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DServy
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DServy wrote:
I keep hearing great things about Conti tires, excited to finally try them out soon. Does anyone have any experience with the difference between conti Soft...

I keep hearing great things about Conti tires, excited to finally try them out soon.

Does anyone have any experience with the difference between conti Soft and Super Soft casings? I'm going to be spending a decent chunk of time in Sea to Sky area soon and I'm wondering if Soft will be "fine" for grip when it gets a touch wet. The super soft style tires I've ran in the past (Maxgrip and Schwalbies offering) are amazing for their brief life, but just simply fall apart too quickly to be anything more than a race tire for me. 

 

Conti softs last forever I run them on my ebike.

Yeah, that seems to be the general consensus, but I am wondering if their super soft holds up pretty well or if their soft is fine for some slightly wet root/rocks. 

 

Cougar797
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6/25/2024 8:11am
Fred_Pop wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres: My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which...

Ok here are my thoughts on MTB tyres:

My setup is singleply tyres with cushcore and tube. It's a tad lighter than my previous setup which was DH tyres and tubes.

I'm able to run lower pressures for maximum grip without flatting or destroying rims. I used to replace rear rims once a year. For the bikepark I just increase tyre pressure by 3psi front and back. 

So typical setup is 2.5/2.6 in tyre with 12-14psi (15-17psi for bikepark) in the front and 15-17psi (18-20psi for bikepark) in the back. I weigh 60kg ~132lb

My favourite all conditions tyre is the Schwalbe Eddy Current front which is like a Magic Mary on steroids. Don't recommend it as a rear as it's very slow rolling.

Best cornering tyre is the Maxxis Assegai in dry conditions. I remove the small middle knobs to make it more of an all conditions tyre as it helps clear wet dirt better. 

Best soft conditions tyre is the now extinct WTB Verdict Wet though I recently got the Onza Porcupine RC 2.5 and it's not bad. Might try my previous fav the Schwalbe Dirty Dan again to do a back to back test.

Favorite fast rolling rear tyre I discovered last year Schwalbe Johnny Watts

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Johnny-Watts-11159431

I don't tend to buy the softest or the stickiest tyres as with my super lower tyre pressures I have enough mechanic grip from casing deformation to allow me to ride off camber roots with ease.

Now I have found that MTB tyres tend to be very square even when you run them on narrower rims. The exceptions I've found are:

-Kenda Hellkat 2.6

-Onza Porcupine RC 2.5

-Assegai 2.5

I would like to see a MTB version of this Schwalbe BMX tyre with bigger knobs:

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/Little-Joe-11600846.02

 

PS: I mtb only I don't ebike even if I do run ebike tyres on occasion ;P

 

airwreck wrote:

Have you looked at the Tannus inserts? They are designed to work with a tube.

I've went to this setup in both my bikes. Really works pretty well. Not having the hassle of tubeless anymore is really relieving. No more sealant drying, small dents don't open seal, and its pretty tough. I watched a buddy destroy a rim running this the other day and with a bit over 30 psi in the tube the tannus kept the tube whole after a rim had buckled in. 

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Dave_Camp
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Another double pinch on a DD aggressor with Rimpact and 27psi on a mystery hit- didn’t hear rim or anything.

Need that DH casing Aggressor.

 

I fixed the spoke don’t worry. 

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TSchafer
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I feel like the wide spaced knobs of the aggressor make it really easy to puncture one way or another, I’ve always had bad luck with them. They roll amazing though 

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Dave_Camp
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TSchafer wrote:
I feel like the wide spaced knobs of the aggressor make it really easy to puncture one way or another, I’ve always had bad luck with...

I feel like the wide spaced knobs of the aggressor make it really easy to puncture one way or another, I’ve always had bad luck with them. They roll amazing though 

Agree- rolling speed is awesome, grip is good enough and they seem to last a long time if you don’t puncture.

But yeah- not buying any more of them.

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sprungmass
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If you like the rolling speed of Aggressor then the Continental Xynotol could be a good alternative. I have the Aggressor DD 2.5WT and Xynotol in Enduro Soft. Both roll similarly fast. The straight line braking between both tires on loose dirt is similar with predictable drifting. The side knobs on Xyno hook up better overall from my back to back testing. It is offered in DH casing and super soft compound which might help you guys avoid these flats.

Happy to find this thread because I do nerd out a lot when it comes to tires and might have a slight hoarding problem. Here are some combos I run these days and some notable favorites highlighted (Front/Rear) AMA

Maxxis:

Ikon, Aspen <-Fav XC race combo
Ikon, Rekon Race
Ikon, Ikon
Rekon, Ikon
Rekon, Aspen
Forekaster, Aspen
Forekaster, Ikon
Forekaster (DC,3C,2,4/2.6), Rekon <-Running right now for non-competitive XC
DHF DC, Rekon DC <- One of my all time favs on short travel 140mm trail bike
DHF DC, DHR2 DC
Assegai, Aggressor <-Great for Sedona/Moab
Assegai, DHR2 <-Good for AB/BC DH riding but doesn't over a week

Continental:

Argotal DH SS, Kryptotal-R, Enduro S <- My current fav on 170mm Enduro rig
Kryptotal-F DH SS, Xynotol Enduro S <- 2nd fav on spare wheelset. Speedy combo for long pedaly enduro days
Kryptotal-F Enduro S, Xynotol Enduro S <- Fun on both trail and enduro bike

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airwreck
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1 day ago Edited Date/Time 2 minutes ago

Nothing useful to add, just felt like commenting on how "fun" it is to keep myself and the family happy with their tires in the midst of our annual month of Whistler bike park riding. Oh, and it's been raining too. FWIW, I'm running a Delium Versatile reinforced on the rear with cushcore and 23lbs, my 130lb14 year old son is tubeless fresh DHR II MT DH and I'm afraid to put the pressure gauge on it, he says 35 and he's hearing rim dings and not bringing his whips back. His FR541 is still true and dent free, I hope I didn't just jinx myself...

