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Big Bird 5/9/2024 9:37am
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metadave wrote:
That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible  I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting...

That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible Laughing I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting caught up on everything and I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong until I got my A-line the two years later. Those 24" wheels were bomb hole magnets.

The bike is a 29/26 mullet, thus the 69er name. 

I too had a 26/24 setup on my old Super 8, but I never really felt myself hanging up on things. But the rear tire was a 3.0.

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Onawalk 5/9/2024 9:52am
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@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on...

@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on the podium without electronic lockout. And all of the racers with electronic lockout made the podium in both mens and womens elite races. 

I've heard from someone who was in Fort William, working alongside a couple Flight Attendant athletes and they're VERY stoked for the advantage that it gave them on that track, but they're not going to be publicly chalking their success up to tech, vs their riding. How much advantage it's giving the riders can be debated. I think it's VERY reasonable to suggest a savings of 1-2 seconds on that track. It's fair to say Vali doesn't win that race without it--she finished only 0.56 seconds up on Nina. 

Additionally, to the people who keep noting that all of the electronic lockout racers didn't hold all the fastest splits on the motorway: That's not the point. The point is, they maybe went a second faster than they would have without the lockout. Just because they have the lockout doesn't mean they automatically are the fastest on the motorway--it's not that much of a benefit haha. 

I'm going to guess the VAST majority of people in this forum have never raced XC at a high level and have been in a sprint and know the power loss of even un-locked 120mm of suspension. Every time we come to the final lap, we lock out the bike to save the 'half second' in the final short sprint to the line. It's noticeable. Can't imagine the savings on a 200mm bike with a coil shock. 

SteveClimber wrote:
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.  First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.  I...

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts. 

First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat. 

I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all. 

But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race. 

Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it. 

 

I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter. 

 

The important part for all of us to remeber is that its all just individual opinion, about adults playing on bikes in the woods, none of it means anything really.  We dont have all the info, we dont know exactly whats being tested and ridden, or how, why or if it even works, we are just guessing.

Its cool stuff, thats really the end of it.

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Onawalk 5/9/2024 10:42am
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SteveClimber wrote:
Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.  First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.  I...

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts. 

First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat. 

I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all. 

But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race. 

Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it. 

 

I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter. 

 

hamncheez2003 wrote:
Whats your thoughts on this: Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up...

Whats your thoughts on this:

Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up for the end of the track? Most others had to compromise between these two severely different parts of the track, slowing them down in sector 2?

If you havent already, this is a good watch.

some of the RS FA stuff looks very "quiet" in its movements, almost like it runs lotas of controlled damping both on compression and rebound.

The Spesh boys, look low, fast and smooth on the last couple jumps

 

https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/bike-magic-fort-william-world-…

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FullSend 5/9/2024 11:49am
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Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

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FullSend wrote:
Can we please move back to tech rumors? I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed...

Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

Brady stone rides for Marin and just put up a story with the bike blanked out, could be it? 

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Onawalk 5/9/2024 12:28pm
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FullSend wrote:
Can we please move back to tech rumors? I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed...

Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

I get the frustration when topics like the legitimacy of Lewis brakes start to clog up this forum, but the debate about WC DH suspension design/lockout seems to be a really good topic within this forum.  Its a forum about tech rumours and innovation, which FA in DH definitely is

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mntnmrtn 5/9/2024 12:50pm
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FullSend wrote:
Can we please move back to tech rumors? I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed...

Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

The Alpine Trail XR has been in the Marin lineaup since 2022, are you talking about a new version ?

https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/2022-alpine-trail-xr

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earleb 5/9/2024 4:02pm
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The new Foes Sam Hill DH...

My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.

I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.

I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.

 

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kperras 5/9/2024 6:03pm
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earleb wrote:
The new Foes Sam Hill DH... My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock. I have played around...

The new Foes Sam Hill DH...

My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.

I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.

I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.

 

I wonder if anyone ever accidentally tried to thread a BB in the rear triangle's hollow brace...

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noideamtber 5/9/2024 6:13pm
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FullSend wrote:
Can we please move back to tech rumors? I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed...

Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

Jrp wrote:

Brady stone rides for Marin and just put up a story with the bike blanked out, could be it? 

