Makes sense, the casing is different. What's your experience on the durability of the bike park version (puncture resistance and wear)? I'm impressed by the performance...
Makes sense, the casing is different. What's your experience on the durability of the bike park version (puncture resistance and wear)? I'm impressed by the performance but I only got a couple of rides on it so far
The wear on the bike park version seems to be good, I wont say great but certainly not bad! Pinch flat resistance is really good I ran low pressure just to test it and it faired really well. Puncture resistance I have had it on for a while now and no punctures or cuts, although I have an 1/8IN circle or missing tire in the sidewall but its only in the outermost layer never leaked sealant or lost air so im impressed.
The Michelin DH34 race tires just works on everything! I've only ran these tires on my DH bike. But I don't think I'll go back to any other brand again. (Okay, maybe Maxxis. Can't fault them, they make great tires.) The DH34 have the best of both worlds. They grip like Continental's DH tires over rocks and roots and are super stable like Maxxis's DH casings tires at high speeds over hard, blue groove park trails. Meaning the sidewalls won't give out when hitting berms at high speeds. I do find two small faults with the Michelin DH tires though. First is that they are heavy. If you plan on running these, plan on going with a tubless set-up. Once you pick up the tire, you'll understand. It's meant for DH and its reinforced. It still grips like a soft Continental Der Kaiser Projekt, but its tougher than a Maxxis DH Casing tire. The knobby's won't rip off like Maxxis tires do. And the second thing is that there sizing it a bit smaller than a Maxxis DHR 2 or Highroller 2. The DH34 says its a 2.4. But in reality, it's more like a 2.35ish size. And the side wall isn't as tall either. I'll post a picture to try and give you an idea of it. But all in all, I love them and will continue to run Michelin's tires. I'm already looking forwards to mounting a pair of Michelin's enduro tires to my trail bike. There great! You won't be disappointed.
Michelin are a strange company. Great rubber. Dh34 , 22 and rockr2 are perfect treads. They have the pattern and rubber then they discontinue the rockr2 which is their best tire. They should be making different widths and casing weights. They dont listen to their market. They should atleast have 2.6 in addition to the 2.4 current width of the dh 34, 22 and rockr2. The rockr 2 is listed as a 2.35 and its a hair wider than a dh34 2.4.
Wild enduros and ewilds are ok mostly because of the rjbber and they roll a bit faster. Side/edge knobs are a good suppotive size but theyre spaced too far apart. They shouldnt be spaced farther apart then a dh34 side knobs. Rockr2 wins the support war with large slightly less spaced side knobs.
They slso need atleast 3 weights of the dh 34 , 22 and rockr2. 22 and 34 with current bike park casing and dh race option are great. A 1000g option would be nice for a trail bike. The rockr2 needs to return in a 2.4 and 2.6 and add a 1000g option and a full dh casing option around 1400g ish and maybe ramp/bevel the center knobs slightly to make it roll faster.
Never seen a company with so little market self awareness. Theyre bleeding market share with their lack of options, even though they have the tread patterns, best rubber, widths and casing weights. For some reason they can't figure out that they need to offer all of that into every model. That doesnt help when youre trying to find the right tire. Confusing selection
Website does indeed suck further confusing their market.
Thry probably wont change though and will continue operating in a bubble
Well look at Maxxis. THey have a metric shitton of tyre options, casings, rubbers and treads. Yet except for the aggressor and the DHF, there is no 29 widetrail option in a dual compound rubber and DH casing. DD casing tyres (which would be a good option for the rear on a trail bike) also come only in 3C rubber. So for trail riding you're more or less stuck with EXO casings (I currently have a dual compound Assegai mounted front and back on my trail bike because of the cold, as 3C falls apart in the cold).
Last 3 months I run DH22 on both ends... yeah 3009g kombo is bit on a heavy side ale asphalt rolling resistance is close to the army tank, but oh man... these are pure grip monsters everywhere! love them... waiting for DH34 for the rear to make it bit faster uphiller... definitelly recommend for every day ride... your legs will grow visibly each pedal stroke and you will be rocket uphill on some average tyres later on :-D
Well look at Maxxis. THey have a metric shitton of tyre options, casings, rubbers and treads. Yet except for the aggressor and the DHF, there is...
