Anybody rode supertrail vs radial in the back back2back? Idk if I should switch to radial in the back too but I worry that the grip...
Anybody rode supertrail vs radial in the back back2back? Idk if I should switch to radial in the back too but I worry that the grip might be too much and rolling resistance too high on asphalt.
I haven't with the same tread pattern as a control (currently you can only do this with the Mary since the Albert and Shredda's are new...
I haven't with the same tread pattern as a control (currently you can only do this with the Mary since the Albert and Shredda's are new tread patterns). Wouldn't be surprised if a site conducts this test soon.
But going from a Tacky Chan Super Trail UltraSoft -> Albert Trail Pro Radial UltraSoft, i didn't notice a massive difference in rolling performance. The grip on the other hand, very noticeable improvement. Though this is a apple to oranges comparison in many ways, the Alberta and Tacky Chan have different intentions.
Something you should consider, which is a big 'pro' that isn't discussed enough imo, is the ability to run a more durable and faster rolling rubber compound, while still maintaining necessary grip. Not to hijack your comment, but I'd be very intrested in the back to back testing of a 27.5 Mary GRAVITY PRO Radial Soft compared to a 27.5 Mary Super Gravity UltraSoft.
I can't measure anything and I ran the radials on an ebike only so far. So hard to gage rolling restitance but the radial tire is way louder on asphalt. But hard to say if this is an indication that its rolling slower. But it kinda sounds like it would if you would run a supertrail tire with not enough air and this could be an indication that they roll slower on asphalt. I also sometimes find the grip of the supertrail super soft mary too much in the back as it locks up when I want to actually flick the wheel around. Like in some situations it was more fun with a less grippier rear tire...
Regarding the Continental DH tires (and probably Enduro casing tires as well). Angel Suarez's mechanic was on video at a World Cup saying that Angel will ride on a set of Conti tires no more than 5 (something very low like that) runs before they have to be replaced. He said they weren't replacing them because of the rubber wear but because of the 'casing break down'.
Interesting because I was in the garage and felt the a brand new Arotal (DH casing) and a well used Kryptotal (DH casing) and the difference was quite noticeable. The used tire feels a good bit softer/more pliable than the fresh tire. I've never noticed tires from other brands showing this much casing feel difference between fresh and used. It might be there, but I've never noticed it like I did on these Conti DH tires.
Regarding the Continental DH tires (and probably Enduro casing tires as well). Angel Suarez's mechanic was on video at a World Cup saying that Angel will...
Regarding the Continental DH tires (and probably Enduro casing tires as well). Angel Suarez's mechanic was on video at a World Cup saying that Angel will ride on a set of Conti tires no more than 5 (something very low like that) runs before they have to be replaced. He said they weren't replacing them because of the rubber wear but because of the 'casing break down'.
Interesting because I was in the garage and felt the a brand new Arotal (DH casing) and a well used Kryptotal (DH casing) and the difference was quite noticeable. The used tire feels a good bit softer/more pliable than the fresh tire. I've never noticed tires from other brands showing this much casing feel difference between fresh and used. It might be there, but I've never noticed it like I did on these Conti DH tires.
It is there, when I saw that video too I started to keep an eye for it too last summer. Happens on Specs gravity casing too and even more so with Michelins 2024 enduro lineup. Its actually quite noticeable if you change tires often, like I had to do while testing.
Coming from the classic Assegai/DHR II for SoCal riding on an emtb I saw radial tires were on so many " 2024 Best Of" listings I had to try them.
My research, direct from Schwable and what I read out there didn't make the choices easy since there's some conflicting information and not a lot of exisitng tread paterns available in radial. I ended up with a MM up front and Shredda rear in the back, both 2.5, super soft and gravity pro.
Once in hand it was clear the tread pattern was not the right choice for SoCal riding. Particularly the Shredda with super long and flexible knobs but also the MM, which from every account read like a do it all for all conditions choice. From what I've gathered since the Gravity pro casing might help the soft treads hold up in cornering/braking but I just can't see that being the case with these in my conditions. Also the MM measured almost 2.3 on a 30mm rim, which is not confidence inspiring out front.
I went back to the drawing board and purchased Alberts, a 2.6 Gravity Super Soft for the front and a 2.5 Gravity Soft for the rear. In dimensions and tread that seems close to what I was used to and will perform best in my conditions. Time will tell this weekend when they get dirty for the first time.
Schwalbe's approach does seem contrarian in that you need higher PSI to make up for side wall support/rim protection which also leads to a muted, more "reboundy" trail feel but the softer tread and bigger contact patch make up for that. I can see that not being for everyone, it'll be interesting to try myself.
Sure will, I'm curious too. Probably get em mounted up this weekend. For the record, the Shredda did measure accurately. Someone on mtbr said thier 2.5 Albert...
Sure will, I'm curious too. Probably get em mounted up this weekend. For the record, the Shredda did measure accurately.
Someone on mtbr said thier 2.5 Albert measured 2.37 on a 30mm rim. So I'm thinking all are about .1 narrow.
If the contact patch is bigger (wider) does it matter what it meaures??????
Contact patch gets longer as the tire compresses onto the ground but stays the same width, excluding a little bit of casing stretch.
I liked the mechanical grip from the Argotal & Kryptotal. Found them to be quite a harsh feeling compared to maxxis.
Enduro casing should be good for a bit more compliance.
He sent it back to bike-discount.de who refunded him. No info if they will send it to Schwalbe though
Yes, there's nothing on the trail or crash that caused it. Lightly used in local trails.
He sent it back to bike-discount.de who refunded him.
I can't measure anything and I ran the radials on an ebike only so far. So hard to gage rolling restitance but the radial tire is way louder on asphalt. But hard to say if this is an indication that its rolling slower. But it kinda sounds like it would if you would run a supertrail tire with not enough air and this could be an indication that they roll slower on asphalt. I also sometimes find the grip of the supertrail super soft mary too much in the back as it locks up when I want to actually flick the wheel around. Like in some situations it was more fun with a less grippier rear tire...
Regarding the Continental DH tires (and probably Enduro casing tires as well). Angel Suarez's mechanic was on video at a World Cup saying that Angel will ride on a set of Conti tires no more than 5 (something very low like that) runs before they have to be replaced. He said they weren't replacing them because of the rubber wear but because of the 'casing break down'.
Interesting because I was in the garage and felt the a brand new Arotal (DH casing) and a well used Kryptotal (DH casing) and the difference was quite noticeable. The used tire feels a good bit softer/more pliable than the fresh tire. I've never noticed tires from other brands showing this much casing feel difference between fresh and used. It might be there, but I've never noticed it like I did on these Conti DH tires.
It is there, when I saw that video too I started to keep an eye for it too last summer. Happens on Specs gravity casing too and even more so with Michelins 2024 enduro lineup. Its actually quite noticeable if you change tires often, like I had to do while testing.
Could you measure the width between those two alberts? From what I’ve read on mtbr forums, all radials are undersized.
Sure will, I'm curious too. Probably get em mounted up this weekend. For the record, the Shredda did measure accurately.
Someone on mtbr said thier 2.5 Albert measured 2.37 on a 30mm rim. So I'm thinking all are about .1 narrow.
If the contact patch is bigger (wider) does it matter what it meaures??????
Contact patch gets longer as the tire compresses onto the ground but stays the same width, excluding a little bit of casing stretch.
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