2.4 tires for enduro

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Which is the best 2.4 front tire for dry , loose over hardpack conditions?

continental kriptotal ? Magic Mary ? Kenda pinner ? WTb Vigilante? Vittoria Mazza ? Minion  Dhr ?

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j0lsrud
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2/18/2024 1:19am

Conti Xynotal?

Been running it rear last summer. Compared to Kryptotal it rolls faster, but a little less grip in loose terrain, but on hardpack etc the Xynotal is better.

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TEAMROBOT
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2/18/2024 7:12am

Just a heads up about tire sizing, because you seem to be dead set on getting a 2.4" tire. Not all 2.4" tires are the same size, and the best way to get a sense of the actual size of a tire is the ETRTO listing on the sidewall of the tire. For instance, the old 26" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" had an ETRTO listing of 58mm, but the new 29" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" has a ETRTO listing of 63mm. They're both ostensibly a 2.5" tire, but in reality one is 10% wider. Why? The 2.5" moniker is there for marketing purposes to communicate "what sort of tire it is" (i.e. Enduro, DH, XC, etc) and what sort of buyer it's for. By contrast, the ETRTO listing is the result of a legally-regulated size test by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organization to assure uniformity in measurements and compatibility.

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Just a heads up about tire sizing, because you seem to be dead set on getting a 2.4" tire. Not all 2.4" tires are the same...

Just a heads up about tire sizing, because you seem to be dead set on getting a 2.4" tire. Not all 2.4" tires are the same size, and the best way to get a sense of the actual size of a tire is the ETRTO listing on the sidewall of the tire. For instance, the old 26" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" had an ETRTO listing of 58mm, but the new 29" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" has a ETRTO listing of 63mm. They're both ostensibly a 2.5" tire, but in reality one is 10% wider. Why? The 2.5" moniker is there for marketing purposes to communicate "what sort of tire it is" (i.e. Enduro, DH, XC, etc) and what sort of buyer it's for. By contrast, the ETRTO listing is the result of a legally-regulated size test by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organization to assure uniformity in measurements and compatibility.

I agree with what Charlie says. The width in inches means absolutely nothing.

The way that tire width is measured / specified by the manufacturer is wildly different in between brands.

Some brands like Maxxis, Schwalbe and Pirelli measure tire width at the maximum allowable pressure rating, which is completely unrealistic. That's why a Maxxis tire that says 2.5" on the sidewall is never actually going to be 2.5" wide when installed on a bike with reasonable pressure of 20-30psi. Then there's others like Specialized, who specify the width of their tires on unusually narrow rims (25mm ID). That creates a taller, but narrower profile. That's why a Specialized Butcher in reality will be wider than 2.3" when mounted on a more standard 30mm ID rim.

The only brand of which I know that they specify their mtb tire data at reasonable settings (30mm ID rim, 2bar =  ~28 psi) is Continental.

But it's honestly nothing you should worry about too much. Realistically, a couple milimeters give or take won't make a difference.

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2/18/2024 10:13am

There is no better high performance tire for the front like the michelin dh22. (If you don't care about a few grams.)

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2/18/2024 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 2/18/2024 12:35pm

Mazza Race for dry conditions (got me a 1st place in enduro race so let's call it race proven :D)

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ka81
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2/18/2024 4:19pm

Magic Mary

Kryptotal

Assegai

Mazza

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2/18/2024 4:53pm

I ran the Kendas for a season and a half. I will say the sidewall support (with Tannus) was pretty good, and grip was also competitive. Rolling resistance was ok.

 

However, the wear extremely quickly and pinch flat easily. I struggle to recommend them.  

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2/18/2024 5:33pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Just a heads up about tire sizing, because you seem to be dead set on getting a 2.4" tire. Not all 2.4" tires are the same...

