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6/7/2023 11:51am
Jakub_G wrote:

With it being designed for 20inch wheels I somewhat doubt that

jamesma wrote:

If it had 29" compatible crowns, it might be doable

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If my vest had sleeves it would be my jacket.....

If my vest had sliding bushings, a dual-positive air chamber, and a 44mm offset just to name a few, I'd be more than willing to sew some sleeves onto them.

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6/7/2023 12:20pm
Primoz wrote:
A lot of things that have little to no purpose exist. How well they sell is a question of marketing. Not saying the KIS system fits...

A lot of things that have little to no purpose exist. How well they sell is a question of marketing. Not saying the KIS system fits in here, just saying 'if it exists, it works' is far from a always true conclusion.

Anywho... FR1500 wheels. 240 hubs, J bend (32) spokes, FR541 rims? Any other options?

Patience my friend, patience Wink

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6/7/2023 12:23pm

It’s ok to think a steering thing is cool or silly without being a dick or getting philosophical about it lol.  

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if you missed it, here's pit bits video from lawlor (non live) and just got new pit bit photos in of pivot proto. i'm building the full gallery, but here they are for you hardcore nerds!

Pivot Proto!-2Pivot Proto!-3Pivot Proto!

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6/7/2023 1:00pm

Is that an RaceFace crank badged as Saint Grinning

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6/7/2023 1:05pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Well well well, the steering stabilizer thing is happening again at the CLLCTV (apparently Mark Wallace ran this last year in Fort William and nobody noticed...)...

Well well well, the steering stabilizer thing is happening again at the CLLCTV (apparently Mark Wallace ran this last year in Fort William and nobody noticed...). This is now on Troy Brosnan's bike, he says that Lenzerheide is not exactly the kind of track where it helps the most, so it'll be curious to see if he elects to run it as the week goes on (you can read our test of the commercially available, integrated version HERE).

Troy Brosnan's Canyon Sender outfitted with a KIS steering stabilizer -2Troy Brosnan's Canyon Sender outfitted with a KIS steering stabilizer -3Troy Brosnan's Canyon Sender outfitted with a KIS steering stabilizer

This is such a bad idea. The point of wheel flop is that it adds stability. Rake, offset, and HTA allow a bike to "ghost ride"...

This is such a bad idea. The point of wheel flop is that it adds stability. Rake, offset, and HTA allow a bike to "ghost ride" and this stupid system counteracts that. 

This won't stop 'ghost riding' but alter the frequency that the bike wobbles at if you were to let it ghostie along the ground, or offset the speed that it can stay upright. By using springs it will be very position sensitive as opposed to speed sensitive, and since the bars aren't usually turned very far its probably quite subtle. I'm not sure either way if its a good idea or not, but from what I've seen Canyon has been one of the more scientific teams and have some smart guys on board. They might find out its no good but you won't know unless you try!

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6/7/2023 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2023 1:11pm
TimBud wrote:
Is that an RaceFace crank badged as Saint 

Is that an RaceFace crank badged as Saint Grinning

Looks very much like it. And a wolf tooth chainring for the chain going to the rear. Probably on Sram's 3-bolt interface by the looks of things.

And wait, what, a DWLink6-esque layout without a rear axle pivot?? o.O Flex stays? That chunky?

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6/7/2023 1:22pm
sspomer wrote:
if you missed it, here's pit bits video from lawlor (non live) and just got new pit bit photos in of pivot proto. i'm building the...

if you missed it, here's pit bits video from lawlor (non live) and just got new pit bit photos in of pivot proto. i'm building the full gallery, but here they are for you hardcore nerds!

Pivot Proto!-2Pivot Proto!-3Pivot Proto!

Looks like they've made some reliability improvements on the 2025 Float X2.

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6/7/2023 1:23pm

My brain is not braining right now. Either there is a hidden link somewhere or it has indeed flexstays (the silhouette of the seatstays suggests so). The lack of a rear pivot fooled me before but it's a very interesting design I admit. 

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My brain is not braining right now. Either there is a hidden link somewhere or it has indeed flexstays (the silhouette of the seatstays suggests so)...

My brain is not braining right now. Either there is a hidden link somewhere or it has indeed flexstays (the silhouette of the seatstays suggests so). The lack of a rear pivot fooled me before but it's a very interesting design I admit. 

