Non-Supre drive Nicolai…
Spotted on the book of faces. Seems legit.
Non-Supre drive Nicolai…
Spotted on the book of faces. Seems legit.
Hello Nicolai M-Pire, my beloved old friend, I've missed you ! Glad to see Nicolai releasing some bikes a bit more complex like they used to do, simple bland designs (whith mad geo, yes) got old very quickly going back to your roots is nice to witness, might consider a Nicolai once again
The thread hasn’t had much updates lately. Gwin posted this misty clip. Looks like another new design? No big downtube cradle, shock mounted horizontally?
Gwin comment, unrelated to tech: predicting a World Cup or World Champs win from Gwin this season. Had a few years in the dark place (probably because he rode Kenda tires) but he started to get his speed back in '22 and was consistently a podium threat again. Shades of 2010 or 2013, which both foreshadowed good things.
The thread hasn’t had much updates lately. Gwin posted this misty clip. Looks like another new design? No big downtube cradle, shock mounted horizontally?
The thread hasn’t had much updates lately. Gwin posted this misty clip. Looks like another new design? No big downtube cradle, shock mounted horizontally?
Is this missing a jockey or is this a low pivot version? I thought the other version was high pivot because of the drive system but thought the "SRAM" version would be still a high pivot.
Is this missing a jockey or is this a low pivot version? I thought the other version was high pivot because of the drive system but...
Is this missing a jockey or is this a low pivot version? I thought the other version was high pivot because of the drive system but thought the "SRAM" version would be still a high pivot.
Wondering this myself. It’s basically just a blueprint. Until somebody bolts a drivetrain on it, who’s to say.
according to the press release (we haven't verified yet b/c the bike showed up the other day) "With the Orbea SIC System, changing a cable, the stem or the handlebar is as simple as ever and doesn't require any extra steps"
Introducing the ALL-NEW SCOTT Lumen. The first SCOTT E-MTB which has the weight, the look, the noise and the handling of a MTB. LIGHT UP YOUR RIDE. Discover NOW!
Givisiez, Switzerland. December 2022. An E-MTB weighing just 15.5kg. Yup, you read that right. The SCOTT Lumen takes the world’s fastest XC/Trail frame platform and adds completely silent and powerful electric assistance all while maintaining SCOTT’s legendary lightweight DNA.
The ride feel is like a regular bike: no need to think about a longer braking distance, pedal drag or weight, as it’s even possible to ride the bike with the assistance switched off. This is an E-Bike for a mountain biker, with all the benefits of a regular bike, now with added assistance to get you up those hills faster to enjoy riding further and for even longer.
COMPACT POWERFUL ASSISTANCE
From the beginning, the objective was to create the lightest possible E-Bike and, after much investigation, it was clear that the TQ HPR50 was the ultimate solution for the SCOTT eRIDE R&D Team to achieve their goals.
TQ is a German company founded in 1994 that specializes in electric components across a range of industries including aerospace, medical and infrastructure. With the HPR50, they simply rewrote the rules, delivering an unprecedented weight/power ratio of 1.8kg for 50Nm. With a diameter of 8cm, TQ has innovated by using a harmonic gear system. This allows for a reduction of size, while also increasing the accuracy of the system. This results in a lighter bike, better integration while reducing backlash for a more natural pedaling sensation. This technology also allows for the reduction in system noise for a truly natural experience. After all, you are in the outdoors to, well, enjoy the outdoors.
The Tech behind The ALL-NEW LUMEN
2 BATTERIES, 1 INTERNAL, 1 EXTERNAL
The Lumen features a 360Wh internal battery which can be further complemented by a 160Wh external range extender. Easily fixed to the front water bottle mount with our unique SCOTT-designed quick-release mount, the range extender features a slim design and low weight, meaning minimal impact on the bike’s handling.
Thanks to TQ’s electronic expertise, the HPR50 battery, when combined with the range extender, guarantees maximum performance right through until empty. TQ use specific battery cells to ensure both the battery and range extender continue at full output, even as it reaches low capacity. The system can be charged with the range extender in place, the smart charger prioritising the bike battery’s charge first, so you’ll never be caught short when heading out to ride. The charge time is fast too, the main battery can reach 80% in two hours of charging.
