That sounds weird because grid trail and exo+ are lighter and thinner than supertrail, radial trail or supergravity. I rode grid trail and supertrail back to back with similar pressures and the rim impacts with grid trail compared to supertrail sounded and felt way worse.
Compared to the gravity radial casing, I'd say most mid-weight (ex. Specialized GridTrail, Maxxis EXO+) or gravity casings offer more support. As for damping, I've been...
Compared to the gravity radial casing, I'd say most mid-weight (ex. Specialized GridTrail, Maxxis EXO+) or gravity casings offer more support. As for damping, I've been impressed by Maxxis latest EXO+, e*thirteen's enduro and gravity casing, and Vee's DH Core casing. I liked Schwalbe's Super Gravity, but it was still a bit more malleable than other enduro/gravity tires, which didn't equate to more damping or calmness, but rather tire roll and rim impacts.
really? i always felt that the latest super gravity is very stiff and has a damp feeling compared to double down, Michelin enduro chasing, Conti enduro which are more soft and supple both by touch and on the trail i could always run 2psi less in the back compared to all the other chasing mentioned, always as a rear. tried all pressures on all these but settled on 24psi with the super gravity ( both Hans and Mary ) and 26 on all others as anything below that i was hitting the rim on rocks.
That sounds weird because grid trail and exo+ are lighter and thinner than supertrail, radial trail or supergravity. I rode grid trail and supertrail back to...
That sounds weird because grid trail and exo+ are lighter and thinner than supertrail, radial trail or supergravity. I rode grid trail and supertrail back to back with similar pressures and the rim impacts with grid trail compared to supertrail sounded and felt way worse.
honestly i believe that the Super Trail is something in between Exo+ and DD to name a famous chasing, i can run mine up front at 18psi everywhere, even in super rocky and dry Italian dolomites or West Slovenia were there's plenty of super sharp pointy rocks with no issues at 82kg, not the fastest or hardest rider but i have a preference for nasty lines
Yeah, reading the tire shootout test I get the impression since they didn't know about the radial stuff they ran the pressures too low ans yeah then the casing will feel too unsupportive. You can and should run more pressure with them for similar if not better grip and damping. Comparing them with other tires running the same pressures will not work.
Yeah, reading the tire shootout test I get the impression since they didn't know about the radial stuff they ran the pressures too low ans yeah...
Yeah, reading the tire shootout test I get the impression since they didn't know about the radial stuff they ran the pressures too low ans yeah then the casing will feel too unsupportive. You can and should run more pressure with them for similar if not better grip and damping. Comparing them with other tires running the same pressures will not work.
We did run pressures too low and thus didn't get great sidewall support. However, the last thing I was going to do was add more pressure when the Albert was sliding all over the place in our dry conditions. As I mentioned above, when I tested more back home with higher pressures, lateral support improved, but so did tire rebound, reducing tire damping.
More pressure solved one issue and introduced another with the Albert Gravity. There are many other tires I can run at my usual pressure range and achieve support, rim protection, and good ground feel (damping).
Compared to the gravity radial casing, I'd say most mid-weight (ex. Specialized GridTrail, Maxxis EXO+) or gravity casings offer more support. As for damping, I've been...
Compared to the gravity radial casing, I'd say most mid-weight (ex. Specialized GridTrail, Maxxis EXO+) or gravity casings offer more support. As for damping, I've been impressed by Maxxis latest EXO+, e*thirteen's enduro and gravity casing, and Vee's DH Core casing. I liked Schwalbe's Super Gravity, but it was still a bit more malleable than other enduro/gravity tires, which didn't equate to more damping or calmness, but rather tire roll and rim impacts.
really? i always felt that the latest super gravity is very stiff and has a damp feeling compared to double down, Michelin enduro chasing, Conti enduro...
really? i always felt that the latest super gravity is very stiff and has a damp feeling compared to double down, Michelin enduro chasing, Conti enduro which are more soft and supple both by touch and on the trail i could always run 2psi less in the back compared to all the other chasing mentioned, always as a rear. tried all pressures on all these but settled on 24psi with the super gravity ( both Hans and Mary ) and 26 on all others as anything below that i was hitting the rim on rocks.
I agree with your comparison of Super Gravity to DoubleDown. I think DoubleDown feels a bit dead/soft for an enduro casing, and I enjoyed Super Gravity more. Between SuperGravity, Michelin enduro, and Conti enduro, all were solid to me and I'd have a hard time saying one was better from a damping/rim protection perspective. I'd pick one based on tread pattern and price.
