feels bouncy at high pressures, so maybe this is an even more damped version of it? I was shocked seeing 'normal' riders complaining they couldn't get enough stability out of Gravity Radials, even while the world cup DH racers were running them last season. That said, we only know of the Radial casing tires being used at the mud races last year (right?) and they were being run ~28psi under Amaury.

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1/29/2025 8:35am
Primoz wrote:
This is the (Horst) linkage, defining the axle path:This drives the shock:If it's the same colour, it's a single piece.The chainstay of the horst link has...

This is the (Horst) linkage, defining the axle path:
image 165.png?VersionId=UiKFOat6lYmT.Vvzjdb

This drives the shock:
image 168.png?VersionId=R9oRiLbcnt3jYuv7h3c0vVc

If it's the same colour, it's a single piece.

The chainstay of the horst link has an extension, to which the red short link attaches and pulls down on it to rotate the silver rocker, driving the shock.

That's some high quality fuckery and I'm all about it. 

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1/29/2025 9:31am
saskskier wrote:
New aluminum dh/freeride bike from Chromag? From Max Grayston in his latest IG post. Looks like it has a pretty similar rocker and same rear dropout...

New aluminum dh/freeride bike from Chromag? From Max Grayston in his latest IG post. Looks like it has a pretty similar rocker and same rear dropout as the Lowdown. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFNkX6CpPg5/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

image 170image 169

It does kinda look like the kids bike the Minor Threat, but I'm kinda doubtful it's chromag because their whole thing is steel bikes.

1/29/2025 9:36am
Primoz wrote:
This exactly. I can hear the bearings groaning from here. Otherwise, as stated, it's a linkage driven Horst link and to me it looks like the name...

This exactly. I can hear the bearings groaning from here. 

Otherwise, as stated, it's a linkage driven Horst link and to me it looks like the name of the game was to make a 4bar work with the existing front triangle by adding just a single pivot point (for the rocker beneath the seat). 

I thought that as well but if you look closely the front triangle is also new (specifically if you look at the seat tube that was continuous previously but not anymore).

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1/29/2025 9:53am
Primoz wrote:
This exactly. I can hear the bearings groaning from here. Otherwise, as stated, it's a linkage driven Horst link and to me it looks like the name...

This exactly. I can hear the bearings groaning from here. 

Otherwise, as stated, it's a linkage driven Horst link and to me it looks like the name of the game was to make a 4bar work with the existing front triangle by adding just a single pivot point (for the rocker beneath the seat). 

I thought that as well but if you look closely the front triangle is also new (specifically if you look at the seat tube that was...

I thought that as well but if you look closely the front triangle is also new (specifically if you look at the seat tube that was continuous previously but not anymore).

I saw it's not the same as before (obviously, as they need another pivot point). When I say the same I meant along the lines of 'let's change as little as possible because we know this works' as opposed to using the exact same parts. Changing as little as possible when it comes to the "bottom" part of it, so where the gearbox, shock and the mounting points for it (front triangle mount and rocker location) and the headtube are.

It's quite likely the pivot points were moved around compared to the single point variant too. Might not change much, just a few mm here and there, but this is something that's quite easy to do with a CNCd frame.

One thing I also just now noticed, the idler is mounted to the chainstay, so the design is under the i-Track patent (if they want to sell it).

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1/29/2025 10:33am
saskskier wrote:
New aluminum dh/freeride bike from Chromag? From Max Grayston in his latest IG post. Looks like it has a pretty similar rocker and same rear dropout...

New aluminum dh/freeride bike from Chromag? From Max Grayston in his latest IG post. Looks like it has a pretty similar rocker and same rear dropout as the Lowdown. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFNkX6CpPg5/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

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overbiked wrote:

It does kinda look like the kids bike the Minor Threat, but I'm kinda doubtful it's chromag because their whole thing is steel bikes.

Their newest bike is an aluminum slopestyle hardtail. I also got (unofficial) confirmation it's a new Chromag frame from someone at my LBS today, but no details. 

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1/29/2025 10:57am
GO-RIDE wrote:
The leverage that is being put on the upper elbow of the silver swing link from the black pull link looks really high.  I've never seen...

The leverage that is being put on the upper elbow of the silver swing link from the black pull link looks really high.  I've never seen anything with that kind of geometry.   

Same, Does not seem very long lasting for the bearings and pivot axles. Leverage ratio on the pivots on chainstay seems like kona stinky or stab back in the day. Super long on one side, very short on the shock side. also with the air shock progression and change in angle on the small connection link. idk

also find it very funny that gamux made a different bike pretty much every year since appearing, then settled on a cool concept till end of '24 and now throw a lot of simplicity out the window with 3 more pivots and virtual main pivot point.

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