They told me that the molds for the DH bikes were inspected and it appeared they could get another 20 frames out of them. They have...
They told me that the molds for the DH bikes were inspected and it appeared they could get another 20 frames out of them. They have some spares as well around for existing owners. Assuming it takes off, they could easily do another prototype mold or actually invest in full scale production ones. I suspect they are trying to keep it lean though. If fifty at a time is profitable, no need to go further in this bike market. Especially since it’s really just a marketing piece for their e-bike.
The frames are built by VP, which makes a bunch of stuff for other manufacturers as well.
Last...would love to know why there are water bottle mounts on all their DH frames.
I'll take the answer that it's for mounting a computer to...
Last...would love to know why there are water bottle mounts on all their DH frames.
I'll take the answer that it's for mounting a computer to for DAQ/telemetry as the ONLY acceptable answer.
I have a Oneup Pump/Toolkit on mine. Yeah I know, but sometimes it's a long hike back to the bottom. I also run it with a Single crown during the winter and actually go pedal the thing. Not really any worse than my Spire on the trail.
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock, but there were complaints from consumers about not wanting to wait 1-2 months for their bike to get delivered. Then they moved to the new bigger facility and started pumping out frames to meet pandemic demand, only to have that demand dry up super quick.
It wasn't just the overstock of frames either, it was also ramping up production equipment and staffing.
I think had they stayed small and kept the waitlist they'd still be around, but I don't know the entire story there either.
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock...
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock, but there were complaints from consumers about not wanting to wait 1-2 months for their bike to get delivered. Then they moved to the new bigger facility and started pumping out frames to meet pandemic demand, only to have that demand dry up super quick.
It wasn't just the overstock of frames either, it was also ramping up production equipment and staffing.
I think had they stayed small and kept the waitlist they'd still be around, but I don't know the entire story there either.
My understanding is that it was more a case of getting in bed with the wrong investor. Basically said investor was done "playing with that toy" and then they had no money left to operate the business and they couldn't find someone else to buy it. Which on that note, I think a lot of brands in the bike world are on the verge of not having enough money to operate anymore, so if you like something a company is doing these days then buy it. It goes a longer ways than you'd expect.
They told me that the molds for the DH bikes were inspected and it appeared they could get another 20 frames out of them. They have...
They told me that the molds for the DH bikes were inspected and it appeared they could get another 20 frames out of them. They have some spares as well around for existing owners. Assuming it takes off, they could easily do another prototype mold or actually invest in full scale production ones. I suspect they are trying to keep it lean though. If fifty at a time is profitable, no need to go further in this bike market. Especially since it’s really just a marketing piece for their e-bike.
The frames are built by VP, which makes a bunch of stuff for other manufacturers as well.
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after...
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
Doesn't seem that wild looking at other cuts Devinci has made. Looking through the rider list, I'd be surprised if anyone but Yoann was on salary there anymore. The EWS team and riders are gone, and those remaining are primarily well-self-branded local Canadian riders (but I'd be surprised if they are receiving more than equipment).
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock...
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock, but there were complaints from consumers about not wanting to wait 1-2 months for their bike to get delivered. Then they moved to the new bigger facility and started pumping out frames to meet pandemic demand, only to have that demand dry up super quick.
It wasn't just the overstock of frames either, it was also ramping up production equipment and staffing.
I think had they stayed small and kept the waitlist they'd still be around, but I don't know the entire story there either.
The wild thing is pretty much everybody saw this coming when the big Covid bike boom thing happened. It’s easier to look at objectively when you’re not a bike manufacturer making money by selling bikes, but it was easy to predict that the market would basically tank and and nobody would want a new bike in a few years. Most of the companies couldn’t resist cashing in on the huge demand which is now fuckin them pretty hard.
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after...
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
Not sure how much a rampage winner is going to sell bikes vs a WC winner or even podium guy. Only speaking for myself here- I watch rampage and pay minimum attention to what bikes they're riding, but know at least most of what the top guys are riding for DH racing.
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after...
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
Not sure how much a rampage winner is going to sell bikes vs a WC winner or even podium guy. Only speaking for myself here- I...
