Japan making a ton of cool kit and not exporting it is easily shown by the JDM automotive market. That's the most visible and known tip of this cool shit iceberg. Electronics have a similar situation (their smart phones 20 years ago were bonkers). We will likely never know what else they made in more niche areas.
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try to remember but I see some guys with graphs and charts.
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try...
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try to remember but I see some guys with graphs and charts.
I don't know how you can export the files... but with BYB Telemetry you can compare two runs.
You can compare all the lines, all the histograms, the rider's trajectories, and more.
From the latest release, you can also wedge the 2nd run over the 1st run in order to get the best alignament.
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try...
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try to remember but I see some guys with graphs and charts.
I don't know how you can export the files... but with BYB Telemetry you can compare two runs.
You can compare all the lines, all the histograms, the rider's trajectories, and more.
From the latest release, you can also wedge the 2nd run over the 1st run in order to get the best alignament.
I wanted to jump in here and let everyone know that i am offering data acquisition services for MTB and Motos using the Motions Instruments system. I have over 15 years of experience data logging bicycles. I used both Aims and Cosworth motorsports system and they are great. they can allow to record and analyse all kinds of data (brake pressure, accelerations at the chassis, forks and rear suspension and a lot more) which is very useful when developing a bike.
But for good and accurate suspension setup the motions instruments is great. it's small, wireless and doesn't add a significant amount of weight to the bikes.
Obtaining the data is just one of the aspects, interpreting the data and rider feedback is what truly allows to achieve a really good setup
I had a session with @calinojoevideo which i ma sure he can vouch for my expertise. See you at Spyder mountain soon.
I am currently in Florida and will be heading to the Ocala and Santos trails area.
Interested in getting your bike setup? message me here or on instagram @El_Kinematico
Hi all,
I wanted to jump in here and let everyone know that i am offering data acquisition services for MTB and Motos using the Motions...
Hi all,
I wanted to jump in here and let everyone know that i am offering data acquisition services for MTB and Motos using the Motions Instruments system. I have over 15 years of experience data logging bicycles. I used both Aims and Cosworth motorsports system and they are great. they can allow to record and analyse all kinds of data (brake pressure, accelerations at the chassis, forks and rear suspension and a lot more) which is very useful when developing a bike.
But for good and accurate suspension setup the motions instruments is great. it's small, wireless and doesn't add a significant amount of weight to the bikes.
Obtaining the data is just one of the aspects, interpreting the data and rider feedback is what truly allows to achieve a really good setup
I had a session with @calinojoevideo which i ma sure he can vouch for my expertise. See you at Spyder mountain soon.
I am currently in Florida and will be heading to the Ocala and Santos trails area.
Interested in getting your bike setup? message me here or on instagram @El_Kinematico
Luis Arraiz
+1 for Luis if anyone has time to work with him. I’ve learned a lot from him and hope to do more testing in the future.
He’s a modest guy but he’s the designer of many iconic DH bikes that we all know, from K-Nine, GT and Cannondale. Stoked he checked in here!
A few quick hit learnings from me:
1. The Mach 4SL was considerably harder to dial in than I thought it would be but after spending...
A few quick hit learnings from me:
1. The Mach 4SL was considerably harder to dial in than I thought it would be but after spending a bunch of time assessing why that would be I came to the conclusion that the sensors were not stable enough. It was hard to get them right because that bike just doesn't have a lot of surface area to attach them to. I did finally figure it out and get them to work but I run that as a 106/120 and it is very stiff in general. It is much more widely dispersed on the best settings for climbing vs descending than the Switchblade. I would have guessed that to be the opposite but I think it has to do with how stiff it is in general. All in all, I did end up much closer to where I started than I did with the Switchblade though and I can detect a positive impact in both situations but nothing like the Switchblade. I still haven't been able to best my PR on the downhill test trail with the Mach 4SL. It used to be ~10 seconds faster than the Switchblade, now it is dead even. Uphill the M4SL still wins easily as you might imagine given that it weighs 6lbs less.