2 WATER BOTTLE MOUNTS
Unlike most full suspension E-Bikes, on the Lumen there is no need to choose between the range extender or a water bottle - between longer rides and staying hydrated. Thanks to the integrated shock there is space for both an external battery and water. An optional sliding mount system also allows an easy switch between the front water bottle and the range extender, allowing either to be easily transported when out on longer rides.
SUSPENSION LAYOUT
The Lumen uses the same suspension layout as featured in the SCOTT Spark, now a double World Championship-winning bike. From the first time we rode the flex pivot layout, we fell in love. Now, years later, we still believe that for technical cross-country trail riding and fast, punchy singletrack, it’s the best approach. The suspension layout on the Lumen has a very specific and proven kinematic and less unsprung mass. Using a flex pivot in the seat stay is an ideal solution for bikes in this travel range and allows us to keep a very lightweight system while still ensuring optimal suspension performance.
INTEGRATED SUSPENSION TECHNOLOGY
The Spark debuted a frame platform with an integrated shock and the Lumen follows the same principle. Why integrated you ask? Well for one, we think it looks fantastic. But if we take a deeper look, this approach allows us to refine suspension characteristics without sacrificing weight. And when developing the world’s lightest E-MTB, every gram matters. For the optimal performance of a suspension shock, power transfer must be the most direct possible. What we want to avoid are any inefficient directional movements, in other words, lateral movements (sideways to the direction of travel) as the shock goes through its compression. Having an integrated shock allows us to improve this in several ways. Firstly, the frame construction around the shock and with the trunnion mount can be designed to be much more rigid, reducing movement and fostering more efficient power transfer. We can also add much larger bearings to the seat tube pivot, further reinforcing this area and reducing any unnecessary motion. While these may seem like minor improvements individually, the sum of their parts results in more efficient shock performance. Additionally, the shock is fully protected from any foreign elements. Rainy wintry ride? No problem, your shock will continue to perform at its best regardless.
Our integrated suspension technology also helps us to engineer frames with a lower shock placement which lowers center of gravity. As a result, the bike benefits from better handling, and a more stable, confidence-inspiring ride for the end user.
FRAME DESIGN
With 130mm of travel, it made perfect sense to utilize our tried and tested platform, the Spark 900. This design is the result of years of engineering experience and feedback from the most successful elite-level riders in the world. To fulfill the requirements of an electric system, adaptations were of course required, starting with the thickness of the carbon layup, the kinematics, the shock placement and the geometry. Even though the Lumen eRIDE and the Spark are analogous, the design of the Lumen has been optimized to fit the motor and the battery. The result is a motor and a battery integrated into a full suspension frame with an increase in volume of only 17% over the Spark. Looking at it, you can’t tell it’s an electric mountain bike.
SAG
Setting sag is also easy, as you can see what sag you’re running via an indicator on one of the pivots. Want to know if you’re using full suspension travel? Have a look through a port in the seat tube where you can see where your o-ring sits. You can easily move it back down to reset it.
COCKPIT
The Lumen 900 SL and 900 models feature the Fraser IC DC combo from Syncros. The designers worked on the shape to allow the cables to flow under the bar and around the sides of the stem before disappearing into the headset with integrated plastic parts to keep it clean and efficient. This avoids bends or kinks in the cables and provides a minimalist front end. In fact, when the system was developed, e-bike cables were already thought of in the design. All our bars and stems feature multiple options for computer, light and camera mounts both on top or under the bar.
The 910 and Contessa models feature a more standard bar and stem designed to work with the internal cable routing. Syncros provides all the touch points on the bike for the best riding experience.
HANDLEBAR REMOTE
The system can be controlled via a minimalistic handlebar remote paired to the integrated top tube display. The modes are easy to switch through, and, thanks to the ergonomic placement on the handlebar, can be easily controlled whilst riding, as well as when using Walk Mode.
