I did the thing where I sheared some cornering knobs on a butcher t7, 250lbs combined bike and rider weight on rough granite. Xynotal trail and...
I did the thing where I sheared some cornering knobs on a butcher t7, 250lbs combined bike and rider weight on rough granite. Xynotal trail and kryptotal-f enduro are on the way.
That's a known issue and Specialized actually honors their warranty for them. Check with your shop and it should be a simple process. Regardless, they are subpar if you push them hard. I tried their whole trail range (Cannibal, Butcher, Eliminator and Ground Control) and they left a lot to be desired. Good call on the Contis.
Now that the new high roller is out (and hopefully people have gotten some experience on it) I'm curious as to how the shorty fits into the lineup since it seems like there's some overlap where people would previously run shorties that is covered by the HR3.
With winter rapidly approaching, I'm wondering, what DH tires should I be looking at for cold weather performance? I'm currently running DH MaxxGrip Assguy/DHRII on my Orbea Wild emtb, which are great, but I feel like below a certain temperature, they really harden up and lose a lot of their magic grippy powers.
My home terrain is NE Oregon, semi-loamy with a medium amount of roots and rocks thrown in, standard inland northwest mountain riding, and looking to optimize for dirt ranging from hero to freeze/rethaw, and even packed shallow snow.
With winter rapidly approaching, I'm wondering, what DH tires should I be looking at for cold weather performance? I'm currently running DH MaxxGrip Assguy/DHRII on my...
With winter rapidly approaching, I'm wondering, what DH tires should I be looking at for cold weather performance? I'm currently running DH MaxxGrip Assguy/DHRII on my Orbea Wild emtb, which are great, but I feel like below a certain temperature, they really harden up and lose a lot of their magic grippy powers.
My home terrain is NE Oregon, semi-loamy with a medium amount of roots and rocks thrown in, standard inland northwest mountain riding, and looking to optimize for dirt ranging from hero to freeze/rethaw, and even packed shallow snow.
Continental Argotal as a front tire, maybe a Kryptotal R in the rear? The latter also allows you to choose a super soft or soft compound in the dh casing if you care about wear/rolling resistance
I would say my last gen Wild Enduro's a are on par with the sidewalls on my current gen Continental DH Xynotal tires. So for a lighter rider it's not likely an issue.
I’d say so yeah, those new ones feels almost the same as specialized gravity, little more subtle and lighter.
I just installed a wild enduro MH on my enduro bike.. it's closer closer to their DH weight.. similar to conti DH.. not light by any means.. litle bit more compliant than previous versions.. fwiw
I just installed a wild enduro MH on my enduro bike.. it's closer closer to their DH weight.. similar to conti DH.. not light by any...
I just installed a wild enduro MH on my enduro bike.. it's closer closer to their DH weight.. similar to conti DH.. not light by any means.. litle bit more compliant than previous versions.. fwiw
If I remember correctly my wild enduro ms weighed 1248g and specialized cannibal gravity was around 1400-1450g
Now that the new high roller is out (and hopefully people have gotten some experience on it) I'm curious as to how the shorty fits into...
Now that the new high roller is out (and hopefully people have gotten some experience on it) I'm curious as to how the shorty fits into the lineup since it seems like there's some overlap where people would previously run shorties that is covered by the HR3.
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in loose while not being squirmy in hardpack. A subtle difference for sure, but that's it.
If you like the rolling speed of Aggressor then the Continental Xynotol could be a good alternative. I have the Aggressor DD 2.5WT and Xynotol in...
If you like the rolling speed of Aggressor then the Continental Xynotol could be a good alternative. I have the Aggressor DD 2.5WT and Xynotol in Enduro Soft. Both roll similarly fast. The straight line braking between both tires on loose dirt is similar with predictable drifting. The side knobs on Xyno hook up better overall from my back to back testing. It is offered in DH casing and super soft compound which might help you guys avoid these flats.