Well look at Maxxis. THey have a metric shitton of tyre options, casings, rubbers and treads. Yet except for the aggressor and the DHF, there is no 29 widetrail option in a dual compound rubber and DH casing. DD casing tyres (which would be a good option for the rear on a trail bike) also come only in 3C rubber. So for trail riding you're more or less stuck with EXO casings (I currently have a dual compound Assegai mounted front and back on my trail bike because of the cold, as 3C falls apart in the cold).
And you still can't get Assegai in EXO or EXO+ MaxxGrip, you have to use a 1300g DD casing to get MaxxGrip, which I don't need for a front tire on a bike I pedal. They do have a DHF EXO MaxxGrip now though... And their dual compound center knobs are like plastic, Maxxis is pretty far behind in some ways. The difference in traction of those center knobs in the Aggressor vs WE Rear Gum-X is night and day in some conditions, and the Michelin is both ~150g lighter (vs DD 2.5) and stronger. DD's 120 tpi casings are not very tear resistant, IMO the only Maxxis worth it are DH MaxxGrip and they wear super fast and cost a lot.
Maxxis are all hype at this point. Quality control is down the tubes and tech is old now. Michelin rubber , sidewall/casing tech is far better. Schwalbe big betty/mm is looking good on that front too. Vee rubber has some great treads and some new tech coming out. Maxxis is slipping
Maxxis are all hype at this point. Quality control is down the tubes and tech is old now. Michelin rubber , sidewall/casing tech is far better...
Maxxis are all hype at this point. Quality control is down the tubes and tech is old now. Michelin rubber , sidewall/casing tech is far better. Schwalbe big betty/mm is looking good on that front too. Vee rubber has some great treads and some new tech coming out. Maxxis is slipping
While I tend to agree that maxims is way over hyped, the assegai is a great thread and so is the DHRII
Maxxis are all hype at this point. Quality control is down the tubes and tech is old now. Michelin rubber , sidewall/casing tech is far better...
Maxxis are all hype at this point. Quality control is down the tubes and tech is old now. Michelin rubber , sidewall/casing tech is far better. Schwalbe big betty/mm is looking good on that front too. Vee rubber has some great treads and some new tech coming out. Maxxis is slipping
While I tend to agree that maxims is way over hyped, the assegai is a great thread and so is the DHRII
Yes they are and dhf. There is just better tire tech elsewhere atm. I did a back to back one year on my 2 bikes. One with 2.5/2.4 dhf/dhr2 in a dd casing and the other bike with 2.35 rockr2 f/r(rockr2 2.35 is about a 2.45maxxis width and basically the weight of a dd). Huck norris in the reatr tire of both bikes. Michelin sealed tubeless easier and held air better. Way less rim strikes with the mich, grippier rubber on the mich, more edgy supportive side knobs and better braking with mich also. Dhf/dhr2 rolled slightly faster. Rockr2 dug out of corners like nothing else out there. Im on dh34 now and thats close to the rockr2 in the corners, sheds mud a bit better and rolls faster. Bike park version is a sweet tire. If it didnt have the weight gain the dh34 race with the wire bead and thicker sidewall is amazing. Out bike parks the bike park model by a long shot. Push it in the berms and the bead doesnt stretch like the bike park model. There is no wondering just edgy goodness. I could feel stretch in the bead on the ewild, rockr2 and dh34 bike park and it'd show with little leakage of sealant at the end of every day. Enduro bike i have dh34 bike park and on my emtb i have dh 34 race(yellow sidewall) atm
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone running a 150 mm trail bike for general riding with most rides starting and ending at home with virtually no bikeparks, what to run? I'm currently running either Assegais front and back (3C in the front, dual in the rear, with a dual in the front because of the cold, where the 3C tears) or sometimes an aggressor in the back (dual compound of course) with the Assegai front. All tyres are EXOs, 2,5 WTs, mounted tubeless and there's an ARD in the rear wheel. Rims are 30 mm (either XM1501s or an EX511).
The DH22/34 is quite off putting due to the weight (the bike is very long and thus more of a freight train as is, I would prefer to make it more lively than make it even more of a steam roller).
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone...
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone running a 150 mm trail bike for general riding with most rides starting and ending at home with virtually no bikeparks, what to run? I'm currently running either Assegais front and back (3C in the front, dual in the rear, with a dual in the front because of the cold, where the 3C tears) or sometimes an aggressor in the back (dual compound of course) with the Assegai front. All tyres are EXOs, 2,5 WTs, mounted tubeless and there's an ARD in the rear wheel. Rims are 30 mm (either XM1501s or an EX511).