2. If any of you are curious if LiveValve has a meaningful impact on your suspension, I can confirm that it is crystal clear when collecting data. I mistakenly left it in firm on a descent once and the numbers vs comfort were way different. I could feel it before but I'm not sure I'm a good enough rider to really get the full feel and nail it down (although, when I descending that time I kept saying "WTF is wrong with this bike?" in my head, realized after I stopped) but the data shows it easily.
3. I'm sure this is part me getting better at it but the Firebird has proven to be the easiest one so far. Instead of just going with what I had on the first run, I made some assumptions based on my other two bikes that I've dialed in and it was pretty close to where I wanted it after one run. I haven't had time for a second run yet but that should be enough to do it.
Next up is the Repeater PT. I don't ride it very often without my child up front (Kids Ride Shotgun 2.0 seat) and don't ride e-bikes very much in general so it will be interesting to see how far off that one is.
Again, thanks to everyone here for the advice and pointers. This has been a lot of fun to figure out so far and it would have been far more difficult without your help.
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some...
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some tips on the software here (in random order):
- When looking at the distribution charts you can always click "hide zeros" to get a better view of the lines. More than that, I'd recommend clicking on the "enlarge" button that will open the chart in a new dialog (with totally customizable zoom).
- Switch a lot between "lines", "dots" and "histograms" visualizations to get the best out of any chart.
- Use the comparison and have a look at the delta-time chart to know in which section of the track you were faster.
- The auto-tuning is considering the whole run. It's almost ready with a new software version, that includes the summary and the auto-tuning referred to a specific selection.
- The auto-tuning is thought to analyze mainly the downhill section. We're working on the possibility of adding more parameters to refine the tunings (such as track type, etc....).
- We always recommend tuning suspension by looking at the charts rather than only the auto-tuning. The auto-tuning is not always true, sometimes riders do like specific setups.
- The software is updated every 1-2 months with new charts, features, and bug fixes.
- The smartphone app shows some basic and interesting stuff, but it's nothing compared to the software.
- The system can be used as a lap timer (both based on GPS and with an external sensor).
- The software can handle different "BYB modes": MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspensions), CAR (4 suspensions), OPEN (any kind of analog sensor) and even BrakeAce (wired version of their sensors). All the views on the software are automatically updated according to the mode selected.
- Working directly with all the major World Cup teams - no time to waste between runs (literally 5 minutes) - drove us to make the software as usable and understandable as possible in very fast times. They can now set up bikes in less than 5 minutes, taking into account a lot of different charts and parameters.
- The software can be used by data-addicted, engineers and "normal" persons
- We can provide custom and 1:1 training session
-I'd recommend to tweak the parameters of the bikes one at a time. Once you get more experience you can do more parameters at a time. For example, in just 4 runs is possible to move from a "crap" bike to a very well-balanced one. After that, it's always possible to spend nights and nights on the data to find perfection.
About the BYB Telemetry hardware, I can say:
- Some World Cup riders, bike shops, and other types of riders did a very nice job on the cable management (see image below).
- We started by getting sensors from a supplier, but we ended up manufacturing our custom linear sensors. They're now at 80mm and 210mm of stroke. Perfect size to maximize stroke travel and overall footprint.
- The calibration is automatic. It's true if you're jumping at least one time during the run. In the next releases, we'll add also a new type of manual calibration (just for those who want to do it).
- The hardware can be used on MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspension) and CAR (4 suspension).
- We can provide frame mountings or design services.
- We can create custom loggers for any kind of sensors and need. For example, the data acquisition unit you can see installed on the Commencal (previous page) has been developed by us just for Commencal Muc-off. They have several and they're using it with Pierron, Daprela, Marini, Nicole, Rudeau, etc... The same applies to the custom unit that Madison Saracen is running. Again, the same for MS-Mondraker and various bike or parts manufacturers.
They're running a full BYB Telemetry data acquisition here (Matt Walker's bike). In this neat configuration, you can have: fork sensor, shock sensor, x2 brake sensor, x1 speed sensor, and automotive GPS antenna.
Feel free to throw any questions,
Cheers!