Happy to find this thread because I do nerd out a lot when it comes to tires and might have a slight hoarding problem. Here are some combos I run these days and some notable favorites highlighted (Front/Rear) AMA
Maxxis:
Ikon, Aspen <-Fav XC race combo
Ikon, Rekon Race
Ikon, Ikon
Rekon, Ikon
Rekon, Aspen
Forekaster, Aspen
Forekaster, Ikon Forekaster (DC,3C,2,4/2.6), Rekon <-Running right now for non-competitive XC DHF DC, Rekon DC <- One of my all time favs on short travel 140mm trail bike DHF DC, DHR2 DC
Assegai, Aggressor <-Great for Sedona/Moab
Assegai, DHR2 <-Good for AB/BC DH riding but doesn't over a week
Continental:
Argotal DH SS, Kryptotal-R, Enduro S <- My current fav on 170mm Enduro rig
Kryptotal-F DH SS, Xynotol Enduro S <- 2nd fav on spare wheelset. Speedy combo for long pedaly enduro days
Kryptotal-F Enduro S, Xynotol Enduro S <- Fun on both trail and enduro bike
Would be curious to hear some thoughts on on the Xynotal vs Kryptotal Rear. It’s fairly dry, rocky and dusty on most of what I’m riding...
Would be curious to hear some thoughts on on the Xynotal vs Kryptotal Rear. It’s fairly dry, rocky and dusty on most of what I’m riding and it seems like the Xynotal might be sweet as long as the dust isn’t deep.
I just swapped from a DHR 2 maxx grip dh to a the Kryptotal in DH Soft rear and really like it so far. Will probably try an enduro casing Kryptotal FR up front when my Assegai’s all wear out. The exo+ casing and maxx grip combo in the Assegai seems to be what conti is missing for a front tire. Would buy a super soft enduro casing kryptotal instantly.
For a decent bit, I've run dhr ii maxxgrip front and dhr ii maxxterra rear on a couple of different bikes. Got conti curious. FWIW, here...
For a decent bit, I've run dhr ii maxxgrip front and dhr ii maxxterra rear on a couple of different bikes. Got conti curious. FWIW, here are my thoughts.
Enduro Xynotal soft is my new trail-bike, local-trails tire of choice unless it's dry and loose. I was on a NC trip a while back and had an Madonna and EXe with me. Was mainly riding the RAAW, so I left the Xynotal on the back of the EXe to see how it would do. Plan was to just use the RAAW rear wheel if I didn't get on with it up there.
I did a day at Kanuga in damp conditions and was really impressed with how well it did. Few weeks later I was at home on tamer trails, but it was really, really dry and loose. Thought I was going to die. Felt like the lack of a channel between center and edge knobs meant it couldn't dig in, especially on off camber stuff and flat corners. DHR went right back on.
My current thinking is that Xynotals are the default rear tire for my EXe and 5010 from when the leaves get chewed up and until about this time of year when it gets really dry and loose at local trails.
On that same trip, I ran DH Kryptotals on the RAAW. Super soft front. They were good, but I struggled a bit to totally hit if off with the front. Think it's either the square shape vs my normal maxxis or I've just gotten too old and slow to need a DH casing front tire.
If Conti ever gets their shit together and gets to market with enduro (and hopefully trail) casing Kryptotal fronts (EDIT: in super soft), I'm going to switch a couple of bikes and see if I can get used to the shape. The enduro casing is excellent and the soft rear tires seem to wear really well.
Would be curious to hear from anyone else struggling to go from maxxis to conti, especially on the front.
I had a go at Conti kryptotal F in super soft DH
My other go to are Pirelli scorpion enduro race M and assegai MaxxGrip, exo+ or DD
I wasn’t as thrilled on the kryptotal as the hype had me thinking I would be. Chemical grip is some of the best but the square profile was just a bit too square for me. I can see it being an unreal DH tire. When you’re in the window of traction the grip is unreal, but it’s a smaller margin than you’ll get on a rounder tire profile. Doing repeat runs and riding a trail you really know it’s great but it’s a tire that needs a lot of precision imo. I like to ride a lot of natural terrain and it’s not as easy to ride on the fly as the assegai or scorpion.
The scorpion (only race compound) is an unreal tire. Round profile but still has a super sharp edge bite, more than an assegai, casing however a bit stiffer and will ping off objects early than an assegai. Also, every Scorpion bar 1 i have needed to take off I needed to slice off. They just about glue onto the bead.
Assegai still th gold standard for a front tire that’s easy to source and install and will work well most places. The scorpion has more edge hold and lasts much much better than a MaxxGrip with a comparable rubber softness, however not as comfy to ride and whilst easy to fit they’re a pain to remove. Also the claimed weight of 1250(?) is off, each one I’ve weighed is over 1400. I also don’t love any rear pirelli.