TRACK YOUR RIDES
The TQ app offers real benefits and is easy to use. It’s easy to connect, customize and control your TQ-powered e-bike with the TQ E-Bike app. The bike comes with a suggested SCOTT motor tune, with the app you can tune your drive unit to either save battery life or maximize the power output. You can alter the pedal response either for a faster motor uptake response or to slow it down for a more natural feeling. Lastly you can customize the display, altering the order and number of screens available, turn on and off control sounds etc.
No buzz, no additional noise – simple essential information for when you and your E-Bike are on the go so you can ride more and enjoy the moment.
THE LUMEN PRODUCT RANGE
The new Lumen collection features 4 models: Lumen eRIDE 900 SL, Lumen eRIDE 900 and Lumen eRIDE 910, and one dedicated Contessa model. Discover the full collection on SCOTT-sports.com
All specs and pricing are provisional and might vary according to currency. Please reach out to your local SCOTT contact for further information.
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total coincidence? Is there some sort of market driver for fiscal year end or something on 12/1? I assume the product managers for these brands are pretty plugged in and have a pretty good idea of other company pending releases... or they get the info through the component mfg's somehow or is that assumption wrong? Is there a feedback loop from journalists that oof, that release date you chose is uhhh, busy?
Good day to have a beer at the end of the day and read about new stuff, that's always cool!
updated orbea rise is here $5299 for H30 version up to $11,500 for M-LTD
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/first-look-2023-orbea-rise
according to the press release (we haven't verified yet b/c the...
updated orbea rise is here $5299 for H30 version up to $11,500 for M-LTD
according to the press release (we haven't verified yet b/c the bike showed up the other day) "With the Orbea SIC System, changing a cable, the stem or the handlebar is as simple as ever and doesn't require any extra steps"
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total...
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total coincidence? Is there some sort of market driver for fiscal year end or something on 12/1? I assume the product managers for these brands are pretty plugged in and have a pretty good idea of other company pending releases... or they get the info through the component mfg's somehow or is that assumption wrong? Is there a feedback loop from journalists that oof, that release date you chose is uhhh, busy?
Good day to have a beer at the end of the day and read about new stuff, that's always cool!
Spomer has way more experience in this field than I do, but I am always impressed that the first of every month is jam-packed with press releases. I always expect it to be busy on the 1st, and I've been curious why brands still launch new bikes/products on the first when you can only assume other press releases will be hitting the homepage.
I know people at brands chat, but with how many factors go into planning a product launch, it's got to be tough to change an embargo last minute just because someone else is launching something. I'm sure it happens to some degree though. I guess you just hope what you are launching is more progressive/eye-catching/important than others?
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total...
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total coincidence? Is there some sort of market driver for fiscal year end or something on 12/1? I assume the product managers for these brands are pretty plugged in and have a pretty good idea of other company pending releases... or they get the info through the component mfg's somehow or is that assumption wrong? Is there a feedback loop from journalists that oof, that release date you chose is uhhh, busy?
Good day to have a beer at the end of the day and read about new stuff, that's always cool!
good question @ebruner. i actually have no idea how it works on the industry side. we knew orbea, giant and commencal were coming out today (anywhere from a few weeks to a week notice), and we got a generic PR email from scott last night at 130am about the lumen. the tip in this forum about "scott ebike on dec 1" was all we knew until that email dropped LOL. we don't tell brands about other launch dates (we're too busy w/ our own work), but i'm sure it can happen. not sure it would matter for big brands though. once a date is set, they're sticking w/ it.
a guess is that a bunch of containers with parts and/or frames have finally landed within the last few months and now bikes can be assembled and made ready for sale. maybe all these brands were waiting on the same thing? i don't know about fiscal year details or any of that. maybe they wanted to wait until after black friday so a deal wouldn't be expected on anything? i'd assume sales departments, marketing and PMs all work together to coordinate the launch times though.
edit: OR, maybe the International Headtube-routed Cable Alliance finalized their strategy for taking over the world last night
Will I have to bleed my brakes if I want to change the battery on my Scott e-bike?