Enrico
PS: new piece of hardware that is about to be released. BYB Chrono (https://www.bybtech.it/chrono) - lap timer with external triggers to get super accurate timings. You can already download the app from the Apple Store and play with it (the Android release should be available in a couple of days). Strangely the process with Apple was faster than Android... never happened! ahah
What do you charge for a training session? Would love to learn how I can better use the software
A few quick hit learnings from me:
1. The Mach 4SL was considerably harder to dial in than I thought it would be but after spending...
A few quick hit learnings from me:
1. The Mach 4SL was considerably harder to dial in than I thought it would be but after spending a bunch of time assessing why that would be I came to the conclusion that the sensors were not stable enough. It was hard to get them right because that bike just doesn't have a lot of surface area to attach them to. I did finally figure it out and get them to work but I run that as a 106/120 and it is very stiff in general. It is much more widely dispersed on the best settings for climbing vs descending than the Switchblade. I would have guessed that to be the opposite but I think it has to do with how stiff it is in general. All in all, I did end up much closer to where I started than I did with the Switchblade though and I can detect a positive impact in both situations but nothing like the Switchblade. I still haven't been able to best my PR on the downhill test trail with the Mach 4SL. It used to be ~10 seconds faster than the Switchblade, now it is dead even. Uphill the M4SL still wins easily as you might imagine given that it weighs 6lbs less.
2. If any of you are curious if LiveValve has a meaningful impact on your suspension, I can confirm that it is crystal clear when collecting data. I mistakenly left it in firm on a descent once and the numbers vs comfort were way different. I could feel it before but I'm not sure I'm a good enough rider to really get the full feel and nail it down (although, when I descending that time I kept saying "WTF is wrong with this bike?" in my head, realized after I stopped) but the data shows it easily.
3. I'm sure this is part me getting better at it but the Firebird has proven to be the easiest one so far. Instead of just going with what I had on the first run, I made some assumptions based on my other two bikes that I've dialed in and it was pretty close to where I wanted it after one run. I haven't had time for a second run yet but that should be enough to do it.
Next up is the Repeater PT. I don't ride it very often without my child up front (Kids Ride Shotgun 2.0 seat) and don't ride e-bikes very much in general so it will be interesting to see how far off that one is.
Again, thanks to everyone here for the advice and pointers. This has been a lot of fun to figure out so far and it would have been far more difficult without your help.
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some...
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some tips on the software here (in random order):
- When looking at the distribution charts you can always click "hide zeros" to get a better view of the lines. More than that, I'd recommend clicking on the "enlarge" button that will open the chart in a new dialog (with totally customizable zoom).
- Switch a lot between "lines", "dots" and "histograms" visualizations to get the best out of any chart.
- Use the comparison and have a look at the delta-time chart to know in which section of the track you were faster.
- The auto-tuning is considering the whole run. It's almost ready with a new software version, that includes the summary and the auto-tuning referred to a specific selection.
- The auto-tuning is thought to analyze mainly the downhill section. We're working on the possibility of adding more parameters to refine the tunings (such as track type, etc....).
- We always recommend tuning suspension by looking at the charts rather than only the auto-tuning. The auto-tuning is not always true, sometimes riders do like specific setups.
- The software is updated every 1-2 months with new charts, features, and bug fixes.
- The smartphone app shows some basic and interesting stuff, but it's nothing compared to the software.
- The system can be used as a lap timer (both based on GPS and with an external sensor).
- The software can handle different "BYB modes": MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspensions), CAR (4 suspensions), OPEN (any kind of analog sensor) and even BrakeAce (wired version of their sensors). All the views on the software are automatically updated according to the mode selected.
- Working directly with all the major World Cup teams - no time to waste between runs (literally 5 minutes) - drove us to make the software as usable and understandable as possible in very fast times. They can now set up bikes in less than 5 minutes, taking into account a lot of different charts and parameters.
- The software can be used by data-addicted, engineers and "normal" persons
- We can provide custom and 1:1 training session
-I'd recommend to tweak the parameters of the bikes one at a time. Once you get more experience you can do more parameters at a time. For example, in just 4 runs is possible to move from a "crap" bike to a very well-balanced one. After that, it's always possible to spend nights and nights on the data to find perfection.
About the BYB Telemetry hardware, I can say:
- Some World Cup riders, bike shops, and other types of riders did a very nice job on the cable management (see image below).