The DH22/34 is quite off putting due to the weight (the bike is very long and thus more of a freight train as is, I would prefer to make it more lively than make it even more of a steam roller).
Wild Enduro seems like a good choice, the rubber is far better vs Maxxis DC imo. WE front is pretty close in grip vs Assegai Maxxgrip in the dry, but is more versatile, it works well in mud too. WE rear is far superior vs Aggressor all around, though maybe a little slower rolling.
Magi-X or Gum-X3D for the front? How does the Gum handle longevity in the rear compared to a DC/3C?
I wouldn't recommend the Magi-X in winter, I'm waiting until March to get one myself as I'm not riding much anyway. The Enduro rear doesn't have good longevity but the grip is good. If you don't mind a little bit of weight (and protection) maybe look at the dh34 bikepark, it works great and i costs 21€ which is insane, I honestly wouldn't mind paying the usual 45/50€ for it. I had a Rockr2 in Gum-x in the past and wear was pretty good, much better than a maxxterra Maxxis. Assegais usually wear quite nicely tho, so take that into account.
I'll stick to what I have for the winter, I'll experiment in the spring/summer when it gets warmer and dryer
Plus we have snow everywhere now, so it's XC skiing time, sadly no bike for a while (aided by the pandemic, preventing any excursions to the warm south).
I know about the price and longevity of the bikepark, but, sadly, no, no bueno with that weight
I've always run DC tyres in the rear, except for the OEM High Roller on my Reign a few years ago, but that gave up the ghost in a month or two... Or a 3C DD High Roller II that was destroyed after a week of french granite when we went to Mega in 2019. It's DC for me for general riding as I also have between 5 and 10 km of asphalt transfers on the average ~20 km ride, that's why I'm maybe a bit hesitant seeing the rear is Gum only, might seem a bit soft.
To be fair the lack of harder compounds is the exact reason why I looked into something else than Maxxis (I had that same Hr2 DD and it lasted less than two months before it was useless), but it's a problem only if you need something more robust than an Exo+. Maybe Schwalbe? If I recall correctly they've recently updated their casings
Regarding thread durability on the WE, I actually found them to be more durable than Maxxterra. I'm on a set since July and except for the casing (which I already mentioned on my previous comments) the thread is remarkably fine. The rear one is missing some knobs, but still doing it's job perfectly ok. A rear Maxxterra on me tends to last about 3/4months max.
My previous rear tyre was actually a DD Aggressor. I find the WE Rear to roll just as well, much more predictable in corners, better braking and way way better climbing traction.
Meanwhile, I've decided to wait a little bit more for Michelin to release the Racing Line (heavier casing) Wild Enduros. According to their IG this should be happening at any moment
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone...
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone running a 150 mm trail bike for general riding with most rides starting and ending at home with virtually no bikeparks, what to run? I'm currently running either Assegais front and back (3C in the front, dual in the rear, with a dual in the front because of the cold, where the 3C tears) or sometimes an aggressor in the back (dual compound of course) with the Assegai front. All tyres are EXOs, 2,5 WTs, mounted tubeless and there's an ARD in the rear wheel. Rims are 30 mm (either XM1501s or an EX511).
The DH22/34 is quite off putting due to the weight (the bike is very long and thus more of a freight train as is, I would prefer to make it more lively than make it even more of a steam roller).
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and moderately wet trails with minimal roots and rocks. The assegai sticks much better to hard surfaces like rock and wood especially when there’s any moisture present. Another tire worth checking out (even though this is a Michelin thread) is the new Vitoria mazza. I was skeptical at first from all the years of Sh*ttoria being heard every time the brand was mentioned but they’ve honestly blown me away. Similar grip to the assegai, reasonable sub 1000g weight in 29x2.4 and they roll just as good as a DHF.
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone...
OK, given all the praise and given I haven't ridden anything other than Maxxis since... probably 2010, I'm itching to try this Michelin thing. For someone running a 150 mm trail bike for general riding with most rides starting and ending at home with virtually no bikeparks, what to run? I'm currently running either Assegais front and back (3C in the front, dual in the rear, with a dual in the front because of the cold, where the 3C tears) or sometimes an aggressor in the back (dual compound of course) with the Assegai front. All tyres are EXOs, 2,5 WTs, mounted tubeless and there's an ARD in the rear wheel. Rims are 30 mm (either XM1501s or an EX511).