Not sure how much a rampage winner is going to sell bikes vs a WC winner or even podium guy. Only speaking for myself here- I watch rampage and pay minimum attention to what bikes they're riding, but know at least most of what the top guys are riding for DH racing.
I'm the complete opposite. I don't race so when I ride I relate more to freeriders. I geek out on everything those guys do, suspension set up, spring rates, bar heights, all the changes they make from events like Darkfest to Rampage, all of it. Even when I'm just out on a trail ride I'm looking for anything to jump and huck myself off of. I just feel like companies could really do so much more to relate to the non-race oriented MTB demographic. If I was Devinci's marketing I would have been all over this. Hopefully he gets picked up by a brand that values that kind of content.
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after...
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most consistent and well known names in freeride, but it feels like he's bounced around a lot. Or maybe I'm reading into things too much and he's just been unlucky?
Santa Cruz, Haro, Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper, YT (I guess that was six years, which is pretty decent), and now Devinci.
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most...
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most consistent and well known names in freeride, but it feels like he's bounced around a lot. Or maybe I'm reading into things too much and he's just been unlucky?
Santa Cruz, Haro, Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper, YT (I guess that was six years, which is pretty decent), and now Devinci.
The other side of that coin, he has been with TLD, Monster, Deity, and other brands for decades.
Yes, he has been on a variety of bike brands, but he has also been racing and competing since like 2002 or something.
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most...
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most consistent and well known names in freeride, but it feels like he's bounced around a lot. Or maybe I'm reading into things too much and he's just been unlucky?
Santa Cruz, Haro, Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper, YT (I guess that was six years, which is pretty decent), and now Devinci.
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most...
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most consistent and well known names in freeride, but it feels like he's bounced around a lot. Or maybe I'm reading into things too much and he's just been unlucky?
Santa Cruz, Haro, Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper, YT (I guess that was six years, which is pretty decent), and now Devinci.
The other side of that coin, he has been with TLD, Monster, Deity, and other brands for decades.
Yes, he has been on a variety of...
The other side of that coin, he has been with TLD, Monster, Deity, and other brands for decades.
Yes, he has been on a variety of bike brands, but he has also been racing and competing since like 2002 or something.
I would also add that it's combined with some pretty bad luck around those partnerships. It seems like Felt, Corsair, Evil, and Hyper were all kind of unable to pay what he was worth during those contract periods. I have a hunch Devinci could be in a similar position with how many other athletes they've let go this year.
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership with Gwin, Tektro was no where but low end OEM parts.
I do think Gwin brings a significant value to companies that work for him. I have no way of quantifying that. I have purchased and am interested in parts he runs.
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership...
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership with Gwin, Tektro was no where but low end OEM parts.
I do think Gwin brings a significant value to companies that work for him. I have no way of quantifying that. I have purchased and am interested in parts he runs.
Commencal MucOff will be on SRAM Maven brakes this season.
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership...
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership with Gwin, Tektro was no where but low end OEM parts.
I do think Gwin brings a significant value to companies that work for him. I have no way of quantifying that. I have purchased and am interested in parts he runs.
Norco is also Live to Play Sports which is one of the big distributors in Canada. I imagine the brands they carry played into the brands he could pick from
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership...
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership with Gwin, Tektro was no where but low end OEM parts.
I do think Gwin brings a significant value to companies that work for him. I have no way of quantifying that. I have purchased and am interested in parts he runs.
The thing is what we look down on low end OEM but thats where the money actually is, Tektro probably sells 100s OEMs to one pair of DH-Rs...
The money is there only if you have huge contracts and supply a lot of parts for a lot of bikes. All of this means big production numbers which requires a big company with a lot of different production capabilities, saving cents on every part, etc.
It really depends on what you want to do. You can make money with 5 parts a year or 500.000 just like you can lose money in either of the two cases.
The last bike industry mfg that I worked for just barely made money on OEM contracts, they are always razor thin in the margins department.
They made all their money selling the top tier stuff aftermarket, 3-4x the margins of the large OE contracts.
Like Primoz said, you can sell a thousand products and make $10 off each one, or sell 100 and make $100 off each one. Often the latter is the better choice.