Correct, I've been lucky enough to have a 5minute ride on one. Marin make solid bikes.
Its good reach and cockpit feel while having a longer Wheelbase it doesnt feel like a boat like most bikes with 490+ reach and massive wheelbases do!(size large)

Already got my Pre order in for one of the models(cant disclose models)

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MJN 5/9/2024 7:15pm
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Onawalk wrote:
I get the frustration when topics like the legitimacy of Lewis brakes start to clog up this forum, but the debate about WC DH suspension design/lockout...

I get the frustration when topics like the legitimacy of Lewis brakes start to clog up this forum, but the debate about WC DH suspension design/lockout seems to be a really good topic within this forum.  Its a forum about tech rumours and innovation, which FA in DH definitely is

Its not the topic that's the issue. It is when that topic "starts to clog up this forum" using your own words. Sure a few comments on a topic is fine but when it turns into a full on discussion or someone trying to justify why their view is correct and someone else's is wrong (which always ends up happening), that's better to be made separate. 

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FullSend wrote:
Can we please move back to tech rumors? I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed...

Can we please move back to tech rumors?

I'll start: There's a new frame coming from Marin. It's called the Alpine Trail XR and features mixed wheels and 160mm of travel in the rear. Reach for a size large will be 485mm with 646mm of Stack and a 1290mm wheelbase. Headangle sits at 63° and STA at 78.5°.

I don't think the frame is related to the prototype freeride bike that we've seen ridden by a bunch of Marin-sponsored athletes like Mark Matthews in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NOadQDODw The freeride proto has more travel and a bunch of flip chips that seems to be absent fromt the new Alpine Trail XR, so it's probably an entirely different frame.

Gonna go talk to my buddy who runs a bike shop that sells Marin amongst other brands. Maybe he knows some more details.

mntnmrtn wrote:

The Alpine Trail XR has been in the Marin lineaup since 2022, are you talking about a new version ?

https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/2022-alpine-trail-xr

The 2022 had Rockshox Ultimate suspension.  The 2023 had Marzocchi.  What'll the 2024 have, Bolany?

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NicoZesty96 5/10/2024 1:57am
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IMG 6456IMG 6457 New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

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Craig_Nelson 5/10/2024 3:19am
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Anyone know when the new zeb is incoming? Badly need a new fork but would rather hang on if the new one isn’t far away.

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NicoZesty96 wrote:
New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

IMG 6456IMG 6457 New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

that‘s the production ready electronic dhx, battery is on the left side. you can see that sensor on the rear brake caliper. asa vermett used it in fort bill.

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1llumA 5/10/2024 5:49am
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And looks like a flip chip at the chainstay pivot for 29/27.5 change ?

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boozed 5/10/2024 5:54am
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threerockcomponents wrote:
New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

First the DH bike and now this, Marin's going Horst

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Glenngineer 5/10/2024 6:00am
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earleb wrote:
The new Foes Sam Hill DH... My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock. I have played around...

The new Foes Sam Hill DH...

My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.

I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.

I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.

 

kperras wrote:

I wonder if anyone ever accidentally tried to thread a BB in the rear triangle's hollow brace...

Nice have the URT option for the truly old school. 

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Primoz 5/10/2024 6:07am
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threerockcomponents wrote:
New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

boozed wrote:

First the DH bike and now this, Marin's going Horst

This, was wondering if anyone will mention this. 

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Adrnln_Jnke 5/10/2024 6:19am
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Craig_Nelson wrote:

Anyone know when the new zeb is incoming? Badly need a new fork but would rather hang on if the new one isn’t far away.

I would assume within the new couple years. They had the charger 3.1 out at the Taipei cycle show a few months ago. I'm sure its still in prototype phase. I just bought a new Zeb a few months ago and if the 3.1 is that much better, I can upgrade the damper. 

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chriskief 5/10/2024 6:25am
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Craig_Nelson wrote:

Anyone know when the new zeb is incoming? Badly need a new fork but would rather hang on if the new one isn’t far away.

June supposedly.

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NicoZesty96 wrote:
New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

IMG 6456IMG 6457 New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

Padmelon steering damper too

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Javi_NoFer11 5/10/2024 6:34am
5/10/2024 6:34am Edited Date/Time 5/10/2024 6:55am
Javi_NoFer11 wrote:

Looks like there's no new Stumpy for now... Charles Murray is racing the current Stumpy Evo in Finale Ligure. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6wif2SsGW6/?igsh=bGEwYzgyNXA4MXUw

sharpy212 wrote:

Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro?? 

More efficient, adjustable and lightweight I guess

Edit: also UDH

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