I agree with your comparison of Super Gravity to DoubleDown. I think DoubleDown feels a bit dead/soft for an enduro casing, and I enjoyed Super Gravity...
I agree with your comparison of Super Gravity to DoubleDown. I think DoubleDown feels a bit dead/soft for an enduro casing, and I enjoyed Super Gravity more. Between SuperGravity, Michelin enduro, and Conti enduro, all were solid to me and I'd have a hard time saying one was better from a damping/rim protection perspective. I'd pick one based on tread pattern and price.
Same, i must admit that my favourite in rocky loose condition was the conti when paired with cush core xc, it felt the best also on roots, perhaps it deforms a bit more and that's why i liked it more but all are really good for sure
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some conditions, but I don't know those guys to ask.
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some...
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some conditions, but I don't know those guys to ask.
My favorite conti setup has been DH SS Argotal in the front and the KRF DH SS in the rear. Rolls better, than the KRR and has really good braking grip in the soft loamy/dusty/loose conditions. The Argo in the rear works well but doesn't brake as well and rolls noticeably worse. Not the best setup for loose over hard, but its not bad. I liked the KRF in the front but didnt love it, the transition from center to edge never felt definitive, somewhat vague is the best way I could describe it.
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some...
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some conditions, but I don't know those guys to ask.
I have one on the rear of the dh bike. Got it on sale. I have no issues with it stopping and all that.
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some...
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some conditions, but I don't know those guys to ask.
Been running enduro/soft 2.4"s on my trail bike for well over a year, no real complaints other then waiting for Conti to get off their ass and release the enduro/super soft iteration.
That sounds weird because grid trail and exo+ are lighter and thinner than supertrail, radial trail or supergravity. I rode grid trail and supertrail back to back with similar pressures and the rim impacts with grid trail compared to supertrail sounded and felt way worse.
really? i always felt that the latest super gravity is very stiff and has a damp feeling compared to double down, Michelin enduro chasing, Conti enduro which are more soft and supple both by touch and on the trail i could always run 2psi less in the back compared to all the other chasing mentioned, always as a rear. tried all pressures on all these but settled on 24psi with the super gravity ( both Hans and Mary ) and 26 on all others as anything below that i was hitting the rim on rocks.
honestly i believe that the Super Trail is something in between Exo+ and DD to name a famous chasing, i can run mine up front at 18psi everywhere, even in super rocky and dry Italian dolomites or West Slovenia were there's plenty of super sharp pointy rocks with no issues at 82kg, not the fastest or hardest rider but i have a preference for nasty lines
Yeah, reading the tire shootout test I get the impression since they didn't know about the radial stuff they ran the pressures too low ans yeah then the casing will feel too unsupportive. You can and should run more pressure with them for similar if not better grip and damping. Comparing them with other tires running the same pressures will not work.
We did run pressures too low and thus didn't get great sidewall support. However, the last thing I was going to do was add more pressure when the Albert was sliding all over the place in our dry conditions. As I mentioned above, when I tested more back home with higher pressures, lateral support improved, but so did tire rebound, reducing tire damping.
More pressure solved one issue and introduced another with the Albert Gravity. There are many other tires I can run at my usual pressure range and achieve support, rim protection, and good ground feel (damping).
I agree with your comparison of Super Gravity to DoubleDown. I think DoubleDown feels a bit dead/soft for an enduro casing, and I enjoyed Super Gravity more. Between SuperGravity, Michelin enduro, and Conti enduro, all were solid to me and I'd have a hard time saying one was better from a damping/rim protection perspective. I'd pick one based on tread pattern and price.
Same, i must admit that my favourite in rocky loose condition was the conti when paired with cush core xc, it felt the best also on roots, perhaps it deforms a bit more and that's why i liked it more but all are really good for sure
Anyone ride the Kryptotal-FR as a rear? Have any comparisons or recommendations for us? I am aware some racers use it as a rear in some conditions, but I don't know those guys to ask.
My favorite conti setup has been DH SS Argotal in the front and the KRF DH SS in the rear. Rolls better, than the KRR and has really good braking grip in the soft loamy/dusty/loose conditions. The Argo in the rear works well but doesn't brake as well and rolls noticeably worse. Not the best setup for loose over hard, but its not bad. I liked the KRF in the front but didnt love it, the transition from center to edge never felt definitive, somewhat vague is the best way I could describe it.
I have one on the rear of the dh bike. Got it on sale. I have no issues with it stopping and all that.
Been running enduro/soft 2.4"s on my trail bike for well over a year, no real complaints other then waiting for Conti to get off their ass and release the enduro/super soft iteration.
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