Just a heads up about tire sizing, because you seem to be dead set on getting a 2.4" tire. Not all 2.4" tires are the same size, and the best way to get a sense of the actual size of a tire is the ETRTO listing on the sidewall of the tire. For instance, the old 26" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" had an ETRTO listing of 58mm, but the new 29" Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5" has a ETRTO listing of 63mm. They're both ostensibly a 2.5" tire, but in reality one is 10% wider. Why? The 2.5" moniker is there for marketing purposes to communicate "what sort of tire it is" (i.e. Enduro, DH, XC, etc) and what sort of buyer it's for. By contrast, the ETRTO listing is the result of a legally-regulated size test by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organization to assure uniformity in measurements and compatibility.

FullSend wrote:
I agree with what Charlie says. The width in inches means absolutely nothing. The way that tire width is measured / specified by the manufacturer is...

I agree with what Charlie says. The width in inches means absolutely nothing.

The way that tire width is measured / specified by the manufacturer is wildly different in between brands.

Some brands like Maxxis, Schwalbe and Pirelli measure tire width at the maximum allowable pressure rating, which is completely unrealistic. That's why a Maxxis tire that says 2.5" on the sidewall is never actually going to be 2.5" wide when installed on a bike with reasonable pressure of 20-30psi. Then there's others like Specialized, who specify the width of their tires on unusually narrow rims (25mm ID). That creates a taller, but narrower profile. That's why a Specialized Butcher in reality will be wider than 2.3" when mounted on a more standard 30mm ID rim.

The only brand of which I know that they specify their mtb tire data at reasonable settings (30mm ID rim, 2bar =  ~28 psi) is Continental.

But it's honestly nothing you should worry about too much. Realistically, a couple milimeters give or take won't make a difference.

Yeah, and even from the same manufacturer, the difference can be huge – a good example is Vittoria and their Mazza and Mazza Race where the Race version is 5mm wider while both are the same size. 

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2/18/2024 7:14pm

Downhill casing with the softest compound is my choice. Marketing with Maxxis is nuts but I’m tired of the wobbly/warped casings. Continental Kryptotal has been good so far. 

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2/18/2024 8:15pm

I've had good luck with an Assegai up front, and a Vigilante out back. Wouldn't mind running a Maxxis rear tire, but they've all been pretty slow rolling for anything but shuttle runs IME. Is the Maxterra compound noticeably faster rolling?

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2/18/2024 8:21pm
yzedf wrote:
Downhill casing with the softest compound is my choice. Marketing with Maxxis is nuts but I’m tired of the wobbly/warped casings. Continental Kryptotal has been good...

Downhill casing with the softest compound is my choice. Marketing with Maxxis is nuts but I’m tired of the wobbly/warped casings. Continental Kryptotal has been good so far. 

Agree, lots of people have switched to the new Conti's because of the maxxis warp. I've been surprised that even on my Rootdown in high dust conditions, they hold a line like its on rails where everything else drifts. The kryptotals have become my go to instead of the Assegai/DHR2 combo I used for a while with far less issues. 

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2/18/2024 8:33pm

Maxxis Assegai is one of the most well mannered and forgiving front tyres I've ever tried, including in the conditions you describe, but it's 2.5. Magic Mary equals it when the ground is damp/soft, gets a bit nervous on loose over hard. All of my mates swear by the Michelin Wild Enduro Front in Magi-X. Currently I have a Conti Xynotal as a rear in Enduro Soft and I'm impressed both by the construction quality and the rubber compound. It's softer and grippier than Maxxterra and Addix Soft but wears slower. My mate's Kryptotal R in the same casing and rubber has 700km and looks like it has 300. With this in mind I'd certainly try the Kryptotal F as a front. Assegai clone in terms of knob arrangement, great rubber and construction.  

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2/18/2024 11:53pm

Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the are roots, it's so good. Very forgiving (trade-off for pecision), the soft side knobs work well in off-camber sections and on roots. I'm currently using super soft front and soft rear, both super gravity. Also great rear tire, it initiates the drift very predictably. Will try Tacky Chan/Big Betty next, I hope to get more precision in the front and also more rolling speed. The casing lasts forever, tread wear is good, way better than Maxxis.