The DH22/34 is quite off putting due to the weight (the bike is very long and thus more of a freight train as is, I would prefer to make it more lively than make it even more of a steam roller).
I would go for the DH34 bike park it’s about 1180g in weight and pretty darn robust!Buti also got a chance to ride the enduro Michelin’s and they are amazing aswell (only rode one day but I was still impressed) so it’s hard to go wrong with Michelin
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and...
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and moderately wet trails with minimal roots and rocks. The assegai sticks much better to hard surfaces like rock and wood especially when there’s any moisture present. Another tire worth checking out (even though this is a Michelin thread) is the new Vitoria mazza. I was skeptical at first from all the years of Sh*ttoria being heard every time the brand was mentioned but they’ve honestly blown me away. Similar grip to the assegai, reasonable sub 1000g weight in 29x2.4 and they roll just as good as a DHF.
I tried a Vittoria a couple months ago, tore the sidewall on the 1st ride and it tore ridiculously easily. I haven't had a puncture or tear in years riding Maxxis and Michelin. It's too bad because I the tire seemed really good until it wouldn't hold air...
I have heard they are working on improving their casings, I've been told neither trail or enduro casing tires hold up well by a shop employee.
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and...
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and moderately wet trails with minimal roots and rocks. The assegai sticks much better to hard surfaces like rock and wood especially when there’s any moisture present. Another tire worth checking out (even though this is a Michelin thread) is the new Vitoria mazza. I was skeptical at first from all the years of Sh*ttoria being heard every time the brand was mentioned but they’ve honestly blown me away. Similar grip to the assegai, reasonable sub 1000g weight in 29x2.4 and they roll just as good as a DHF.
This is probably the best answer and the reason to stick to Maxxis. Might also explain why a young racer said about Michis that 'they're fine, but not Maxxis', at least maybe... We have lots of rocks and roots over here, the trails usually are not really loamy (sometimes are), they get packed down, as we have limestone rocks covered by a fairly clay like soil that's very slick when it gets wet (peanut butter type of soil). Plus the limestone rocks have very low grip once wet.
This is probably the best answer and the reason to stick to Maxxis. Might also explain why a young racer said about Michis that 'they're fine...
This is probably the best answer and the reason to stick to Maxxis. Might also explain why a young racer said about Michis that 'they're fine, but not Maxxis', at least maybe... We have lots of rocks and roots over here, the trails usually are not really loamy (sometimes are), they get packed down, as we have limestone rocks covered by a fairly clay like soil that's very slick when it gets wet (peanut butter type of soil). Plus the limestone rocks have very low grip once wet.
Eh, IDK... WE is far better vs Maxxis DC and MaxxTerra on wet rock and roots imo.
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and...
Depending on what kind of terrain you’re on the wild enduro setup could be really great or really disappointing. It works phenomenally on soft, loamy and moderately wet trails with minimal roots and rocks. The assegai sticks much better to hard surfaces like rock and wood especially when there’s any moisture present. Another tire worth checking out (even though this is a Michelin thread) is the new Vitoria mazza. I was skeptical at first from all the years of Sh*ttoria being heard every time the brand was mentioned but they’ve honestly blown me away. Similar grip to the assegai, reasonable sub 1000g weight in 29x2.4 and they roll just as good as a DHF.
I tried a Vittoria a couple months ago, tore the sidewall on the 1st ride and it tore ridiculously easily. I haven't had a puncture or...
I tried a Vittoria a couple months ago, tore the sidewall on the 1st ride and it tore ridiculously easily. I haven't had a puncture or tear in years riding Maxxis and Michelin. It's too bad because I the tire seemed really good until it wouldn't hold air...
I have heard they are working on improving their casings, I've been told neither trail or enduro casing tires hold up well by a shop employee.
I can only speak for the mazza which is their newest tire (2020) and I run the enduro casing which seems to fall somewhere between double down and DH casing from maxxis. The michi WE setup is still really awesome though and is the fastest rolling setup I’ve ridden that still gives plenty of grip. Really good setup if you’re looking for free speed and are a fairly confident corner-er
Ok, so after my last ride I realised my rear Wild Enduro is really giving the ghost. So new tyres in the next couple of weeks.
Anyone have tried the DH34 Bikepark in the front?
