2023 Racing Talk

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9/22/2023 7:02am
Fox US Open of MTB Downhill finals are this Sunday, September 24, at Killington. The start time for the Open class finals is TBD, because the...

Fox US Open of MTB Downhill finals are this Sunday, September 24, at Killington.

The start time for the Open class finals is TBD, because the amateur classes start racing at 11:15 with Open women and men starting after all other classes are done, and the amount of time it will take for the amateurs depends on how many racers there are. Last year's men's and women's champs (Norton & Hoffmann) are apparently back this year.

No live stream, but apparently Vital will have a replay on its Youtube channel after the races are done. Live timing will be on ChronoRace.

Qualifying/seeding is Saturday.
First place prize in women and men Open is $15,000.

 

 

For anyone who hasn’t listened to the Vital podcast, I recommend it. Good rundown of the US Open, its history, and how they’re broadcasting it. 
Frankly, I’d be happy if ESO did the same, but then again I rarely get to watch WC races live anyway.

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9/22/2023 2:51pm

Just for sh*ts and giggles, let's compare:

Prize money for the US Open men and women in the Open class:

Open Class Downhill Prizing - Men and Women (Equal):
1st - $15,000 
2nd - $7500 
3rd - $3750  
4th - $1875  
5th - $937.50

Total for 1st through 5th place: $29,062.50

Elite Men and Women prize money for UCI World Cup races:

1st - 3750 Euro
2nd - 2100 Euro
3rd - 1250 Euro
4th - 800  Euro
5th - 600 Euro

6th - 500 Euro
7th - 350 Euro
8th - 300 Euro
9th - 250  Euro
10th - 200 Euro

Total for 1st through 10th place: 10,100 Euro

Notes: (1) Current exchange rate is $1.06 USD = 1.00 Euro  (2) US Open prize money source: https://usopenbike.squarespace.com/us-open-downhill (3) UCI prize money source: 2023 UCI MTB Financial Obligations.

(4) The first place winners in Men and Women Open at the US Open each get more money than the top 10 finishers at a World Cup combined.

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9/22/2023 3:27pm Edited Date/Time 9/22/2023 3:28pm

Crankworx also pays out more than UCI for each round with a bonus that grows each year if you hit 1199 points in the series. Bonus will be 20k next year

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9/22/2023 3:38pm
BGoldstone wrote:
Crankworx also pays out more than UCI for each round with a bonus that grows each year if you hit 1199 points in the series. Bonus...

Crankworx also pays out more than UCI for each round with a bonus that grows each year if you hit 1199 points in the series. Bonus will be 20k next year

You're right. I think the prize list for the Whistler Crankworx Whipoff showed that the winner got more prize money than the 2nd place finisher at the UCI World Cup downhill. Can't remember off the top of my head. It's embarrassing.

 

9/22/2023 7:19pm

FYI for anyone who wants to either geek out on live timing or just check out times after the qualifying and finals, here's the link to the live timing: https://prod.chronorace.be/angular/results.html#/uci/event/20230922_snow/DHI/CG101/dh/1011

They'll do live timing for both qualis and finals.

Qualifying / seeding starts at 1:15 Eastern time / 10:15 Pacific on Saturday. I assume they'll start with the amateurs... not sure. Their schedule says it runs until 4:30 Eastern.

Finals begin 11:15 Eastern time on Sunday.

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9/23/2023 9:45am

I would think they send the open first so I’m case it runs late. Quite a few in Open do the whip-off which is right after quali

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9/23/2023 9:24pm
BGoldstone wrote:
Peaty in 36th place. Only one born in 70’s

C5C5042E-923E-445F-8E89-D84A75DBC089Peaty in 36th place. Only one born in 70’s

Is this the first time Asa Vermette has raced against world cup Pros from other than the USA? 3rd place is just insane 

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9/23/2023 9:50pm

Insane how fast Asa is compared to that field, looking forward to see how tomorrow plays out. Also, Women throwing down! Nina is one of the fastest women in the World Cup, and the 3 above her are all within the same second, not all racing the full circuit. Top five women within 5 seconds. That's great racing. Not too long ago Rach was taking double digit seconds in her wins. Qualies are qualies, but US open is shaping up to be legit racing. Bring back the slideshows!!

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DirtyHal
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9/23/2023 11:06pm

A lot of talk about Asa but I think Aletha’s 1st place is just as impressive.

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9/23/2023 11:36pm

Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal is not getting hurt before the next two rounds. 

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9/24/2023 1:50am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2023 1:51am
Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal...

Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal is not getting hurt before the next two rounds. 

Yup, before everyone is choking on stoke for these groms, Longroad is right, yeah the groms are kinda quick but will be frothing to be noticed, the pros are running for fun and to keep the rides levels safely rolling till the WC. Lets not take too much from the "seeding" times...   (or even final results)

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9/24/2023 3:00am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2023 3:10am
Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal...

Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal is not getting hurt before the next two rounds. 

I dunno. If it was a sponsor thing why isn't Thirion racing alongside the Meier-Smith bros, no Greenland for the Syndicate, no other GT riders with Wyn, Meek as the only MS Mondraker rider?