2/19/2024 3:17am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2024 3:19am
Milton 26" wrote:
Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the...

Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the are roots, it's so good. Very forgiving (trade-off for pecision), the soft side knobs work well in off-camber sections and on roots. I'm currently using super soft front and soft rear, both super gravity. Also great rear tire, it initiates the drift very predictably. Will try Tacky Chan/Big Betty next, I hope to get more precision in the front and also more rolling speed. The casing lasts forever, tread wear is good, way better than Maxxis.

Magic Mary is better on loose / soft trails, Tacky Chan is better on harder / loose over hard.

I run the TC as a front in the spring/summer and a MM in the fall/winter. 

The TC rolls a touch faster and the side knobs are more supportive. Sounds like TC front and rear would work well for you.

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2/19/2024 5:19am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2024 4:04am
Milton 26" wrote:
Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the...

Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the are roots, it's so good. Very forgiving (trade-off for pecision), the soft side knobs work well in off-camber sections and on roots. I'm currently using super soft front and soft rear, both super gravity. Also great rear tire, it initiates the drift very predictably. Will try Tacky Chan/Big Betty next, I hope to get more precision in the front and also more rolling speed. The casing lasts forever, tread wear is good, way better than Maxxis.

Magic Mary is better on loose / soft trails, Tacky Chan is better on harder / loose over hard. I run the TC as a front...

Magic Mary is better on loose / soft trails, Tacky Chan is better on harder / loose over hard.

I run the TC as a front in the spring/summer and a MM in the fall/winter. 

The TC rolls a touch faster and the side knobs are more supportive. Sounds like TC front and rear would work well for you.

I'm not really concerned with grip, but rather what a tire does when it starts drifting. I'd say MM is somewhere between minion and highroller 2 in terms of slidiness/precision. I would put Big Betty at the more precise/left drifty side than MM, that's why I didn't really like MM&BB combination. MM&Hand Dampf was good, but HD just lacks overall grip, I could do nice back wheel slides however.

Is TC not too grippy on the rear?

2/19/2024 5:23am

You’re all wrong. 
the right answer is always 

minion dhf. 
always. 

no. dhr. just better in every regard, ridden my GM on some of the races he won.

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2/19/2024 6:57am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2024 7:03am

I've been using ethirteen's A/T LG1 EN Mopo for a few years and they worked. Their newer Grappler with Mopo is really nice and I prefer that for the front. Although it looks like the Mopo layer on the A/T tires side knobs are mostly pining for the fjords these days.

Edit: The Grappler is "2.5" but measuring it with a caliper its narrower than the 2.4 A/T Race and about the same width as the 2.4 A/T Mopo.

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2/19/2024 10:25am

Delium Versatile & Rugged... because they just work, at a lower price point. 

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2/19/2024 11:31am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2024 11:34am

I've found it's hard to go wrong with an EXO+ or DD DHRII, but as of late, I've been able to get my hands on a few takeoff 2.5 in Bontrager XR4, SE4, and SE5's for 30-50 CAD through FB and PB buysell. I was willing to risk potentially lower performance to avoid paying120+ cad for warped Maxxass stuff. I ran the XR4 up front for trail and light enduro and found the grip was decent in the 19-22psi range but anything above or below had a noticeable performance dropoff. Had one major hole right through the tread which I plugged, no other issues. I did notice it feels closer to a DHRII than DHF as there is a predictable break point. They also have a surprisingly nice wear rate, after 100-150 km they have nearly no wear. I plan on running the SE4 (heavier casing XR4) up front on a 170/170 rig this season to see if there is a noticeable difference. I'll switch it to the rear and throw the SE5 up front to test against a 2.5 in Assguy. They look pretty similar, the SE5 being maybe a bit more rounded compared to the Assmans squared-off sides. 