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Dave_Camp wrote:
  Another double pinch on a DD aggressor with Rimpact and 27psi on a mystery hit- didn’t hear rim or anything. Need that DH casing Aggressor...


 

Another double pinch on a DD aggressor with Rimpact and 27psi on a mystery hit- didn’t hear rim or anything.

Need that DH casing Aggressor.

 

I fixed the spoke don’t worry. 

Believe it or not, i've only ever damaged rims/tyres when running Inserts, I remember a Pro once told me the reason why they don't and they had the same issues i did, i cant remember it word for word so I wont try make a sh1t show of English ha-ha
It's quite funny how lots of DH pro's  don't use inserts now but basically all XC racers do.

 

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1llumA
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Xc racer like the insert mostly for the run flat capacities to be able to get back faster to the tech zone for switching wheels during a race. Don't think most of them care about the sidewall support or other characteristic of an insert.

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I am still running an original Rimpact insert (which is quite light) to try to save my rear WAO Union. I am amazed the shit kicking and hits these WAO rims have taken. Even though aluminium is cool again, I'm very tempted by staying with carbon forever for the legit lazy factor of never spending any hours over last two seasons truing or building wheels.

My line choice isn't perfect and usually doesn't take into account dangerous things on the ground (I race enduro, not usually DH). It defaults to whatever looks the fastest on a macro scale when trying to go fast. Basically running it as rim insurance for mistakes and run flat. I can't see going up to full cushcore again (so awful to pedal). Light insert + heavier casing on the rear has been my go-to for awhile. I like it more than just a naked rear DH or DD casing tire.

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Johnboy
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1 day ago Edited Date/Time 22 hours ago

My favourite tyre combo at the moment (been on this combo for a yr or so) is WTB Judge Tough/High Grip 29x2.4 front and WTB Trail Boss 29x2.4 Tough/Fast Rolling on the rear.

Local riding consists of hardpack/loose (coarse sand) over hard interspersed with granite rocks/boulders and the odd root sections

 

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bcurrancy
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sprungmass wrote:
If you like the rolling speed of Aggressor then the Continental Xynotol could be a good alternative. I have the Aggressor DD 2.5WT and Xynotol in...

If you like the rolling speed of Aggressor then the Continental Xynotol could be a good alternative. I have the Aggressor DD 2.5WT and Xynotol in Enduro Soft. Both roll similarly fast. The straight line braking between both tires on loose dirt is similar with predictable drifting. The side knobs on Xyno hook up better overall from my back to back testing. It is offered in DH casing and super soft compound which might help you guys avoid these flats.

Happy to find this thread because I do nerd out a lot when it comes to tires and might have a slight hoarding problem. Here are some combos I run these days and some notable favorites highlighted (Front/Rear) AMA

Maxxis:

Ikon, Aspen <-Fav XC race combo
Ikon, Rekon Race
Ikon, Ikon
Rekon, Ikon
Rekon, Aspen
Forekaster, Aspen
Forekaster, Ikon
Forekaster (DC,3C,2,4/2.6), Rekon <-Running right now for non-competitive XC
DHF DC, Rekon DC <- One of my all time favs on short travel 140mm trail bike
DHF DC, DHR2 DC
Assegai, Aggressor <-Great for Sedona/Moab
Assegai, DHR2 <-Good for AB/BC DH riding but doesn't over a week

Continental:

Argotal DH SS, Kryptotal-R, Enduro S <- My current fav on 170mm Enduro rig
Kryptotal-F DH SS, Xynotol Enduro S <- 2nd fav on spare wheelset. Speedy combo for long pedaly enduro days
Kryptotal-F Enduro S, Xynotol Enduro S <- Fun on both trail and enduro bike

Would be curious to hear some thoughts on on the Xynotal vs Kryptotal Rear. It’s fairly dry, rocky and dusty on most of what I’m riding and it seems like the Xynotal might be sweet as long as the dust isn’t deep.

 

I just swapped from a DHR 2 maxx grip dh to a the Kryptotal in DH Soft rear and really like it so far. Will probably try an enduro casing Kryptotal FR up front when my Assegai’s all wear out. The exo+ casing and maxx grip combo in the Assegai seems to be what conti is missing for a front tire. Would buy a super soft enduro casing kryptotal instantly. 

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sprungmass
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3 hours ago

The Xynotol excels in hardpack and rocky conditions due to it's short and tighter packed center tread. If you have very dry blown out loose dirt conditions then it will lock much much faster in a straight line than a Kryptotal Re. This of course can be fixed with more front braking. I think it is worth running the Xynotol for the extra speed and playfulness. The side knobs are still very stable and hook up great for cornering. Just did a rainy alpine ride on it and it was a hoot.

If you are replacing a Assegai Maxxgrip then I'd go Kryptotal FR SS DH. The Soft Enduro is more comparable to a Maxxterra. It is worth the extra weight.

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