Ugly: thanks for the designers
. Some likes it and some not. There are no other altenative than this design to have the anti-dive system 100% efficient.
The DH version will be designed certainly next year and the product available in 2018.
These look cool and seem to be very well designed and engineered. Carbon springs! Wow! I'd love to try a set.
But, as amazing as these might be, they solve a problem that not many people are asking to be solved. I don't care if my Boxxers or Pikes dive. They work well enough and the price is good. All my telescopic forks dive when I brake and I have spent a lifetime learning to ride this way (notice how you automatically lean backwards when you brake). I actually think that dive can help in certain situations as it has the effect of steepening the head angle for tighter turns.
There have been leading link forks available but they didn't really sell in any great numbers. The big manufacturers make lots of money selling spares (seals, oil, bushings, parts) so switching to a maintenance free solution is not in their interest.
I have a mate who bought a BMW GS. He said it took him thousands of miles to get used to the Telelink suspension and it still catches him out when he hasn't ridden the bike for a while. You have to put a lot of trust in the front end of a bike when braking, so changing how this works and feels might not be for everyone.
However, good on you for doing it. I hope you meet your goal!
1. Regarding anti-dive technology, I would say:
Who does not want to have a safer ride?
Who does not want to go quicker?
Who does not want to push away its limits?
This is what you will get keeping 100% of your travel in all situations.
2. Big manufacturers make lots of money selling spares and this is perfectly true. At the end, for the riders, if you do the maintenance frequently, the price of your fork is doubled.
Furthermore, after few rides, your telescopic fork is not as efficient as the first day. I can tell you that the composite blades behaviour will remain the same as the first day.
3. Riding with a Motion France fork is the natural way. This habit to go with the dive of your fork has to be changed this is true. But some of our riders, 2 weeks after they have started to ride with have achieve better performances in races like the Roc d'Azur for example so I would say that you need maximum hundreds kilometers to get used.
I hope that this answer to your comments. It will be a great pleasure to say more about this technology jewel.
Are there any ride control adjustments to adjust the rate of travel and rebound? or are they just springs with no damping?
Check out the little link at the top, just under the steer tube. The damping is all contained inside the steer tube and is adjustable on the fly from the top. It's shown in the video.
A hydraulic cartridge is installed and protected inside the pivot
o Rebound is adjusted by a wheel on the top of the pivot offering an easy access during the ride.
o At the same place, a button allows to lock or unlock the suspension.
The fork travel can be changed within a range of 40 mm just by changing blades. No tools needed. Depending on the chassis, Motion forks offer 100 to 170mm travel.
Very interesting fork. But a few things make's me a bit sceptic on this so called Trail version.
Not many forks today comes with lockout. Most trail riders seems to prefere low speed compression adjustment and som forks even comes with adjustable progressivity of the compression dampening (DVO Diamond) And more shocks are getting adjustment on bot low and high speed on both compression and rebound.
Personal I liked the ETA lock-down like Marzocchi used to offer. It lowered the front end for better weight distribution and quicker steering for steep climbing. But I would never buy a fork again that have lockout as I'm just not interested in riding with a stiff fork.
Put an adjustable Oleo type dampening cartridge in it as Nitro Shox are working on and I will be very interested in trying it.
Is there any grafic explanaition on how the forces are working to counter brake dive?
I have had no problem in understanding how the Telelever Motorcycle fork used by BMW works and why. But I really struggle with understand how brake dive are countered on this fork and how it can have zero brake dive? And "100% of travel is retained for shock absorption under all circumstances"???
Is there any grafic explanaition on how the forces are working to counter brake dive?
I have had no problem in understanding how the Telelever Motorcycle...
Is there any grafic explanaition on how the forces are working to counter brake dive?
I have had no problem in understanding how the Telelever Motorcycle fork used by BMW works and why. But I really struggle with understand how brake dive are countered on this fork and how it can have zero brake dive? And "100% of travel is retained for shock absorption under all circumstances"???