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2/20/2024 9:54am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2024 9:55am
Milton 26" wrote:
Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the...

Magic Mary takes some time to get used to if you are coming from something precise like butcher or minion. But when it's soft and the are roots, it's so good. Very forgiving (trade-off for pecision), the soft side knobs work well in off-camber sections and on roots. I'm currently using super soft front and soft rear, both super gravity. Also great rear tire, it initiates the drift very predictably. Will try Tacky Chan/Big Betty next, I hope to get more precision in the front and also more rolling speed. The casing lasts forever, tread wear is good, way better than Maxxis.

Magic Mary is better on loose / soft trails, Tacky Chan is better on harder / loose over hard. I run the TC as a front...

Magic Mary is better on loose / soft trails, Tacky Chan is better on harder / loose over hard.

I run the TC as a front in the spring/summer and a MM in the fall/winter. 

The TC rolls a touch faster and the side knobs are more supportive. Sounds like TC front and rear would work well for you.

Milton 26" wrote:
I'm not really concerned with grip, but rather what a tire does when it starts drifting. I'd say MM is somewhere between minion and highroller 2...

I'm not really concerned with grip, but rather what a tire does when it starts drifting. I'd say MM is somewhere between minion and highroller 2 in terms of slidiness/precision. I would put Big Betty at the more precise/left drifty side than MM, that's why I didn't really like MM&BB combination. MM&Hand Dampf was good, but HD just lacks overall grip, I could do nice back wheel slides however.

Is TC not too grippy on the rear?

I had no issue with a TC having too much grip in the rear, but usually run a faster rolling rear on a trail bike setup. I'll tolerate a drifty rear on the trail bike. 

I prefer the way the TC behaves as it looses traction in a corner. The Magic Mary tends to snap as the side knobs fold and want to tuck the front. The Tacky Chan slides to the outside more gradually and I find it a lot easier to recover. 

A MM with the TC side knobs would be just about perfect year round tire for me. For now MM in winter TC in summer. 

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2/20/2024 9:55am

i ride the tacky chan super gravity and i love it. i had the dhf, assegei etc. in the front...but this tyre is in my point of view the best allrounder in the last 8 years!

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2/20/2024 9:58am

Lots of good tires for your purpose. I've been using the Specialized Cannibal for a couple years now and it's awesome in the dry and works pretty well when it's wet too. Best cornering tire I've used.

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2/20/2024 11:49am

New tire launch from Michelin soon, anyone know what's coming?

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2/20/2024 11:59am
airwreck wrote:

New tire launch from Michelin soon, anyone know what's coming?

They listed some details on the other site in the Core show recaps.  New wild enduro front and rear options.  Hard surface option is a 2.5, new casing design but no real details.  Assuming it's similar to the new E-wild, that they quietly released details on a few weeks ago.  The soft/loose version is a 2.4.  Looks like a scaled down DH22 or Magic Mary.  New rear option, closer to a semi-slick for hardpack days.  Optional gray patch on the side instead of obnoxious yellow.

2/22/2024 10:35am

Anyone ridden the Dissector recently? I ran one for summer 2022, and I had the same experience as most everyone- side lugs ripped off way to quickly. Half of them were gone or almost gone after only 100 miles. 

I was thinking (hoping) that it was a first-run production issue since other Maxxis tires with similar side lugs don't have that issue. Can anyone update with ones purchased more recently? On paper, it looks like a fast-rolling enduro tire with good cornering grip (which it was for me) but wears out unreasonably quickly. 

2/22/2024 10:50am

I've been riding with a pair of 2.6 Dissectors on my hardtail for around 250km, and so far, they still look brand new. However, I must mention that they're not the 3C version. While they offer decent grip on dry or loose terrain, they completely suck on anything else.

I had a 3C MaxxGrip on the back two years ago, but it only lasted about a month.

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2/24/2024 7:39am

Kryptotal rear with cushcore and switch between an argotal and a magic Mary in front depending on wetness

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