- We started by getting sensors from a supplier, but we ended up manufacturing our custom linear sensors. They're now at 80mm and 210mm of stroke. Perfect size to maximize stroke travel and overall footprint.
- The calibration is automatic. It's true if you're jumping at least one time during the run. In the next releases, we'll add also a new type of manual calibration (just for those who want to do it).
- The hardware can be used on MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspension) and CAR (4 suspension).
- We can provide frame mountings or design services.
- We can create custom loggers for any kind of sensors and need. For example, the data acquisition unit you can see installed on the Commencal (previous page) has been developed by us just for Commencal Muc-off. They have several and they're using it with Pierron, Daprela, Marini, Nicole, Rudeau, etc... The same applies to the custom unit that Madison Saracen is running. Again, the same for MS-Mondraker and various bike or parts manufacturers.
They're running a full BYB Telemetry data acquisition here (Matt Walker's bike). In this neat configuration, you can have: fork sensor, shock sensor, x2 brake sensor, x1 speed sensor, and automotive GPS antenna.
Feel free to throw any questions,
Cheers!
Enrico
PS: new piece of hardware that is about to be released. BYB Chrono (https://www.bybtech.it/chrono) - lap timer with external triggers to get super accurate timings. You can already download the app from the Apple Store and play with it (the Android release should be available in a couple of days). Strangely the process with Apple was faster than Android... never happened! ahah
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some...
Hello @az2au,
thanks for your comments!
I noticed just now this thread and it looks very interesting!
About the BYB Telemetry system, I can give some tips on the software here (in random order):
- When looking at the distribution charts you can always click "hide zeros" to get a better view of the lines. More than that, I'd recommend clicking on the "enlarge" button that will open the chart in a new dialog (with totally customizable zoom).
- Switch a lot between "lines", "dots" and "histograms" visualizations to get the best out of any chart.
- Use the comparison and have a look at the delta-time chart to know in which section of the track you were faster.
- The auto-tuning is considering the whole run. It's almost ready with a new software version, that includes the summary and the auto-tuning referred to a specific selection.
- The auto-tuning is thought to analyze mainly the downhill section. We're working on the possibility of adding more parameters to refine the tunings (such as track type, etc....).
- We always recommend tuning suspension by looking at the charts rather than only the auto-tuning. The auto-tuning is not always true, sometimes riders do like specific setups.
- The software is updated every 1-2 months with new charts, features, and bug fixes.
- The smartphone app shows some basic and interesting stuff, but it's nothing compared to the software.
- The system can be used as a lap timer (both based on GPS and with an external sensor).
- The software can handle different "BYB modes": MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspensions), CAR (4 suspensions), OPEN (any kind of analog sensor) and even BrakeAce (wired version of their sensors). All the views on the software are automatically updated according to the mode selected.
- Working directly with all the major World Cup teams - no time to waste between runs (literally 5 minutes) - drove us to make the software as usable and understandable as possible in very fast times. They can now set up bikes in less than 5 minutes, taking into account a lot of different charts and parameters.
- The software can be used by data-addicted, engineers and "normal" persons
- We can provide custom and 1:1 training session
-I'd recommend to tweak the parameters of the bikes one at a time. Once you get more experience you can do more parameters at a time. For example, in just 4 runs is possible to move from a "crap" bike to a very well-balanced one. After that, it's always possible to spend nights and nights on the data to find perfection.
About the BYB Telemetry hardware, I can say:
- Some World Cup riders, bike shops, and other types of riders did a very nice job on the cable management (see image below).
- We started by getting sensors from a supplier, but we ended up manufacturing our custom linear sensors. They're now at 80mm and 210mm of stroke. Perfect size to maximize stroke travel and overall footprint.
- The calibration is automatic. It's true if you're jumping at least one time during the run. In the next releases, we'll add also a new type of manual calibration (just for those who want to do it).
- The hardware can be used on MTB, MX, QUAD (3 suspension) and CAR (4 suspension).
- We can provide frame mountings or design services.