Conti is good, but not super confident if you’re not 100% dialled on your line. Also, don’t bother with anything that isn’t super soft. The soft is like plastic, maxxis DC is better. Great for a hard wearing rear if you don’t mind it stepping out a bit, but not recommended as a front
I was told soft is OK, but trail/endurance compound is garbage.
Its kind of ok. I have soft Kryptotals front and rear right now and the soft does feels similar to my maxterra assegai did but i think super soft is the way to go
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in...
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in loose while not being squirmy in hardpack. A subtle difference for sure, but that's it.
Tis the season.... when will we be seeing more HR3's in stock?
Surprised to read your description of the knob height, personally I was disappointed with the Shorty v2 in the 2.4 width after running the v1 in 2.5.
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in...
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in loose while not being squirmy in hardpack. A subtle difference for sure, but that's it.
Tis the season.... when will we be seeing more HR3's in stock?Surprised to read your description of the knob height, personally I was disappointed with the...
Tis the season.... when will we be seeing more HR3's in stock?
Surprised to read your description of the knob height, personally I was disappointed with the Shorty v2 in the 2.4 width after running the v1 in 2.5.
We have a handful of 27.5 DH casing in stock on our e-store. More 29 in all flavors (DH, DD, EXO+) and 27.5 DD are arriving in the next couple of weeks. 27.5 EXO+ are a couple months out.
Has anyone run the Specialized Purgatory Grid Trail T9's ? I've been on the Cannibals F+R for both DH & Trail bike for the last year, and it's just an incredible tire.
I'm leaving the rooty loamy PNW for the sandy hardpack High Sierras and may need a new tire. I feel like the Cannibal will be a boat anchor in Reno/Tahoe zone (flatter terrain, long pedals out to the trailhead)
My hunch with the Cannibal is the alternating side knobs could be the special sauce. Or its the T9 on the Cannibal, which is noticeably more damp & sticky than the T9 on the Butcher or Eliminator, which is interesting. The Purgatory looks to be the little brother with the alternating side knobs and the center profile.
Has anyone run the Specialized Purgatory Grid Trail T9's ? I've been on the Cannibals F+R for both DH & Trail bike for the last year...
Has anyone run the Specialized Purgatory Grid Trail T9's ? I've been on the Cannibals F+R for both DH & Trail bike for the last year, and it's just an incredible tire.
I'm leaving the rooty loamy PNW for the sandy hardpack High Sierras and may need a new tire. I feel like the Cannibal will be a boat anchor in Reno/Tahoe zone (flatter terrain, long pedals out to the trailhead)
My hunch with the Cannibal is the alternating side knobs could be the special sauce. Or its the T9 on the Cannibal, which is noticeably more damp & sticky than the T9 on the Butcher or Eliminator, which is interesting. The Purgatory looks to be the little brother with the alternating side knobs and the center profile.
I've went through a few fronts on my trail bike including Specialized Ground Control T7, XR4 Team Issue 2.4, Onza Ibex, Specialized Purgatory T9 & currently Schwalbe Tacky Chan UltraSoft Super Ground
GC, is not great. It's no faster than other options with worse traction.
The Ibex is just, so fast. But not quite enough traction as it wears even slightly. If speed is the primary concern and you don't mind replacing often (before you even see wear), this is your tire. If you are on the GC, switch to the Ibex. It's crazy how AM it looks, yet XC it feels.
The XR4 (RIP) is very, very good. Fast, light, very good traction. Haven't tried the new heavier version.
The TC is real fast and leaned all of the way over in the right conditions, it's the best by a solid margin. If you consistently have something to bite into, you'll love this tire. You don't feel the weight. However, at less convincing lean angles, it has a dead spot. Think leaves on the trail, lose rocks everywhere, etc. It can be sketchy in these moments.
The Purg T9 is probably my favorite. It's between the Purg & the TC for me. It works really well in many conditions. It's also cheap enough that you could buy 2 of them for every 1 TC and keep fresher tires mounted. It is however the slowest of these tires.
I can't help but wonder how a 2.3 DHF 3c would work up front for trail riding?
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from a brand called hycline. i'd never heard of them, but they look like a reseller of cheap bikes / products. their tire is literally an unbadged WTB verdict. how does stuff like this work? WTB just let's them sell the tires or does the tire factory make the deal swooping WTB?
I've went through a few fronts on my trail bike including Specialized Ground Control T7, XR4 Team Issue 2.4, Onza Ibex, Specialized Purgatory T9 & currently...