You are going to wish it would be that simple
Non-Supre drive Nicolai…
Spotted on the book of faces. Seems legit.
Don't scoff, I've had 2 e-bikes now where to replace my dropper cable housing the motor needs to come out. Ridiculous.
Hopefully you won't need to bleed the battery if you want to charge your brakes.
new from BikeYoke:
BikeYoke Sagma Video - Pinkbike
Hello Nicolai M-Pire, my beloved old friend, I've missed you ! Glad to see Nicolai releasing some bikes a bit more complex like they used to do, simple bland designs (whith mad geo, yes) got old very quickly going back to your roots is nice to witness, might consider a Nicolai once again
don't forget to check our homepage, too. full in-depth feature on this saddle was posted yesterday
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/first-ride-bikeyoke-sagma-lite-suspen…
Vital should be the first stop on the Pretending-to-Work to-do list.
The thread hasn’t had much updates lately. Gwin posted this misty clip. Looks like another new design? No big downtube cradle, shock mounted horizontally?
Gwin comment, unrelated to tech: predicting a World Cup or World Champs win from Gwin this season. Had a few years in the dark place (probably because he rode Kenda tires) but he started to get his speed back in '22 and was consistently a podium threat again. Shades of 2010 or 2013, which both foreshadowed good things.
Hey, it looks like that intense is a six bar. I'm joking, I'm joking.
nukeproof now available direct in USA
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/nukeproof-announces-new-u-s…
No news
https://www.mtb-news.de/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fp.vitalmtb.com%2Fphotos%2Finline%2Fbasic%2F1FF24AB6-8FD7-462E-9103-AA4DFA38B3D9.jpeg%3FVersionId%3DrIL4ZkoMuhvuVBPNb.rLGrlm0HYaD4f3&hash=8a8c725941db77950f0cb9bef6469bb3
Neat integrated seat collar
Is this missing a jockey or is this a low pivot version? I thought the other version was high pivot because of the drive system but thought the "SRAM" version would be still a high pivot.
Same as the Supre version.
Wondering this myself. It’s basically just a blueprint. Until somebody bolts a drivetrain on it, who’s to say.
tempo is out
updated orbea rise is here $5299 for H30 version up to $11,500 for M-LTD
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/first-look-2023-orbea-rise
according to the press release (we haven't verified yet b/c the bike showed up the other day) "With the Orbea SIC System, changing a cable, the stem or the handlebar is as simple as ever and doesn't require any extra steps"
scott lumen ebike
^^ prices on the U.S. site
the PR info below
Introducing the ALL-NEW SCOTT Lumen. The first SCOTT E-MTB which has the weight, the look, the noise and the handling of a MTB. LIGHT UP YOUR RIDE. Discover NOW!
Givisiez, Switzerland. December 2022. An E-MTB weighing just 15.5kg. Yup, you read that right. The SCOTT Lumen takes the world’s fastest XC/Trail frame platform and adds completely silent and powerful electric assistance all while maintaining SCOTT’s legendary lightweight DNA.
The ride feel is like a regular bike: no need to think about a longer braking distance, pedal drag or weight, as it’s even possible to ride the bike with the assistance switched off. This is an E-Bike for a mountain biker, with all the benefits of a regular bike, now with added assistance to get you up those hills faster to enjoy riding further and for even longer.
COMPACT POWERFUL ASSISTANCE
From the beginning, the objective was to create the lightest possible E-Bike and, after much investigation, it was clear that the TQ HPR50 was the ultimate solution for the SCOTT eRIDE R&D Team to achieve their goals.
TQ is a German company founded in 1994 that specializes in electric components across a range of industries including aerospace, medical and infrastructure. With the HPR50, they simply rewrote the rules, delivering an unprecedented weight/power ratio of 1.8kg for 50Nm. With a diameter of 8cm, TQ has innovated by using a harmonic gear system. This allows for a reduction of size, while also increasing the accuracy of the system. This results in a lighter bike, better integration while reducing backlash for a more natural pedaling sensation. This technology also allows for the reduction in system noise for a truly natural experience. After all, you are in the outdoors to, well, enjoy the outdoors.
