Away from the tech side of things, the 38 is 100% in existence, and has to be production ready. My name is down for one at my local bike shop. They're supposed to be in mid may, a little bit after the 2021 X2 like on the Commencal posted recently. My bike shop does know about the 38, but has no idea about an updated 36. Not sure the travel numbers available to the public however for the 38.
My guess as well. 160-180mm for both 27.5 and 29 for the 38, and 140-160 for 29 and 27.5 for the 36. I’m assuming that based on how the 34 has been specced on bikes recently, that it will be transferred to 120-140 for all wheel sizes.
What happens with the Pike then? Same as 34? Though seeing the new Sid is 35 as well...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).
So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).
So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...
Yeah it would be surprising to see the introduction of a 38 single crown without them doing the same to the boxxer, although they did do that in the past with the Totem so who knows!? The Ohlins DH fork is 38 already if I'm not mistaken?
In Steve from vorsprungs latest video did anyone else see this external chamber on the air side of his fork
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In Steve from vorsprungs latest video did anyone else see this external chamber on the air side of his fork
Somebody asked him about it in the comments, and Steve said it's an "Accelerometer housing for the datalogger."
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is...
Pike since a few years (since the introduction of the new arch) is marketed as an AM fork, when the Lyrik (at 150 and 160mm) is their enduro fork, a little beefier (and with Charger damping too).
So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...
I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes the longer options, ZEB should do the same. If 36 gets limited to 150-160 mm, Lyrik should get the same treatment, if we're making parallels, therefore my question, what happens with the Pike?
You have the new SID from the bottom at 120 mm... Pike 130-140 mm then?
I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes...
I'm aware of that. But the 150ish mm range is technically covered by the Pike with the Lyrik being the longer option. If the 38 takes the longer options, ZEB should do the same. If 36 gets limited to 150-160 mm, Lyrik should get the same treatment, if we're making parallels, therefore my question, what happens with the Pike?
You have the new SID from the bottom at 120 mm... Pike 130-140 mm then?
I see the SID Ultimate to be a contender for Fox 34 SC, not overlap the Pike. And the Pike will be in the same segment as Fox 34.
So general consensus is:
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180
Seems like some significant overlap in a category where a lot of bikes sit (150-160 forks). Are we going to see some history repeat itself, where we relegate an even bigger chassis to only lower travel? It wasn't that long ago that you could get a Fox 32 with 150mm (!!!) of travel. Maybe the 32 fork finally dies (or a restricted to XC race / gravel), 34/35 stanchions end up being the 'short travel' fork (up to 150) and 36/38 forks are the 'long travel (>150mm) forks. This may not apply to dual crown forks as they have an inherent stiffness advantage (not the same kind of stiffness, but still stiffer).
For context, I remember owning a 32mm stanchion fork set at 140 and could definitely feel the flex in that even though I was not that good. I still can't shred that hard, but I ride faster than I did a decade ago and I don't have a problem with my 150mm Pike Ultimate.
So general consensus is:
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180
Seems like some significant overlap in a category...
So general consensus is:
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180
Seems like some significant overlap in a category where a lot of bikes sit (150-160 forks). Are we going to see some history repeat itself, where we relegate an even bigger chassis to only lower travel? It wasn't that long ago that you could get a Fox 32 with 150mm (!!!) of travel. Maybe the 32 fork finally dies (or a restricted to XC race / gravel), 34/35 stanchions end up being the 'short travel' fork (up to 150) and 36/38 forks are the 'long travel (>150mm) forks. This may not apply to dual crown forks as they have an inherent stiffness advantage (not the same kind of stiffness, but still stiffer).
For context, I remember owning a 32mm stanchion fork set at 140 and could definitely feel the flex in that even though I was not that good. I still can't shred that hard, but I ride faster than I did a decade ago and I don't have a problem with my 150mm Pike Ultimate.
I think you're on point for the travel ranges you've listed above. I would imagine the focus for the 38/ZEB is more focused on E-bike then longer travel enduro bikes, at least in the eyes of the manufacturers selling to bike companies.
