It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan...
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan of the saints - But I love the SPD standard, so I ordered a set as soon as the launched.
But I am looking for reviews or videos on them, to see how they actually perform out in the real world. About 3 feet of snow where I currently am, so not possible to ride and test them myself.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan...
Yeah I agree. I already have a set, and they are mounted to my bike. Huge fan of other OneUp stuff, and not a huge fan of the saints - But I love the SPD standard, so I ordered a set as soon as the launched.
But I am looking for reviews or videos on them, to see how they actually perform out in the real world. About 3 feet of snow where I currently am, so not possible to ride and test them myself.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding somethingYou've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
I'll just say from what i've heard from someone who got a set of the Oneups early, they don't feel like crankbrothers, still more like SPD but way more refined and feels like the best version of SPD out there. I don't really like SPD and prefer crankbrothers so I'll stick to the mallet dh
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked...
It seems strange that Oneup didn't have people reviewing prior to the release so the reviews could be dropped the same day. I have really liked the components I have bought from the company.
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship...
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding somethingYou've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
Since I dont have the chance to ride or test them myself. But bought them more on a whim, since they are from a company which products I like, using a clip standard that I like. The odds are pretty good that they are the pedals for me, hence the purchase.
I normally do a fair bit of research, and look for reviews or videos for most parts I buy, but because of the above mentioned, this time I didnt - Because there are no reviews.
So, yeah partly because I want to know more/hear other peoples thoughts about them, since I cant really ride them for another 2~ months myself, and partly to justify the purchase I guess?
I fully see the point that its winter, and they are released by a company located where its winter as well. But one would think that they would have had review samples out for a few months. But seems like that is not the case this time. Maybe pedals arent significant enough of a component to justify that kind of coverage
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now...
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now...
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews. They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a...
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
also worth noting that I think they all write their reviews in German, which is then changed for the international version. So every article is a weird blend of the original reviewer's words translated, and the personal bias and style of the translator/english writer.
They also seem to speak in abolutes and exagerations, posisbly for the same reason. Is it really unrideable with a 180mm rear rotor? And if it truly was, does a mere 10% increase by upgrading to a 200mm really transform it to the best bike in test?
That aside, I appreciate the way that in general they do adequately explain the basic type of terrain and style of riding they are trying to do, and also make suggestions ("tuning tips") on how to improve the bike. While they might be a bit ridiculous, see above, at least it stops one poor component ruining the review and I think provides the right balance on the spectrum between "objectively reviewing the frame" and "reviewing the full build bike as sent to them"
damn would have thought that it would have had headset cable routing
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!I was one click from ordering a Wild...
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
They probably only avoided it to keep the race team mechanics sanity intact... Or more logically speaking: cable clearance issues with a dual crown.
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!I was one click from ordering a Wild...
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
Buddy of mine works for an mtb brand that did headset routing and they saw a noticeable dip in sales on these models. They’ve pivoted back on a newer model. Not sure if they’ve seen better success with that model but it will be interesting to see. My wife has a repeater and the headset routing has been a nightmare.
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar and a thicker 35mm stem clamping area. Instead of a alloy sleeve it is just thicker layup. Their previous bar was 258g and this new one is 220g. Also much cheaper at 163.85 € compared to 279.95 € before
Buddy of mine works for an mtb brand that did headset routing and they saw a noticeable dip in sales on these models. They’ve pivoted back...
Buddy of mine works for an mtb brand that did headset routing and they saw a noticeable dip in sales on these models. They’ve pivoted back on a newer model. Not sure if they’ve seen better success with that model but it will be interesting to see. My wife has a repeater and the headset routing has been a nightmare.
When I was shopping for my short travel bike the headset routing on the Tempo took it right out of the running for me, shame cause that Ohlins build looks like a hell of a bike otherwise.
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise) between a Horst link and a single pivot or spilt pivot is pretty minimal. The main benefit is that you can define your anti-rise.