The Tech behind The ALL-NEW LUMEN
2 BATTERIES, 1 INTERNAL, 1 EXTERNAL
The Lumen features a 360Wh internal battery which can be further complemented by a 160Wh external range extender. Easily fixed to the front water bottle mount with our unique SCOTT-designed quick-release mount, the range extender features a slim design and low weight, meaning minimal impact on the bike’s handling.
Thanks to TQ’s electronic expertise, the HPR50 battery, when combined with the range extender, guarantees maximum performance right through until empty. TQ use specific battery cells to ensure both the battery and range extender continue at full output, even as it reaches low capacity. The system can be charged with the range extender in place, the smart charger prioritising the bike battery’s charge first, so you’ll never be caught short when heading out to ride. The charge time is fast too, the main battery can reach 80% in two hours of charging.
2 WATER BOTTLE MOUNTS
Unlike most full suspension E-Bikes, on the Lumen there is no need to choose between the range extender or a water bottle - between longer rides and staying hydrated. Thanks to the integrated shock there is space for both an external battery and water. An optional sliding mount system also allows an easy switch between the front water bottle and the range extender, allowing either to be easily transported when out on longer rides.
SUSPENSION LAYOUT
The Lumen uses the same suspension layout as featured in the SCOTT Spark, now a double World Championship-winning bike. From the first time we rode the flex pivot layout, we fell in love. Now, years later, we still believe that for technical cross-country trail riding and fast, punchy singletrack, it’s the best approach. The suspension layout on the Lumen has a very specific and proven kinematic and less unsprung mass. Using a flex pivot in the seat stay is an ideal solution for bikes in this travel range and allows us to keep a very lightweight system while still ensuring optimal suspension performance.
INTEGRATED SUSPENSION TECHNOLOGY
The Spark debuted a frame platform with an integrated shock and the Lumen follows the same principle. Why integrated you ask? Well for one, we think it looks fantastic. But if we take a deeper look, this approach allows us to refine suspension characteristics without sacrificing weight. And when developing the world’s lightest E-MTB, every gram matters. For the optimal performance of a suspension shock, power transfer must be the most direct possible. What we want to avoid are any inefficient directional movements, in other words, lateral movements (sideways to the direction of travel) as the shock goes through its compression. Having an integrated shock allows us to improve this in several ways. Firstly, the frame construction around the shock and with the trunnion mount can be designed to be much more rigid, reducing movement and fostering more efficient power transfer. We can also add much larger bearings to the seat tube pivot, further reinforcing this area and reducing any unnecessary motion. While these may seem like minor improvements individually, the sum of their parts results in more efficient shock performance. Additionally, the shock is fully protected from any foreign elements. Rainy wintry ride? No problem, your shock will continue to perform at its best regardless.
Our integrated suspension technology also helps us to engineer frames with a lower shock placement which lowers center of gravity. As a result, the bike benefits from better handling, and a more stable, confidence-inspiring ride for the end user.
FRAME DESIGN
With 130mm of travel, it made perfect sense to utilize our tried and tested platform, the Spark 900. This design is the result of years of engineering experience and feedback from the most successful elite-level riders in the world. To fulfill the requirements of an electric system, adaptations were of course required, starting with the thickness of the carbon layup, the kinematics, the shock placement and the geometry. Even though the Lumen eRIDE and the Spark are analogous, the design of the Lumen has been optimized to fit the motor and the battery. The result is a motor and a battery integrated into a full suspension frame with an increase in volume of only 17% over the Spark. Looking at it, you can’t tell it’s an electric mountain bike.
SAG
Setting sag is also easy, as you can see what sag you’re running via an indicator on one of the pivots. Want to know if you’re using full suspension travel? Have a look through a port in the seat tube where you can see where your o-ring sits. You can easily move it back down to reset it.