- We can create custom loggers for any kind of sensors and need. For example, the data acquisition unit you can see installed on the Commencal (previous page) has been developed by us just for Commencal Muc-off. They have several and they're using it with Pierron, Daprela, Marini, Nicole, Rudeau, etc... The same applies to the custom unit that Madison Saracen is running. Again, the same for MS-Mondraker and various bike or parts manufacturers.
They're running a full BYB Telemetry data acquisition here (Matt Walker's bike). In this neat configuration, you can have: fork sensor, shock sensor, x2 brake sensor, x1 speed sensor, and automotive GPS antenna.
Feel free to throw any questions,
Cheers!
Enrico
PS: new piece of hardware that is about to be released. BYB Chrono (https://www.bybtech.it/chrono) - lap timer with external triggers to get super accurate timings. You can already download the app from the Apple Store and play with it (the Android release should be available in a couple of days). Strangely the process with Apple was faster than Android... never happened! ahah
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also I like the straight (rather than 90 degree) connectors
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also...
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also I like the straight (rather than 90 degree) connectors
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also...
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also I like the straight (rather than 90 degree) connectors
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also...
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also I like the straight (rather than 90 degree) connectors
That new box is looking really clean! Does it offer the same data and battery as the bigger version?
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version, but charging time is faster. You can run 8/9 hours of sampling without issues.
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version...
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version, but charging time is faster. You can run 8/9 hours of sampling without issues.
That’s really cool!
so if I was only interested in fork and shock data I could get 3 port, and if I want fork, shock brakes, it’s the 5?
is this system same price or different than what’s currently offered?
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version...
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version, but charging time is faster. You can run 8/9 hours of sampling without issues.
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way...
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way more sophisticated.
What stops it from working on EXT? It does look like they did an awesome job on it! super clever design and mounting methods
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way...
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way more sophisticated.
What stops it from working on EXT? It does look like they did an awesome job on it! super clever design and mounting methods
Based on comments in the tech rumors thread, not much. The valve is just used as an attachment point and EXT's double valves are in the wrong spots. I'd guess it should be pretty easy to come up w/ a solution...
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way...
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way more sophisticated.
Based on comments in the tech rumors thread, not much. The valve is just used as an attachment point and EXT's double valves are in the...
Based on comments in the tech rumors thread, not much. The valve is just used as an attachment point and EXT's double valves are in the wrong spots. I'd guess it should be pretty easy to come up w/ a solution...
Agreed. I would think drilling an offset hole in the metal tab to align with one of the two valves should do the trick.
"We do not support EXT or traditional coil spring forks. While you can modify our system to fit these, we will not warranty if the product is damaged being used on unsupported forks."
Found this on their site:
https://motioninstruments.com/products/system-2
"We do not support EXT or traditional coil spring forks. While you can modify our system to fit these, we...
"We do not support EXT or traditional coil spring forks. While you can modify our system to fit these, we will not warranty if the product is damaged being used on unsupported forks."
Ah yes I figured I should RTFW and saw that....also could have walked the 2 steps to an EXT fork on the wall to figured it out....
Should be easy to work around with an adpator cap. I think a pass-through valve cap would be cool for these as well, so you don't mess with the sensor mount when changing pressure
I’m definitely getting one of these as long as there’s a way to adapt it to my EXT ERA. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution to offer for sale
I’m definitely getting one of these as long as there’s a way to adapt it to my EXT ERA. Hopefully someone will come up with a...
I’m definitely getting one of these as long as there’s a way to adapt it to my EXT ERA. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution to offer for sale
I have the old tracer sensor I mount with double sided 3M tape using the old DH mount. You could do this on the EXT Era. I just cut the little piece of aluminum and drilled a hole in it. I actually prefer it this way because then you don’t have the sensor flipping around when changing air pressure and you don’t need to recalibrate each time you adjust air.
I wonder if there’s enough thread on the valve stem to put on a finger nut (similar to the ones that hold presta stems in place) to hold the mount, and still have enough threads to engage the shock pump?
I wonder if there’s enough thread on the valve stem to put on a finger nut (similar to the ones that hold presta stems in place)...
I wonder if there’s enough thread on the valve stem to put on a finger nut (similar to the ones that hold presta stems in place) to hold the mount, and still have enough threads to engage the shock pump?