Since the chainstay is connected to frame through two links rather one pivot, I'm not sure if the whole design fits into flex stay because I guess that affects how the swingarm moves through the travel. 

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Take a look at the Athertons bikes that are dw link6. They have a chainstay pivot. The way this moves through the travel requires at least some flexing. Careful pivot placement can make the flex very small, but present nevertheless. 

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troy's vid about KIS stabilitizer

 

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6/7/2023 3:16pm
UfuS78 wrote:
I'm looking at this picture and I have a feeling that the new Boxxer will have a 20mm axle after all  

I'm looking at this picture and I have a feeling that the new Boxxer will have a 20mm axle after allSideways
Kade Edward%27s%2C Trek Session%2C Code brakes.jpg?VersionId=1

 

So if the lowers are compatible with the Zeb CSU we can build 20mm single crowns again! 

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6/7/2023 5:00pm
bski90 wrote:
 

p4pb24924739~2

 

They're onto a plastic shroud; I don't think we're ever getting a look at what's under it now (just like Bruni's mystery shock)

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6/7/2023 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2023 5:04pm
bski90 wrote:
 

p4pb24924739~2

 

Looking at this photo reminds me of the deviate. Forbidden built an upside down Horst for the new druid, this kind of seems like an upside down FSR with a link rotating around the BB (like the Highlander or Claymore).

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UfuS78 wrote:
I'm looking at this picture and I have a feeling that the new Boxxer will have a 20mm axle after all  

I'm looking at this picture and I have a feeling that the new Boxxer will have a 20mm axle after allSideways
Kade Edward%27s%2C Trek Session%2C Code brakes.jpg?VersionId=1

 

So if the lowers are compatible with the Zeb CSU we can build 20mm single crowns again! 

Definitely no.

they fit together but I believe the seals would crash into the crown by a substantial amount. 
 

The boxxer lower crown is much flatter and thinner than a single crown. 

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Fred_Pop
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6/7/2023 8:25pm
Curly wrote:
Orange actually going to a linkage driven single pivot?! is the world ending?!    https://www.orangebikes.com/us/bikes/switch-7-se/2023

Orange actually going to a linkage driven single pivot?! is the world ending?! image-20230606083334-1

 

https://www.orangebikes.com/us/bikes/switch-7-se/2023

They have done it in the past and came back to the original design. Let's see how long this one lasts.

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6/7/2023 8:32pm
BenediktB wrote:
EXT just dropped their new dual crown fork. Designed for E-MX bikes though.

EXT just dropped their new dual crown fork.

Designed for E-MX bikes though.

Fred_Pop wrote:

I think it'll fit a DH bike no problem.

Jakub_G wrote:

With it being designed for 20inch wheels I somewhat doubt that

It fits 19 and 21 inch wheels. Modern Mtb wheels are 23 and 24.5in. However, mtb tyres are smaller so the overall diameter of wheel plus tyre for 650b (23in rim) is around 28in which is the same a 21in MX rim with a 90/100. So I think if you run 650b front wheel it'll be fine. If you want to run bigger then you'd need a custom crown. I think most riders won't do it due to the 4.5kg weight. I looked at the spec and it's pretty much a Manitou Dorado copy and probably way more expensive.

https://www.maxxis.com/us/tire/maxxcross-desert-it/

 

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Gamux Enduro bike

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Öhlins XC stuff released

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uina wrote:
Gamux Enduro bike

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Gamux Enduro bike

That looks bad-ass (wonder about mud in the seatstays/chainstays tho...)

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6/8/2023 6:48am

another pit bits gallery in the works. some early highlights as i build it (demo and pivot close-ups)

20230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide H8A214220230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide H8A215020230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide Z4A084120230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide Z4A0854

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6/8/2023 7:10am
sspomer wrote:
another pit bits gallery in the works. some early highlights as i build it (demo and pivot close-ups)

another pit bits gallery in the works. some early highlights as i build it (demo and pivot close-ups)

20230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide H8A214220230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide H8A215020230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide Z4A084120230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide Z4A0854

enhance

Enhance

ENHANCE

 

20230607 UCI DH WorldCup Lenzerheide Z4A0854 0

 

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Primoz
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No need for a bash guard with these covers at least. 

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