Back before the Horst Link patent was up, and I was considering getting a Brake Therapy adapter for my Kona, I thought of the following workaround for single pivot, faux-four-bar suspension layouts to isolate brake forces. If you need to fine-tune your anti-rise indepenent of everything else, on a per-rider, per track basis, maybe its worth revisiting since having custom mounting positions for this extra control arm is going to be a lot less complicated and lighter than whatever Neko (and Cube in seasons past) is doing to bastardize their Horst Links
There's also this in the regular bike catalog. The text which has had a filter applied, when copied, spits out this: R.DERAILL. Shimano XTR Di2 M9250-12 GS shadow+SHIFTLEV...
There's also this in the regular bike catalog.
The text which has had a filter applied, when copied, spits out this:
R.DERAILL. Shimano XTR Di2 M9250-12 GS shadow+
SHIFTLEV. Shimano XTR Di2 M9250
CRANKSET Shimano XTR M9200-12 Carbon 32T
BOTTOM BR. Shimano MT900 pressfit PA29 MTB
SPROCKET Shimano XTR M9200-12 / 9-45
CHAIN Shimano M9100-12
So that's Shimano's first(?) carbon cranks confirmed?
And the brake name is in full view, the new protos we've seen aren't saint? M9220 seems it would be the 4 piston variant.
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise)...
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise) between a Horst link and a single pivot or spilt pivot is pretty minimal. The main benefit is that you can define your anti-rise.
Back before the Horst Link patent was up, and I was considering getting a Brake Therapy adapter for my Kona, I thought of the following workaround for single pivot, faux-four-bar suspension layouts to isolate brake forces. If you need to fine-tune your anti-rise indepenent of everything else, on a per-rider, per track basis, maybe its worth revisiting since having custom mounting positions for this extra control arm is going to be a lot less complicated and lighter than whatever Neko (and Cube in seasons past) is doing to bastardize their Horst Links
Most Horst links like the Frameworks have low anti rise values, and the floating brake can help further tune it without changing a thing else about the bike. Seems pretty normal to me. Cube was testing then out too a little while ago.
I also recognize that top link but can't place it. But I've absolutely seen it before.It looks a little like a Vitus Sommet 297 link, but...
I also recognize that top link but can't place it. But I've absolutely seen it before.
It looks a little like a Vitus Sommet 297 link, but it looks a lot like an Airdrop Edit MX link:. Did I scroll through this entire list of 186 bike companies to find these two examples? Maybe. Did it feel better to scratch that itch, and help me avoid doing homework? Absolutely.
I thought of Airdrop first too, but the headtube junction and down tube just aren't the same. Unless they are going to have an update for it soon.
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise)...
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise) between a Horst link and a single pivot or spilt pivot is pretty minimal. The main benefit is that you can define your anti-rise.
Back before the Horst Link patent was up, and I was considering getting a Brake Therapy adapter for my Kona, I thought of the following workaround for single pivot, faux-four-bar suspension layouts to isolate brake forces. If you need to fine-tune your anti-rise indepenent of everything else, on a per-rider, per track basis, maybe its worth revisiting since having custom mounting positions for this extra control arm is going to be a lot less complicated and lighter than whatever Neko (and Cube in seasons past) is doing to bastardize their Horst Links
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't do much to change the anti rise. Therefore the floating brake arm solutions. And as noted, you can test and tune the effect of it with a setup that Neko has. It's probably there as a test or proof of concept, not necessarily as an improvement or a necessity.
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar...
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar and a thicker 35mm stem clamping area. Instead of a alloy sleeve it is just thicker layup. Their previous bar was 258g and this new one is 220g. Also much cheaper at 163.85 € compared to 279.95 € before
Thats the price for the handlebar only, stem not included. So it comes out close to $350 with a stem, compared to $279, where it was sold as package. Edit: sold as a package by weareone that is
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't...
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't do much to change the anti rise. Therefore the floating brake arm solutions. And as noted, you can test and tune the effect of it with a setup that Neko has. It's probably there as a test or proof of concept, not necessarily as an improvement or a necessity.
Does anyone have the anti-rise graph for the current Enduro? Its "common knowledge" that the Enduro has low anti-rise, or just high rise, or low brake jack, whatever you want to call it.