On the old version it sits flush with the top cap and the cap threads down into the valve, It wouldn’t be able to use both at the same time.
Sounds like an opportunity for peeps w/ 3d printing skills to make some stuff (and hopefully open-sourcing it to add to this: https://motioninstruments.com/pages/diy)
Been researching the new Motion Instruments kit and think I understand things. I run rebound at enduro pro speeds because I know that's what I need, look for a trail feature and setup that will let me generation a compression shaft speed close to pro numbers, let whether I can hold onto the bike or generate that speed affect my self-esteem, and, if I can do either, incessantly stat-drop in forums. Only thing I can't figure out is how to share all my set-up sessions with the world. The strava integration bit doesn't seem to allow for that?
. . . just bumping this thread in hopes some people would be wiling to share their experiences with the new MI kit. Always awesome and educational to hear from the pros and suspension nerds, but would also be great to hear from a non-"engineer" as to how hard it's been to figure this thing out and make your setup materially better. Someone of moderate intelligence but extraordinary stubbornness would be perfect.
Been researching the new Motion Instruments kit and think I understand things. I run rebound at enduro pro speeds because I know that's what I need...
Been researching the new Motion Instruments kit and think I understand things. I run rebound at enduro pro speeds because I know that's what I need, look for a trail feature and setup that will let me generation a compression shaft speed close to pro numbers, let whether I can hold onto the bike or generate that speed affect my self-esteem, and, if I can do either, incessantly stat-drop in forums. Only thing I can't figure out is how to share all my set-up sessions with the world. The strava integration bit doesn't seem to allow for that?
. . . just bumping this thread in hopes some people would be wiling to share their experiences with the new MI kit. Always awesome and educational to hear from the pros and suspension nerds, but would also be great to hear from a non-"engineer" as to how hard it's been to figure this thing out and make your setup materially better. Someone of moderate intelligence but extraordinary stubbornness would be perfect.
Well the new MI stuff got pushed back due to some production gremlins. So I'm not sure anyones running it yet. As soon as I get mine I'll give an update.
Though from what he said in his latest email, sounds like the data that the v2 is much more accurate the the v1 as measured from a dyno so I'm really excited to see what the data says about things going forward!
Japan making a ton of cool kit and not exporting it is easily shown by the JDM automotive market. That's the most visible and known tip of this cool shit iceberg. Electronics have a similar situation (their smart phones 20 years ago were bonkers). We will likely never know what else they made in more niche areas.
Does anyone have a program or a good way to compare different runs with motion instruments data? Right now I just go between runs and try to remember but I see some guys with graphs and charts.
Thanks!
Hello @carlinojoevide,
happy new year!
I don't know how you can export the files... but with BYB Telemetry you can compare two runs.
You can compare all the lines, all the histograms, the rider's trajectories, and more.
From the latest release, you can also wedge the 2nd run over the 1st run in order to get the best alignament.
Dang, that’s pretty cool!
Hi all,
I wanted to jump in here and let everyone know that i am offering data acquisition services for MTB and Motos using the Motions Instruments system. I have over 15 years of experience data logging bicycles. I used both Aims and Cosworth motorsports system and they are great. they can allow to record and analyse all kinds of data (brake pressure, accelerations at the chassis, forks and rear suspension and a lot more) which is very useful when developing a bike.
But for good and accurate suspension setup the motions instruments is great. it's small, wireless and doesn't add a significant amount of weight to the bikes.
Obtaining the data is just one of the aspects, interpreting the data and rider feedback is what truly allows to achieve a really good setup
I had a session with @calinojoevideo which i ma sure he can vouch for my expertise. See you at Spyder mountain soon.
I am currently in Florida and will be heading to the Ocala and Santos trails area.
Interested in getting your bike setup? message me here or on instagram @El_Kinematico
Luis Arraiz
+1 for Luis if anyone has time to work with him. I’ve learned a lot from him and hope to do more testing in the future.
He’s a modest guy but he’s the designer of many iconic DH bikes that we all know, from K-Nine, GT and Cannondale. Stoked he checked in here!