I'm willing to bet TRP makes more $ selling DHR EVO brakes aftermarket than any low end OE stuff.
To be realistic, the thing with Zink is not his talent. It's the competition for video plays in his demographic.
He moved to the Southwest to get away from Cali for a better life for his family. Looks to be a great move toward happiness.
But dang...his competition for clicks is guys throwing DarkFest front flips, Semenuk racking up rally wins & breakneck edits and a million other young guns who can hit the ground and still hop up.
To be realistic, the thing with Zink is not his talent. It's the competition for video plays in his demographic.
He moved to the Southwest to...
To be realistic, the thing with Zink is not his talent. It's the competition for video plays in his demographic.
He moved to the Southwest to get away from Cali for a better life for his family. Looks to be a great move toward happiness.
But dang...his competition for clicks is guys throwing DarkFest front flips, Semenuk racking up rally wins & breakneck edits and a million other young guns who can hit the ground and still hop up.
Add to that, he loses his shit when someone breaks one of his records.
according to some that are in-the-know, nukeproof and vitus cease to exist with these layoffs (they were still holding on in the UK). if this is true, any rider with "nukeproof" listed in their world cup team name should be asking questions.
this was posted in the "businesses going under thread" - https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/almost-every-member-of-staff-axed-at-wigglecrc-as-company-hits-rock-bottom
according to some that are in-the-know, nukeproof and vitus cease to exist with these layoffs...
according to some that are in-the-know, nukeproof and vitus cease to exist with these layoffs (they were still holding on in the UK). if this is true, any rider with "nukeproof" listed in their world cup team name should be asking questions.
I'm picturing one guy alone in an dark cold warehouse putting together the remaining 370 Nukeproof bikes, holding onto that last flicker of hope.
I have a Oneup Pump/Toolkit on mine. Yeah I know, but sometimes it's a long hike back to the bottom. I also run it with a Single crown during the winter and actually go pedal the thing. Not really any worse than my Spire on the trail.
JIT manufacturing and moving away from it was part of what I suspect killed Guerrilla Gravity. Prior to the pandemic they did not have much overstock, but there were complaints from consumers about not wanting to wait 1-2 months for their bike to get delivered. Then they moved to the new bigger facility and started pumping out frames to meet pandemic demand, only to have that demand dry up super quick.
It wasn't just the overstock of frames either, it was also ramping up production equipment and staffing.
I think had they stayed small and kept the waitlist they'd still be around, but I don't know the entire story there either.
My understanding is that it was more a case of getting in bed with the wrong investor. Basically said investor was done "playing with that toy" and then they had no money left to operate the business and they couldn't find someone else to buy it. Which on that note, I think a lot of brands in the bike world are on the verge of not having enough money to operate anymore, so if you like something a company is doing these days then buy it. It goes a longer ways than you'd expect.
Could be good for those of us wanting good announcers
I don't want to see Aaron as a announcer, I want to see him competing
I don't know if this was mentioned already but it looks like Zink is off Devinci. Crazy that a Rampage winner would lose his sponsorship after winning arguably the biggest MTB event of the year. And it looks like Devinci completely fumbled the opportunity to capitalize on it. Aaron, pick him up!
Doesn't seem that wild looking at other cuts Devinci has made. Looking through the rider list, I'd be surprised if anyone but Yoann was on salary there anymore. The EWS team and riders are gone, and those remaining are primarily well-self-branded local Canadian riders (but I'd be surprised if they are receiving more than equipment).
The wild thing is pretty much everybody saw this coming when the big Covid bike boom thing happened. It’s easier to look at objectively when you’re not a bike manufacturer making money by selling bikes, but it was easy to predict that the market would basically tank and and nobody would want a new bike in a few years. Most of the companies couldn’t resist cashing in on the huge demand which is now fuckin them pretty hard.
Not sure how much a rampage winner is going to sell bikes vs a WC winner or even podium guy. Only speaking for myself here- I watch rampage and pay minimum attention to what bikes they're riding, but know at least most of what the top guys are riding for DH racing.