If you look at the video below, assuming the bike actually does have low antirise, very little pivot movement translates into lots of low antirise (I hate that term and all the double & triple negatives it creates)
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar...
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar and a thicker 35mm stem clamping area. Instead of a alloy sleeve it is just thicker layup. Their previous bar was 258g and this new one is 220g. Also much cheaper at 163.85 € compared to 279.95 € before
Thats the price for the handlebar only, stem not included. So it comes out close to $350 with a stem, compared to $279, where it was...
Thats the price for the handlebar only, stem not included. So it comes out close to $350 with a stem, compared to $279, where it was sold as package. Edit: sold as a package by weareone that is
77designz used to sell a la carte bar and stem no combos. The WeAreOne branded "Da Package" combo was cheaper especially during their black Friday sale last year for which I paid $228 CAD.
Here is the handlebar only price from their old store cached copy
77designz used to sell a la carte bar and stem no combos. The WeAreOne branded "Da Package" combo was cheaper especially during their black Friday sale...
77designz used to sell a la carte bar and stem no combos. The WeAreOne branded "Da Package" combo was cheaper especially during their black Friday sale last year for which I paid $228 CAD.
Here is the handlebar only price from their old store cached copy
Ah I see - Interesting that the price of their handlebar was the same as weareone charged for both stem/handlebar.
Definitely a decent price decrease from 77's side, but still quite the pricy combo. Im sure it is a very nice piece though
(And yes, the price I referred to was what I could see weareone charged in the past)
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't...
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't do much to change the anti rise. Therefore the floating brake arm solutions. And as noted, you can test and tune the effect of it with a setup that Neko has. It's probably there as a test or proof of concept, not necessarily as an improvement or a necessity.
Tangentially related, but it annoys me that most 4-bar designs run bearings in that rear pivot instead of bushings. That location gets showered with water and grime, and they have always been in a disgusting state whenever I've serviced the bearings on the 3 4-bar bikes I've owned. I recall reading somewhere that bushings are ideal for locations that consistently see small angle rotations, where bearings are better for larger angles (so that the bearings actually move further in the race). Main pivot and rocker/upper link - absolutely bearings. Rear pivot - bushings. I mean, a lot of brands are going with flex stays back there, so clearly a bearing isn't really necessary.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something
You've bought, and own pedals, that just came out, and are a brand new, first year product from a manufacturer that does not make clipless pedals
and youre looking for/confused by lack of reviews online....in winter, for a product released essentially in winter
if you wanted to read reviews to help determine if it was the right product for you, would waiting to purchase them have been a better idea? Or is the desire to read reviews to help justify the purchase of these specific pedals.
As I read my comment it sounds Twuntyier than I actually mean, generally curious
So a "buddy" of mine used to write reviews for MTB brands/apparel/components. He/they would not/hesitate/re-write negative reviews of things so as to help maintain the relationship they had with the companies they were dealing with. Sometimes, they just simply wouldnt publish a review for the product they were sent.
Think back to the last time you read a overly negative review of a product. Now I get that most products are really good nowadays, and most reviews are written in a way to highlight the favourable aspects of a product, or to highlight that a certain product might not be for everyone, but its great for this specific person, on this specific trail, at this specific hour of the day......etc.
The V1 OneUp dropper is a great example. Its a mediocre dropper at best, it requires a tonne of regular maintenance, and the original bushings would get chewed up by the brass keyways. All you could find was ring kissing, glowing reviews of that dropper, and those issues were noticeable after a couple months of use. There were far better droppers, for less money, but didnt have the same "cache" as OneUp did.
The V2 was better, and the V3 better still, but its longevity still remains to be seen.
My V2 Dreadnaught is prolly similar, its an incredible bike, I'm stoked to have it, but its "window" of optimal operating situations is narrower than I would have expected. When I bought the bike, there were very few reviews of it, and it had been "out" for months at that point.
Back to rumours,
Norco "Shore" series Sight and Optic come specd' with the new SRAM 1000 series gear......