I know from one of the norwegian forums that some ppl have put the WE front tire on the rear, form what I understand this is real good. Something like burly MM on the rear.
I have not ridden this combo, i have just put on a WE front and rear on my bike, but no mileages.
I know from one of the norwegian forums that some ppl have put the WE front tire on the rear, form what I understand this is...
I know from one of the norwegian forums that some ppl have put the WE front tire on the rear, form what I understand this is real good. Something like burly MM on the rear.
I have not ridden this combo, i have just put on a WE front and rear on my bike, but no mileages.
I have seen a few guys on some races doing this.. the feedback was not to put the magix compound on the rear, as it's more prone to lug tear from the base.. I guess this is because on the WE there is a weird stickier outer layer and harder rubber underneath and it does not deform that good ? cheers
The Michelin DH34 race tires just works on everything! I've only ran these tires on my DH bike. But I don't think I'll go back to any other brand again. (Okay, maybe Maxxis. Can't fault them, they make great tires.) The DH34 have the best of both worlds. They grip like Continental's DH tires over rocks and roots and are super stable like Maxxis's DH casings tires at high speeds over hard, blue groove park trails. Meaning the sidewalls won't give out when hitting berms at high speeds. I do find two small faults with the Michelin DH tires though. First is that they are heavy. If you plan on running these, plan on going with a tubless set-up. Once you pick up the tire, you'll understand. It's meant for DH and its reinforced. It still grips like a soft Continental Der Kaiser Projekt, but its tougher than a Maxxis DH Casing tire. The knobby's won't rip off like Maxxis tires do. And the second thing is that there sizing it a bit smaller than a Maxxis DHR 2 or Highroller 2. The DH34 says its a 2.4. But in reality, it's more like a 2.35ish size. And the side wall isn't as tall either. I'll post a picture to try and give you an idea of it. But all in all, I love them and will continue to run Michelin's tires. I'm already looking forwards to mounting a pair of Michelin's enduro tires to my trail bike. There great! You won't be disappointed.
Wild enduros and ewilds are ok mostly because of the rjbber and they roll a bit faster. Side/edge knobs are a good suppotive size but theyre spaced too far apart. They shouldnt be spaced farther apart then a dh34 side knobs. Rockr2 wins the support war with large slightly less spaced side knobs.
They slso need atleast 3 weights of the dh 34 , 22 and rockr2. 22 and 34 with current bike park casing and dh race option are great. A 1000g option would be nice for a trail bike. The rockr2 needs to return in a 2.4 and 2.6 and add a 1000g option and a full dh casing option around 1400g ish and maybe ramp/bevel the center knobs slightly to make it roll faster.
Never seen a company with so little market self awareness. Theyre bleeding market share with their lack of options, even though they have the tread patterns, best rubber, widths and casing weights. For some reason they can't figure out that they need to offer all of that into every model. That doesnt help when youre trying to find the right tire. Confusing selection
Website does indeed suck further confusing their market.
Thry probably wont change though and will continue operating in a bubble
The DH22/34 is quite off putting due to the weight (the bike is very long and thus more of a freight train as is, I would prefer to make it more lively than make it even more of a steam roller).
Plus we have snow everywhere now, so it's XC skiing time, sadly no bike for a while (aided by the pandemic, preventing any excursions to the warm south).
I know about the price and longevity of the bikepark, but, sadly, no, no bueno with that weight
I've always run DC tyres in the rear, except for the OEM High Roller on my Reign a few years ago, but that gave up the ghost in a month or two... Or a 3C DD High Roller II that was destroyed after a week of french granite when we went to Mega in 2019. It's DC for me for general riding as I also have between 5 and 10 km of asphalt transfers on the average ~20 km ride, that's why I'm maybe a bit hesitant seeing the rear is Gum only, might seem a bit soft.
My previous rear tyre was actually a DD Aggressor. I find the WE Rear to roll just as well, much more predictable in corners, better braking and way way better climbing traction.
Meanwhile, I've decided to wait a little bit more for Michelin to release the Racing Line (heavier casing) Wild Enduros. According to their IG this should be happening at any moment
I have heard they are working on improving their casings, I've been told neither trail or enduro casing tires hold up well by a shop employee.
I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and test it out then :D
Anyone have tried the DH34 Bikepark in the front?
I have not ridden this combo, i have just put on a WE front and rear on my bike, but no mileages.
I would love to try them, but can't really wait nearly 2 months for new tyres
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