I'm the complete opposite. I don't race so when I ride I relate more to freeriders. I geek out on everything those guys do, suspension set up, spring rates, bar heights, all the changes they make from events like Darkfest to Rampage, all of it. Even when I'm just out on a trail ride I'm looking for anything to jump and huck myself off of. I just feel like companies could really do so much more to relate to the non-race oriented MTB demographic. If I was Devinci's marketing I would have been all over this. Hopefully he gets picked up by a brand that values that kind of content.
With how many bike sponsorships Zink has gone through over the years, I'm curious if he's difficult to work with? He is one of the most consistent and well known names in freeride, but it feels like he's bounced around a lot. Or maybe I'm reading into things too much and he's just been unlucky?
Santa Cruz, Haro, Felt, Corsair, Evil, Hyper, YT (I guess that was six years, which is pretty decent), and now Devinci.
didn't he retire?
The other side of that coin, he has been with TLD, Monster, Deity, and other brands for decades.
Yes, he has been on a variety of bike brands, but he has also been racing and competing since like 2002 or something.
Good point. Zink's been with TLD, Oakley, and Deity for almost 20 years. Not small players in the game.
I would also add that it's combined with some pretty bad luck around those partnerships. It seems like Felt, Corsair, Evil, and Hyper were all kind of unable to pay what he was worth during those contract periods. I have a hunch Devinci could be in a similar position with how many other athletes they've let go this year.
I've been seeing Cam on his new bike. It's discussed here,
https://mbaction.com/cam-zink-tells-mba-that-hes-working-on-starting-his-own-bike-company-1-24-24-1351/
He is planning on competing in Rampage 2024
Gracey sporting Fox Suspension, TRP brakes and drivetrain, Crank Bros wheels on her norco at Hardline
https://www.instagram.com/stories/graceyhemstreet/3307165347337212694/
Interesting, of all the components Minaar could pick, his team ends up on TRP. MucOff and Gwin Racing all running TRP.
And before the partnership with Gwin, Tektro was no where but low end OEM parts.
I do think Gwin brings a significant value to companies that work for him. I have no way of quantifying that. I have purchased and am interested in parts he runs.
Commencal MucOff will be on SRAM Maven brakes this season.
https://www.instagram.com/commencal_mucoff/reel/C2aJA4NtTb6/
Norco is also Live to Play Sports which is one of the big distributors in Canada. I imagine the brands they carry played into the brands he could pick from
The thing is what we look down on low end OEM but thats where the money actually is, Tektro probably sells 100s OEMs to one pair of DH-Rs...
The money is there only if you have huge contracts and supply a lot of parts for a lot of bikes. All of this means big production numbers which requires a big company with a lot of different production capabilities, saving cents on every part, etc.
It really depends on what you want to do. You can make money with 5 parts a year or 500.000 just like you can lose money in either of the two cases.
The last bike industry mfg that I worked for just barely made money on OEM contracts, they are always razor thin in the margins department.
They made all their money selling the top tier stuff aftermarket, 3-4x the margins of the large OE contracts.
Like Primoz said, you can sell a thousand products and make $10 off each one, or sell 100 and make $100 off each one. Often the latter is the better choice.
I'm willing to bet TRP makes more $ selling DHR EVO brakes aftermarket than any low end OE stuff.
That's rad. I'm guessing we'll see Strait on with him.
To be realistic, the thing with Zink is not his talent. It's the competition for video plays in his demographic.
He moved to the Southwest to get away from Cali for a better life for his family. Looks to be a great move toward happiness.
But dang...his competition for clicks is guys throwing DarkFest front flips, Semenuk racking up rally wins & breakneck edits and a million other young guns who can hit the ground and still hop up.
Add to that, he loses his shit when someone breaks one of his records.
So about those wheels...
this was posted in the "businesses going under thread" - https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/almost-every-member-of-staff-axed-at…
according to some that are in-the-know, nukeproof and vitus cease to exist with these layoffs (they were still holding on in the UK). if this is true, any rider with "nukeproof" listed in their world cup team name should be asking questions.
I'm picturing one guy alone in an dark cold warehouse putting together the remaining 370 Nukeproof bikes, holding onto that last flicker of hope.
Syndicate on OneUp bars this season. Guess it makes sense with both being owned by PONS.
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