I'll just say from what i've heard from someone who got a set of the Oneups early, they don't feel like crankbrothers, still more like SPD but way more refined and feels like the best version of SPD out there. I don't really like SPD and prefer crankbrothers so I'll stick to the mallet dh
100% - Id like to believe Enduro-MTB was on the receiving end of some brand hate after they were very honest with several Bikes - now their opinion is crap because its influenced. - This kinda stuff has quite an effect on site sponsors/advertisers aswell
I remember being on a german forum When they published the pre 24 Sentinel Review(pub 2nd jan 21 but its been edited a bit since first published) and Several Enduro-mtb guys were saying the bike was crap. - From my own experience it wasnt a great bike. terribly balanced and shoddy quality - atleast they(TR) listened to customers and fixed it in the next model.
Since I dont have the chance to ride or test them myself. But bought them more on a whim, since they are from a company which products I like, using a clip standard that I like. The odds are pretty good that they are the pedals for me, hence the purchase.
I normally do a fair bit of research, and look for reviews or videos for most parts I buy, but because of the above mentioned, this time I didnt - Because there are no reviews.
So, yeah partly because I want to know more/hear other peoples thoughts about them, since I cant really ride them for another 2~ months myself, and partly to justify the purchase I guess?
I fully see the point that its winter, and they are released by a company located where its winter as well. But one would think that they would have had review samples out for a few months. But seems like that is not the case this time. Maybe pedals arent significant enough of a component to justify that kind of coverage
Some very "Rotor" looking new cranks for road, gravel, mtb, from the founders of Rotor....
https://bikerumor.com/qo-carbon-cranks-launch-new-road-gravel-mtb-components-from-founders-of-rotor/
Favorite line from the press release/interview.
the arms feature ‘MaxStrength Slots’, essentially external ribs mid-way through the crankarms to increase stiffness.
Looks like a Haro to me
Enduro-MTB mag is in such a weird spot, and I don’t really trust their reviews.
They used to like very conservative geometry for a while, then a year or two years later when reviewing the same bike that they complained about being too long or too slack against a field of new competitors it was now fine.
They also used to complain about bikes being too heavy, then two sentences later the lighter tires are way too prone to puncture and every bike should come with DH casings.
Their test riders are good from what I’ve seen, but their reviews often differ from the consensus that other review sites have that I sometimes think there must be setup mistakes with the bikes or suspension somewhere.
Their reviews also have this weird hype-writing where they say sick! a lot, and anytime someone says that in relation to headset cable routing it takes away any credibility. There’s also the weird peddling of lifestyle items that I can’t imagine being anything else but undeclared product placements and other stuff like that completely out of place review of an e-motorbike on a bicycle/e-bike review site.
With pb/vital/nsmb you know you get mostly neutral reviews, and after a while you know the personal preferences and biases the reviewers might have so you can adjust for that. With the group-written ones on Enduro there’s no way to do so.
Might have gone on a bit of a tangent here, feel free to move it to a „mtb review site discussion forum“, but I think it’s important to talk about how brands influence some of the known mtb websites.
Whats old is new again
also worth noting that I think they all write their reviews in German, which is then changed for the international version. So every article is a weird blend of the original reviewer's words translated, and the personal bias and style of the translator/english writer.
They also seem to speak in abolutes and exagerations, posisbly for the same reason. Is it really unrideable with a 180mm rear rotor? And if it truly was, does a mere 10% increase by upgrading to a 200mm really transform it to the best bike in test?
That aside, I appreciate the way that in general they do adequately explain the basic type of terrain and style of riding they are trying to do, and also make suggestions ("tuning tips") on how to improve the bike. While they might be a bit ridiculous, see above, at least it stops one poor component ruining the review and I think provides the right balance on the spectrum between "objectively reviewing the frame" and "reviewing the full build bike as sent to them"
FMD/Orbea DH team with a new bike tease:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFUwj0HtRVU/
damn would have thought that it would have had headset cable routing
Orbea taking a step back from headset cable routing is a bigger deal to me than their DH bike!
I was one click from ordering a Wild, but after seeing the heaset in the flesh and reading the horrendous reports on forums I just couldn't do it. They quite litterally have the worst headset routing implementation (knockblock that breaks and knocks your spacers out, dedicated spacers + dedicated stem, need to disconnect your brake hose to get rid of all that stuff and mount an adaptor for a regular stem, horrendous looking cable angles to get into the headset no matter what you do).