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9/24/2023 4:04am

I dunno. $15,000 is pretty enticing if you’re not fighting for the overall at the world cups. 

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Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal...

Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal is not getting hurt before the next two rounds. 

Fried take, there’s $15,000 on the line. Also side note: Marco in 11th on an enduro bike after racing the enduro all day Saturday is pretty nuts.

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9/24/2023 7:27am

The enduro race was Saturday, but there aren't any results posted or winners announced...why? 

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9/24/2023 7:35am
bermed wrote:

The enduro race was Saturday, but there aren't any results posted or winners announced...why? 

us open 2023.jpeg?VersionId=vtTjjMrxnWH3DH2IevldawFrom YT Mob socials

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9/24/2023 8:58am
bermed wrote:

The enduro race was Saturday, but there aren't any results posted or winners announced...why? 

Scrub wrote:
From YT Mob socials

us open 2023.jpeg?VersionId=vtTjjMrxnWH3DH2IevldawFrom YT Mob socials

Kasper Wooley looks like a young version of Hide the pain Harold

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9/24/2023 9:23am

Snoweshow is going to be nuts. I really want Dak or Luca to win but I’ll bet Jack-o gets it.  
1 Jacks

2 Dak

3 Benoit

4 Luca

5 Loic 

Ladies:

Nina

Marine

Darkhorse is Hastrik 

 

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9/24/2023 9:30am

whip off vid from us open

 

9/24/2023 10:26am
Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal...

Let’s not get too carried away. Most of these non-American factory guys and gals racing are doing it because it’s a sponsor requirement. Their main goal is not getting hurt before the next two rounds. 

TannerVal wrote:
Fried take, there’s $15,000 on the line. Also side note: Marco in 11th on an enduro bike after racing the enduro all day Saturday is pretty...

Fried take, there’s $15,000 on the line. Also side note: Marco in 11th on an enduro bike after racing the enduro all day Saturday is pretty nuts.

I was at the us open when it was at summit a few years ago. Prize purse was $10k and i can tell you most the big dogs that were not putting in much effort. 
 

these guys contracts are based on World Cup results. While $15k is a nice purse, risking injuries that could affect your World Cup results and future sponsorships isn’t worth it to them. Especially dudes like Jackson. I guarantee there’s a lot more than $15k in bonuses on the line for some WC podiums and a possible overall title. 
 

im not saying Asa isn’t fast, i can’t wait to see what he does next year, and I’m stoked on all the upcoming usdh kids, but he has a lot more to gain putting it all out there for a seeding run and even finals than those other guys do. 

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9/24/2023 11:17am
bermed wrote:

The enduro race was Saturday, but there aren't any results posted or winners announced...why? 

Sadly too common from MTB (and all cycling really) races. 

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9/24/2023 11:24am

fwiw, in our US open pre-race podcast, clay (race founder) explains when loic won at big bear that loic had no idea there was a massive prize purse. listen here if you'd like - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/2023-u-s-open-mountain-biking-pre-rac…

re: enduro results - aside from the live timing link for DH that red racer 3 posted, US open site only links back to rootsandrain for results. enduro results aren't posted yet.

also, open women are on course now

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9/24/2023 11:53am
I was at the us open when it was at summit a few years ago. Prize purse was $10k and i can tell you most the...

I was at the us open when it was at summit a few years ago. Prize purse was $10k and i can tell you most the big dogs that were not putting in much effort. 
 

these guys contracts are based on World Cup results. While $15k is a nice purse, risking injuries that could affect your World Cup results and future sponsorships isn’t worth it to them. Especially dudes like Jackson. I guarantee there’s a lot more than $15k in bonuses on the line for some WC podiums and a possible overall title. 
 

im not saying Asa isn’t fast, i can’t wait to see what he does next year, and I’m stoked on all the upcoming usdh kids, but he has a lot more to gain putting it all out there for a seeding run and even finals than those other guys do. 

$15K is still $15K. But why go fast in 2 runs when you only need 1?

Nina easily takes it. 11 seconds quicker than her quali.

9/24/2023 11:59am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2023 12:00pm
chriskief wrote:

$15K is still $15K. But why go fast in 2 runs when you only need 1?

Nina easily takes it. 11 seconds quicker than her quali.

Must be joe breeden’s thinking as well. qualified at the back and is currently 21 seconds up. 2 seconds faster than Dak’s quali time. 

9/24/2023 12:05pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2023 12:08pm

Nice to see Bodie Heflin in the finals. He's the guy who tried to register at Loudenvielle and missed the deadline when they cancelled semis (I'm trying to remember the details).

He had a good first split. Still on track.

Edit: Whoops. Look like he had a bad 3rd sector.... bummer for him.

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9/24/2023 12:44pm
chriskief wrote:

$15K is still $15K. But why go fast in 2 runs when you only need 1?

Nina easily takes it. 11 seconds quicker than her quali.

Dak snatches it from Asa in the last split. Lowe's here we come!

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