COCKPIT
The Lumen 900 SL and 900 models feature the Fraser IC DC combo from Syncros. The designers worked on the shape to allow the cables to flow under the bar and around the sides of the stem before disappearing into the headset with integrated plastic parts to keep it clean and efficient. This avoids bends or kinks in the cables and provides a minimalist front end. In fact, when the system was developed, e-bike cables were already thought of in the design. All our bars and stems feature multiple options for computer, light and camera mounts both on top or under the bar.
The 910 and Contessa models feature a more standard bar and stem designed to work with the internal cable routing. Syncros provides all the touch points on the bike for the best riding experience.
HANDLEBAR REMOTE
The system can be controlled via a minimalistic handlebar remote paired to the integrated top tube display. The modes are easy to switch through, and, thanks to the ergonomic placement on the handlebar, can be easily controlled whilst riding, as well as when using Walk Mode.
TRACK YOUR RIDES
The TQ app offers real benefits and is easy to use. It’s easy to connect, customize and control your TQ-powered e-bike with the TQ E-Bike app. The bike comes with a suggested SCOTT motor tune, with the app you can tune your drive unit to either save battery life or maximize the power output. You can alter the pedal response either for a faster motor uptake response or to slow it down for a more natural feeling. Lastly you can customize the display, altering the order and number of screens available, turn on and off control sounds etc.
No buzz, no additional noise – simple essential information for when you and your E-Bike are on the go so you can ride more and enjoy the moment.
THE LUMEN PRODUCT RANGE
The new Lumen collection features 4 models: Lumen eRIDE 900 SL, Lumen eRIDE 900 and Lumen eRIDE 910, and one dedicated Contessa model. Discover the full collection on SCOTT-sports.com
All specs and pricing are provisional and might vary according to currency. Please reach out to your local SCOTT contact for further information.
I wonder how many of these new Scott e-bikes will actually reach their shock service interval time...
Dropping the motor to reach the shock sounds like a really fun little project
That scott and orbea make me embarrassed to be a mountain biker.
commencal tempo deets
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/commencal-introduces-all-ne…
new giant reign deets (WHAT UP REIGN SX!)
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/giant-introduces-all-new-ra…
You heard it here first folks, Giant is cool again
@sspomer how does it work when there are a bunch of press releases and bike releases on the same day like this? Is this just total coincidence? Is there some sort of market driver for fiscal year end or something on 12/1? I assume the product managers for these brands are pretty plugged in and have a pretty good idea of other company pending releases... or they get the info through the component mfg's somehow or is that assumption wrong? Is there a feedback loop from journalists that oof, that release date you chose is uhhh, busy?
Good day to have a beer at the end of the day and read about new stuff, that's always cool!
That routing looks like a mess
Spomer has way more experience in this field than I do, but I am always impressed that the first of every month is jam-packed with press releases. I always expect it to be busy on the 1st, and I've been curious why brands still launch new bikes/products on the first when you can only assume other press releases will be hitting the homepage.
I know people at brands chat, but with how many factors go into planning a product launch, it's got to be tough to change an embargo last minute just because someone else is launching something. I'm sure it happens to some degree though. I guess you just hope what you are launching is more progressive/eye-catching/important than others?
good question @ebruner. i actually have no idea how it works on the industry side. we knew orbea, giant and commencal were coming out today (anywhere from a few weeks to a week notice), and we got a generic PR email from scott last night at 130am about the lumen. the tip in this forum about "scott ebike on dec 1" was all we knew until that email dropped LOL. we don't tell brands about other launch dates (we're too busy w/ our own work), but i'm sure it can happen. not sure it would matter for big brands though. once a date is set, they're sticking w/ it.
a guess is that a bunch of containers with parts and/or frames have finally landed within the last few months and now bikes can be assembled and made ready for sale. maybe all these brands were waiting on the same thing? i don't know about fiscal year details or any of that. maybe they wanted to wait until after black friday so a deal wouldn't be expected on anything? i'd assume sales departments, marketing and PMs all work together to coordinate the launch times though.
edit: OR, maybe the International Headtube-routed Cable Alliance finalized their strategy for taking over the world last night
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