What do you charge for a training session? Would love to learn how I can better use the software
Hello @longfellow
thanks for you message! Send us an email at info@bybtech.it
Best
Enrico
Is it possible to buy this version on the computer? Never use the other adaptors/ports, and a frame mounted battery computer would be much better, also I like the straight (rather than 90 degree) connectors
Yes, that's possible. Email us: info@bybtech.it
And check this out (Finn's bike): custom unit with 5 connectors
That new box is looking really clean! Does it offer the same data and battery as the bigger version?
Hello!
This is a custom version. It can be available in 3, 5 or 8 connector versions.
The battery is smaller than the current V2 version, but charging time is faster. You can run 8/9 hours of sampling without issues.
That’s really cool!
so if I was only interested in fork and shock data I could get 3 port, and if I want fork, shock brakes, it’s the 5?
is this system same price or different than what’s currently offered?
Exactly!
If you want more stuff (like extra external accelerometers) you can combine the sensors as you wish.
Since these systems are custom made, they generally costs a little bit more. But email us for all the info: info@bybtech.it
For example here, Angelo Pellegrini (prr SX rider) is running the 3 connectors version on his Supercross bike:
New system from motion instruments is now available. Easier to install and less expensive.
Doesn't work w/ EXT forks, so does that mean Manitou isn't supported either?
Still seems like a killer product, ~$USD150 more than a ShoickWiz and way more sophisticated.
Massive shoutout to Rob for this. It looks awesome and fixes the annoying rear sensor issue! Looking forward to getting my hands on one!
What stops it from working on EXT? It does look like they did an awesome job on it! super clever design and mounting methods
Based on comments in the tech rumors thread, not much. The valve is just used as an attachment point and EXT's double valves are in the wrong spots. I'd guess it should be pretty easy to come up w/ a solution...
Agreed. I would think drilling an offset hole in the metal tab to align with one of the two valves should do the trick.
Found this on their site:
https://motioninstruments.com/products/system-2
"We do not support EXT or traditional coil spring forks. While you can modify our system to fit these, we will not warranty if the product is damaged being used on unsupported forks."
Ah yes I figured I should RTFW and saw that....also could have walked the 2 steps to an EXT fork on the wall to figured it out....
Should be easy to work around with an adpator cap. I think a pass-through valve cap would be cool for these as well, so you don't mess with the sensor mount when changing pressure
I’m definitely getting one of these as long as there’s a way to adapt it to my EXT ERA. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution to offer for sale
I have the old tracer sensor I mount with double sided 3M tape using the old DH mount. You could do this on the EXT Era. I just cut the little piece of aluminum and drilled a hole in it. I actually prefer it this way because then you don’t have the sensor flipping around when changing air pressure and you don’t need to recalibrate each time you adjust air.
I wonder if there’s enough thread on the valve stem to put on a finger nut (similar to the ones that hold presta stems in place) to hold the mount, and still have enough threads to engage the shock pump?
On the old version it sits flush with the top cap and the cap threads down into the valve, It wouldn’t be able to use both at the same time.
Sounds like an opportunity for peeps w/ 3d printing skills to make some stuff (and hopefully open-sourcing it to add to this: https://motioninstruments.com/pages/diy)
Been researching the new Motion Instruments kit and think I understand things. I run rebound at enduro pro speeds because I know that's what I need, look for a trail feature and setup that will let me generation a compression shaft speed close to pro numbers, let whether I can hold onto the bike or generate that speed affect my self-esteem, and, if I can do either, incessantly stat-drop in forums. Only thing I can't figure out is how to share all my set-up sessions with the world. The strava integration bit doesn't seem to allow for that?
. . . just bumping this thread in hopes some people would be wiling to share their experiences with the new MI kit. Always awesome and educational to hear from the pros and suspension nerds, but would also be great to hear from a non-"engineer" as to how hard it's been to figure this thing out and make your setup materially better. Someone of moderate intelligence but extraordinary stubbornness would be perfect.
Well the new MI stuff got pushed back due to some production gremlins. So I'm not sure anyones running it yet. As soon as I get mine I'll give an update.
Though from what he said in his latest email, sounds like the data that the v2 is much more accurate the the v1 as measured from a dyno so I'm really excited to see what the data says about things going forward!
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