I've went through a few fronts on my trail bike including Specialized Ground Control T7, XR4 Team Issue 2.4, Onza Ibex, Specialized Purgatory T9 & currently Schwalbe Tacky Chan UltraSoft Super Ground
GC, is not great. It's no faster than other options with worse traction.
The Ibex is just, so fast. But not quite enough traction as it wears even slightly. If speed is the primary concern and you don't mind replacing often (before you even see wear), this is your tire. If you are on the GC, switch to the Ibex. It's crazy how AM it looks, yet XC it feels.
The XR4 (RIP) is very, very good. Fast, light, very good traction. Haven't tried the new heavier version.
The TC is real fast and leaned all of the way over in the right conditions, it's the best by a solid margin. If you consistently have something to bite into, you'll love this tire. You don't feel the weight. However, at less convincing lean angles, it has a dead spot. Think leaves on the trail, lose rocks everywhere, etc. It can be sketchy in these moments.
The Purg T9 is probably my favorite. It's between the Purg & the TC for me. It works really well in many conditions. It's also cheap enough that you could buy 2 of them for every 1 TC and keep fresher tires mounted. It is however the slowest of these tires.
I can't help but wonder how a 2.3 DHF 3c would work up front for trail riding?
Can you type out the abbreviations and be more specific on exactly what versions you used?
1/2 the general tire confusion is because there are 50x variations of the same tire name.
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from...
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from a brand called hycline. i'd never heard of them, but they look like a reseller of cheap bikes / products. their tire is literally an unbadged WTB verdict. how does stuff like this work? WTB just let's them sell the tires or does the tire factory make the deal swooping WTB?
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from...
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from a brand called hycline. i'd never heard of them, but they look like a reseller of cheap bikes / products. their tire is literally an unbadged WTB verdict. how does stuff like this work? WTB just let's them sell the tires or does the tire factory make the deal swooping WTB?
That's a known issue and Specialized actually honors their warranty for them. Check with your shop and it should be a simple process. Regardless, they are subpar if you push them hard. I tried their whole trail range (Cannibal, Butcher, Eliminator and Ground Control) and they left a lot to be desired. Good call on the Contis.
Now that the new high roller is out (and hopefully people have gotten some experience on it) I'm curious as to how the shorty fits into the lineup since it seems like there's some overlap where people would previously run shorties that is covered by the HR3.
With winter rapidly approaching, I'm wondering, what DH tires should I be looking at for cold weather performance? I'm currently running DH MaxxGrip Assguy/DHRII on my Orbea Wild emtb, which are great, but I feel like below a certain temperature, they really harden up and lose a lot of their magic grippy powers.
My home terrain is NE Oregon, semi-loamy with a medium amount of roots and rocks thrown in, standard inland northwest mountain riding, and looking to optimize for dirt ranging from hero to freeze/rethaw, and even packed shallow snow.
Continental Argotal as a front tire, maybe a Kryptotal R in the rear? The latter also allows you to choose a super soft or soft compound in the dh casing if you care about wear/rolling resistance
Michelin nerds: check the tires on Eleonora's bike at MSA. Wild Enduros, at MSA? Is this for thinner sidewalls for a lighter rider?
I would say my last gen Wild Enduro's a are on par with the sidewalls on my current gen Continental DH Xynotal tires. So for a lighter rider it's not likely an issue.
I’d say so yeah, those new ones feels almost the same as specialized gravity, little more subtle and lighter.
I just installed a wild enduro MH on my enduro bike.. it's closer closer to their DH weight.. similar to conti DH.. not light by any means.. litle bit more compliant than previous versions.. fwiw
If I remember correctly my wild enduro ms weighed 1248g and specialized cannibal gravity was around 1400-1450g
The Shorty knobs are a little bit taller than the HR3 so it's more suited to really soft, muddy conditions where the HR3 is good in loose while not being squirmy in hardpack. A subtle difference for sure, but that's it.
I had a go at Conti kryptotal F in super soft DH
My other go to are Pirelli scorpion enduro race M and assegai MaxxGrip, exo+ or DD
I wasn’t as thrilled on the kryptotal as the hype had me thinking I would be. Chemical grip is some of the best but the square profile was just a bit too square for me. I can see it being an unreal DH tire. When you’re in the window of traction the grip is unreal, but it’s a smaller margin than you’ll get on a rounder tire profile. Doing repeat runs and riding a trail you really know it’s great but it’s a tire that needs a lot of precision imo. I like to ride a lot of natural terrain and it’s not as easy to ride on the fly as the assegai or scorpion.