They probably only avoided it to keep the race team mechanics sanity intact... Or more logically speaking: cable clearance issues with a dual crown.
Buddy of mine works for an mtb brand that did headset routing and they saw a noticeable dip in sales on these models. They’ve pivoted back on a newer model. Not sure if they’ve seen better success with that model but it will be interesting to see. My wife has a repeater and the headset routing has been a nightmare.
77designz just released their new bar after parting ways with WeAreOne. Looks like they are using the same principle as before with a thinner 33mm bar and a thicker 35mm stem clamping area. Instead of a alloy sleeve it is just thicker layup. Their previous bar was 258g and this new one is 220g. Also much cheaper at 163.85 € compared to 279.95 € before
https://www.77designz.com/barlerina
When I was shopping for my short travel bike the headset routing on the Tempo took it right out of the running for me, shame cause that Ohlins build looks like a hell of a bike otherwise.
Unno DJI Avinox:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFTMIp8uDE8/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==
To me this seems silly, defeating the whole point of a Horst Link. The impact on the virtual axle path (and therefore most things besides anti-rise) between a Horst link and a single pivot or spilt pivot is pretty minimal. The main benefit is that you can define your anti-rise.
Back before the Horst Link patent was up, and I was considering getting a Brake Therapy adapter for my Kona, I thought of the following workaround for single pivot, faux-four-bar suspension layouts to isolate brake forces. If you need to fine-tune your anti-rise indepenent of everything else, on a per-rider, per track basis, maybe its worth revisiting since having custom mounting positions for this extra control arm is going to be a lot less complicated and lighter than whatever Neko (and Cube in seasons past) is doing to bastardize their Horst Links
You just made that up, right?
Most Horst links like the Frameworks have low anti rise values, and the floating brake can help further tune it without changing a thing else about the bike. Seems pretty normal to me. Cube was testing then out too a little while ago.
Bumping this spicy rumor. Hoping more gossip to be teased about it.
I thought of Airdrop first too, but the headtube junction and down tube just aren't the same. Unless they are going to have an update for it soon.
Rear axle pivots, either faux bar or Horst link, are notorious for barely rotating at all going through the travel. It's quite possible your solution wouldn't do much to change the anti rise. Therefore the floating brake arm solutions. And as noted, you can test and tune the effect of it with a setup that Neko has. It's probably there as a test or proof of concept, not necessarily as an improvement or a necessity.
Thats the price for the handlebar only, stem not included. So it comes out close to $350 with a stem, compared to $279, where it was sold as package. Edit: sold as a package by weareone that is
Does anyone have the anti-rise graph for the current Enduro? Its "common knowledge" that the Enduro has low anti-rise, or just high rise, or low brake jack, whatever you want to call it.
If you look at the video below, assuming the bike actually does have low antirise, very little pivot movement translates into lots of low antirise (I hate that term and all the double & triple negatives it creates)
https://youtu.be/V1XYCVJt3VE?si=z2nPmoQqQ9iHLSxK&t=90
77designz used to sell a la carte bar and stem no combos. The WeAreOne branded "Da Package" combo was cheaper especially during their black Friday sale last year for which I paid $228 CAD.
Here is the handlebar only price from their old store cached copy
Ah I see - Interesting that the price of their handlebar was the same as weareone charged for both stem/handlebar.
Definitely a decent price decrease from 77's side, but still quite the pricy combo. Im sure it is a very nice piece though
(And yes, the price I referred to was what I could see weareone charged in the past)
Tangentially related, but it annoys me that most 4-bar designs run bearings in that rear pivot instead of bushings. That location gets showered with water and grime, and they have always been in a disgusting state whenever I've serviced the bearings on the 3 4-bar bikes I've owned. I recall reading somewhere that bushings are ideal for locations that consistently see small angle rotations, where bearings are better for larger angles (so that the bearings actually move further in the race). Main pivot and rocker/upper link - absolutely bearings. Rear pivot - bushings. I mean, a lot of brands are going with flex stays back there, so clearly a bearing isn't really necessary.
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