But as mentioned before in this thread love em or hate em maybe E-bikes will benefit us. Cant complain about better equipment with more longevity right?
The Zeb is for e-bikes (longer travel categories) and those wanting to have dual crown type performance with a single crown fork. Park bikes, enduro, heavy riders, etc. Obviously from the photos it has the larger lower bearing/crown race. Will likely add a lot of stiffness from that.
Only circling back here to say Fox has a patent on the oil re-circulation you guys are describing (I found it this morning) and because MRP...
Only circling back here to say Fox has a patent on the oil re-circulation you guys are describing (I found it this morning) and because MRP basically trolled me I will be buying one of their forks.
Back to the shadowy shadows I go.
Million Dollar Idea for you... What if that extra top clamp also functioned as the handlebar? How stiff would that be! You could do clip-ons like on a street moto. Adjustable crossbar for sweep. Options. And more volume for a fourth air spring.
studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratostem-riding-in-the-stratosphere?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=suspension
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studying history is hard - the Stratoseat and Stratostem.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratostem-riding-in-the-stratosphere?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=suspension
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/04/05/9420/s1200_Screen_Shot_2020_04_05_at_6.42.35_PM.jpg[/img]
Seriously...where do people think this is a good idea again. Though when you look at the bike it is on...it makes sense.
Also, when you look at the photos of where the test took place etc.... At least I am glad to see that no one is actually willing to invest in the product.
Not sure the stem will work with the new enduro geometry though....just a hair long :D
Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm
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Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm
The lower leg bridge looks sweet! I like it better than the curved Fox RAD forks.
Damn boy she’s THICC!!
Definitely not 35mm
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Mitch Ropelato posing with something new BlackBox/RockShox. No real info out there but my gut tells me perhaps a Sea Otter release item - before you know....
So with Charger damping Rock Shox stops at 160mm (when the Motion Control ones, from Revelation to 35, are on 120 to 160mm. And the good ol' Yari from 120 to 180mm, that's a little blury there...). So comes the ZEB (love the pronuciation in french. Here a "zeub" -pronounce \zœb\- is a wee-wee), but they have excelled in standardizing their 35mm stanchions from the SID to the Boxxer, I don't see a resurgence of the Totem, with big ass stanchions, there...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Cushcore-Founder-Dan-Hallada-The-Insi…
You have the new SID from the bottom at 120 mm... Pike 130-140 mm then?
32/SID SL: strictly 100/XC Race
34 SC/SID: 100-120
34/Pike: 120-150
36/Lyrik: 150-170
38/ZEB: 160?-180
Seems like some significant overlap in a category where a lot of bikes sit (150-160 forks). Are we going to see some history repeat itself, where we relegate an even bigger chassis to only lower travel? It wasn't that long ago that you could get a Fox 32 with 150mm (!!!) of travel. Maybe the 32 fork finally dies (or a restricted to XC race / gravel), 34/35 stanchions end up being the 'short travel' fork (up to 150) and 36/38 forks are the 'long travel (>150mm) forks. This may not apply to dual crown forks as they have an inherent stiffness advantage (not the same kind of stiffness, but still stiffer).
For context, I remember owning a 32mm stanchion fork set at 140 and could definitely feel the flex in that even though I was not that good. I still can't shred that hard, but I ride faster than I did a decade ago and I don't have a problem with my 150mm Pike Ultimate.
But as mentioned before in this thread love em or hate em maybe E-bikes will benefit us. Cant complain about better equipment with more longevity right?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1146848654/stratoseat-and-stratost…
https://fotos.mtb-news.de/p/2466536
Also, when you look at the photos of where the test took place etc.... At least I am glad to see that no one is actually willing to invest in the product.
Not sure the stem will work with the new enduro geometry though....just a hair long :D
Histroy is bound to repeat itself..... (facepalm)
It's cumbersome, but the weight is moved down and this way the downtube can hug the shock closer without any S-shapes in it.
Definitely not 35mm
We Are One Composites frame mold teaser?
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