I see your gearbox/belt/chain talk and raise you an enclosed primary chain with secondary "standard" drivetrain! This is cool:https://www.zoceli.cz/en/vysokoMore
I see your gearbox/belt/chain talk and raise you an enclosed primary chain with secondary "standard" drivetrain! This is cool:
How on earth does the secondary chain fit inside the seat tube with enough room to drive the upper pulley with any degree of efficiency? I don't get it.
The more I read about all this high pivot, gearbox, dual chain, 19 link stuff, the more I'm happy to be running a simple Horst or a single pivot.
one last derailment (hehe) of this thread for the gearbox debate:
even if a gearbox is 100% efficient, the total efficiency of the system will never exceed that of a system with an idler pulley, since you have something additional inbetween the cranks and the rear hub.
That being said, I'm starting to suspect that idlers' main performance benefits are less the more rearward axle path and more the reduction in chain drag on the suspension (like what ochain is trying to solve)
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I see your gearbox/belt/chain talk and raise you an enclosed primary chain with secondary "standard" drivetrain! This is cool:https://www.zoceli.cz/en/vysokoMore
I see your gearbox/belt/chain talk and raise you an enclosed primary chain with secondary "standard" drivetrain! This is cool:
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
The lostco guys made a video on basically the same concept. I remember it being described as "always feeling you have the wrong foot forward"
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
The lostco guys made a video on basically the same concept. I remember it being described as "always feeling you have the wrong foot forward"More
The lostco guys made a video on basically the same concept. I remember it being described as "always feeling you have the wrong foot forward"
I just made an account to make this comment, I'm the guy in that video. They definitely felt bizarre and completely wrong the first couple days with them, which is all we showed in the video. After riding them more I started to love them, and I'll get them on again once the bike park opens. They're not an advantage over normal chainless riding, they're just goofy and fun.
Lots of people reached out to buy a set from us, but ours was just a one off we made. If those people put their money where their mouth is that guy's gonna have some sales.
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
My initial reaction (well, next after "I want to give that a try") is that these will exert a torque on the BB shell that it doesn't normally experience,because the pedal load is now cantilevered and applied directly rather than transferred radially by a crankshaft, and I wonder what that means long term.
Edit: Threaded BBs are already slightly cantilevered, since the bearings are external to the frame, but only by that very small offset distance. So this might not necessarily be a new force, but I think it will be significantly greater.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to...More
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
What I took away from this Charlie is that you’re still riding 175mm cranks
Has anyone considered the possibility that the belt might in fact be the weakest part of the gearbox ecosystem? Sounds like most of the concerns over gearboxes on the wc circuit involve belts slipping.
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just marveling how they knocked it out of the park 6 years ago (sb150 basically same) and have been able to just sit back and print money since then, maintaining consumer awareness purely through their race sponsorships.
I wonder how long they will be able to go without a refresh...
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just...More
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just marveling how they knocked it out of the park 6 years ago (sb150 basically same) and have been able to just sit back and print money since then, maintaining consumer awareness purely through their race sponsorships.
I wonder how long they will be able to go without a refresh...
Big changes will be happening across yetis sb line but haven’t heard timeline yet
Confirmation about the new aluminum, fs, freeride/park bike came from my shop today.
The Signature (slope hardtail bike) was announced a while ago.
Sorry about that, while I've heard the rumors I stay out of stuff unless I've got links/data to back it available to everyone. Exxxx Cycles dropped the new S90 drivetrain and it's been out on an indexed page but not linked on their site for a while now. Thats the stuff that i understand the red site listed the patent for. If it makes up for any perceived shortcomings on the chromag bits?
Keep an eye on bikeinn, I believe they're a distro but also do consumer sales. Seems they took down their reverb listing but we may have a new longest drop contender.
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just...More
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just marveling how they knocked it out of the park 6 years ago (sb150 basically same) and have been able to just sit back and print money since then, maintaining consumer awareness purely through their race sponsorships.
I wonder how long they will be able to go without a refresh...
Big changes will be happening across yetis sb line but haven’t heard timeline yet
usually not before summer/fall 2026 and i guess at least the longer travel bikes (140 onwards) could get the six-finity system from their e-bike and DH-proto replacing the switch-infinity.
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack...More
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
I see your gearbox/belt/chain talk and raise you an enclosed primary chain with secondary "standard" drivetrain! This is cool:
https://www.zoceli.cz/en/vysoko
How on earth does the secondary chain fit inside the seat tube with enough room to drive the upper pulley with any degree of efficiency? I don't get it.
The more I read about all this high pivot, gearbox, dual chain, 19 link stuff, the more I'm happy to be running a simple Horst or a single pivot.