The scorpion (only race compound) is an unreal tire. Round profile but still has a super sharp edge bite, more than an assegai, casing however a bit stiffer and will ping off objects early than an assegai. Also, every Scorpion bar 1 i have needed to take off I needed to slice off. They just about glue onto the bead.
Assegai still th gold standard for a front tire that’s easy to source and install and will work well most places. The scorpion has more edge hold and lasts much much better than a MaxxGrip with a comparable rubber softness, however not as comfy to ride and whilst easy to fit they’re a pain to remove. Also the claimed weight of 1250(?) is off, each one I’ve weighed is over 1400. I also don’t love any rear pirelli.
Conti is good, but not super confident if you’re not 100% dialled on your line. Also, don’t bother with anything that isn’t super soft. The soft is like plastic, maxxis DC is better. Great for a hard wearing rear if you don’t mind it stepping out a bit, but not recommended as a front
I was told soft is OK, but trail/endurance compound is garbage.
Its kind of ok. I have soft Kryptotals front and rear right now and the soft does feels similar to my maxterra assegai did but i think super soft is the way to go
Tis the season.... when will we be seeing more HR3's in stock?
Surprised to read your description of the knob height, personally I was disappointed with the Shorty v2 in the 2.4 width after running the v1 in 2.5.
We have a handful of 27.5 DH casing in stock on our e-store. More 29 in all flavors (DH, DD, EXO+) and 27.5 DD are arriving in the next couple of weeks. 27.5 EXO+ are a couple months out.
Has anyone run the Specialized Purgatory Grid Trail T9's ? I've been on the Cannibals F+R for both DH & Trail bike for the last year, and it's just an incredible tire.
I'm leaving the rooty loamy PNW for the sandy hardpack High Sierras and may need a new tire. I feel like the Cannibal will be a boat anchor in Reno/Tahoe zone (flatter terrain, long pedals out to the trailhead)
My hunch with the Cannibal is the alternating side knobs could be the special sauce. Or its the T9 on the Cannibal, which is noticeably more damp & sticky than the T9 on the Butcher or Eliminator, which is interesting. The Purgatory looks to be the little brother with the alternating side knobs and the center profile.
No but I’m eyeing those for my next set of faster trail tires. Report back if you get some.
I was going to pick grid trail T7 for the rear and a T9 grid for front.
I've went through a few fronts on my trail bike including Specialized Ground Control T7, XR4 Team Issue 2.4, Onza Ibex, Specialized Purgatory T9 & currently Schwalbe Tacky Chan UltraSoft Super Ground
GC, is not great. It's no faster than other options with worse traction.
The Ibex is just, so fast. But not quite enough traction as it wears even slightly. If speed is the primary concern and you don't mind replacing often (before you even see wear), this is your tire. If you are on the GC, switch to the Ibex. It's crazy how AM it looks, yet XC it feels.
The XR4 (RIP) is very, very good. Fast, light, very good traction. Haven't tried the new heavier version.
The TC is real fast and leaned all of the way over in the right conditions, it's the best by a solid margin. If you consistently have something to bite into, you'll love this tire. You don't feel the weight. However, at less convincing lean angles, it has a dead spot. Think leaves on the trail, lose rocks everywhere, etc. It can be sketchy in these moments.
The Purg T9 is probably my favorite. It's between the Purg & the TC for me. It works really well in many conditions. It's also cheap enough that you could buy 2 of them for every 1 TC and keep fresher tires mounted. It is however the slowest of these tires.
I can't help but wonder how a 2.3 DHF 3c would work up front for trail riding?
i got an email today "hey there youtube influencer, we'll give you two free tires if you make a video..." (definitely not worth it 🤣) from a brand called hycline. i'd never heard of them, but they look like a reseller of cheap bikes / products. their tire is literally an unbadged WTB verdict. how does stuff like this work? WTB just let's them sell the tires or does the tire factory make the deal swooping WTB?
https://hyclinebike.com/products/terrace-mountain-bike-tire-26-27-5-29-2-4
vs. WTB verdict
https://www.wtb.com/collections/tires/products/verdict-sg1
Can you type out the abbreviations and be more specific on exactly what versions you used?
1/2 the general tire confusion is because there are 50x variations of the same tire name.
They have those tires listed as weighing 2400 grams.
Even makes WTBs seem light!
Hey this thread is for nerds only, start a different thread if you want to ask MBAs about business models and licensing agreements.
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