Huh. Wonder if Brembo licensed the lever reach adjust from Hayes, USP US11124263?
one last derailment (hehe) of this thread for the gearbox debate:
even if a gearbox is 100% efficient, the total efficiency of the system will never exceed that of a system with an idler pulley, since you have something additional inbetween the cranks and the rear hub.
That being said, I'm starting to suspect that idlers' main performance benefits are less the more rearward axle path and more the reduction in chain drag on the suspension (like what ochain is trying to solve)
Forget belts and chains, what about a wheel on the spindle that drives a counter-rotating wheel to spin the rear wheel?
Get with the times or get left behind, dinosaurs!
Not really a rumor but perhaps an innovation, but could see these being popular with the no drivetrain Whistler crowd and folks who have a pumptrack only kinda bike. Paging Remy Morton
MOTOCRANX
the ultimate in pedal kick back elimination!
seriously though, they have to be fun on a DH bike, don't they?
I could see these being a helpful training tool for isolating different skills in a coaching environment (like doing drills with only one ski), but to me these things look terrible for general use. And I don't just mean because you can't pedal, I mean I wouldn't want to ride skate parks, dirt jumps, or pump tracks with these. Or A-Line. I don't want to keep my crankarms dead level when I'm riding. Dropping an outside foot lowers my leverage point on the bike by 175mm. Why would I want to lose that? Also, when I'm pumping, I can move my center of gravity even higher and even lower using the cranks, and do really complicated stuff into and out of corners where there's a pump bump in the transition. All of that gets obliterated when you just stand on a crank spindle. I think cranks make bikes more capable and more fun to ride, even when you're not pedaling.
The e-bike story arc is now complete.
Strider bike for adults after they first take off the training wheels.
Looks like a Lahar's 3rd cousin twice removed. I dig it.
cue all the 'but what about motorcycles' comments
The lostco guys made a video on basically the same concept. I remember it being described as "always feeling you have the wrong foot forward"
O/T Is there a consensus on what the correct foot forward is?
looks like they're the creation of that Lee likes bikes guy. I've always thought that guy was kinda an idiot.
I just made an account to make this comment, I'm the guy in that video. They definitely felt bizarre and completely wrong the first couple days with them, which is all we showed in the video. After riding them more I started to love them, and I'll get them on again once the bike park opens. They're not an advantage over normal chainless riding, they're just goofy and fun.
Lots of people reached out to buy a set from us, but ours was just a one off we made. If those people put their money where their mouth is that guy's gonna have some sales.
Left, wait no Right.
I intentionally swap my forward foot to get used to it and hopefully lessen any side to side strength imbalances from riding.
My initial reaction (well, next after "I want to give that a try") is that these will exert a torque on the BB shell that it doesn't normally experience,because the pedal load is now cantilevered and applied directly rather than transferred radially by a crankshaft, and I wonder what that means long term.
Edit: Threaded BBs are already slightly cantilevered, since the bearings are external to the frame, but only by that very small offset distance. So this might not necessarily be a new force, but I think it will be significantly greater.
What I took away from this Charlie is that you’re still riding 175mm cranks
Has anyone considered the possibility that the belt might in fact be the weakest part of the gearbox ecosystem? Sounds like most of the concerns over gearboxes on the wc circuit involve belts slipping.
ALL DAY
All these new bikes coming out, but is Yeti ever gonna update the SB160? I don't see any reason why they would tbh. I was just marveling how they knocked it out of the park 6 years ago (sb150 basically same) and have been able to just sit back and print money since then, maintaining consumer awareness purely through their race sponsorships.
I wonder how long they will be able to go without a refresh...
Big changes will be happening across yetis sb line but haven’t heard timeline yet
Left. Obviously
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/left-footright-foot
Sorry about that, while I've heard the rumors I stay out of stuff unless I've got links/data to back it available to everyone. Exxxx Cycles dropped the new S90 drivetrain and it's been out on an indexed page but not linked on their site for a while now. Thats the stuff that i understand the red site listed the patent for. If it makes up for any perceived shortcomings on the chromag bits?
Keep an eye on bikeinn, I believe they're a distro but also do consumer sales. Seems they took down their reverb listing but we may have a new longest drop contender.
Very interesting! I'd have my money on 5Dev but it doesn't match the hints.
usually not before summer/fall 2026 and i guess at least the longer travel bikes (140 onwards) could get the six-finity system from their e-bike and DH-proto replacing the switch-infinity.
Nah dude, those crancks are still way to long...
In a turn situation requiring lean? Yes. Otherwise? No.
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