Just look at it. On traditional forks the lower legs are fixed so the upper part needs to go down which forces the rest including the rider to go down. On this fork it's the other way around. The lower part go up according to the surface, but because of the linkage system, the forces stop there, leaving the top of the bike including rider, "as is".
Just look at it. On traditional forks the lower legs are fixed so the upper part needs to go down which forces the rest including the...
Just look at it. On traditional forks the lower legs are fixed so the upper part needs to go down which forces the rest including the rider to go down. On this fork it's the other way around. The lower part go up according to the surface, but because of the linkage system, the forces stop there, leaving the top of the bike including rider, "as is".
You are correct in what it does, and that is easy to understand since the fork is all about lack of brake induced dive.
I was struggling to understand WHY it does not dive, and this photo sequence made it clear to me.
The rearward rotational movement of the brake caliper when compressing the fork, is when braking, countered by the forward rotation of the brake disc.
"Balancing out" the brake dive force.
My only real concern with this fork is the significantly rearward axle path. I wonder if it was deliberately chosen or is a product of the anti-dive geometry (I suspect the latter). It looks like it could be unsettling, but I still want to ride it and see for myself.
The DH version will be designed certainly next year and the product available in 2018.
But, as amazing as these might be, they solve a problem that not many people are asking to be solved. I don't care if my Boxxers or Pikes dive. They work well enough and the price is good. All my telescopic forks dive when I brake and I have spent a lifetime learning to ride this way (notice how you automatically lean backwards when you brake). I actually think that dive can help in certain situations as it has the effect of steepening the head angle for tighter turns.
There have been leading link forks available but they didn't really sell in any great numbers. The big manufacturers make lots of money selling spares (seals, oil, bushings, parts) so switching to a maintenance free solution is not in their interest.
I have a mate who bought a BMW GS. He said it took him thousands of miles to get used to the Telelink suspension and it still catches him out when he hasn't ridden the bike for a while. You have to put a lot of trust in the front end of a bike when braking, so changing how this works and feels might not be for everyone.
However, good on you for doing it. I hope you meet your goal!
1. Regarding anti-dive technology, I would say:
Who does not want to have a safer ride?
Who does not want to go quicker?
Who does not want to push away its limits?
This is what you will get keeping 100% of your travel in all situations.
2. Big manufacturers make lots of money selling spares and this is perfectly true. At the end, for the riders, if you do the maintenance frequently, the price of your fork is doubled.
Furthermore, after few rides, your telescopic fork is not as efficient as the first day. I can tell you that the composite blades behaviour will remain the same as the first day.
3. Riding with a Motion France fork is the natural way. This habit to go with the dive of your fork has to be changed this is true. But some of our riders, 2 weeks after they have started to ride with have achieve better performances in races like the Roc d'Azur for example so I would say that you need maximum hundreds kilometers to get used.
I hope that this answer to your comments. It will be a great pleasure to say more about this technology jewel.
o Rebound is adjusted by a wheel on the top of the pivot offering an easy access during the ride.
o At the same place, a button allows to lock or unlock the suspension.
The fork travel can be changed within a range of 40 mm just by changing blades. No tools needed. Depending on the chassis, Motion forks offer 100 to 170mm travel.
Not many forks today comes with lockout. Most trail riders seems to prefere low speed compression adjustment and som forks even comes with adjustable progressivity of the compression dampening (DVO Diamond) And more shocks are getting adjustment on bot low and high speed on both compression and rebound.
Personal I liked the ETA lock-down like Marzocchi used to offer. It lowered the front end for better weight distribution and quicker steering for steep climbing. But I would never buy a fork again that have lockout as I'm just not interested in riding with a stiff fork.
Put an adjustable Oleo type dampening cartridge in it as Nitro Shox are working on and I will be very interested in trying it.
I have had no problem in understanding how the Telelever Motorcycle fork used by BMW works and why. But I really struggle with understand how brake dive are countered on this fork and how it can have zero brake dive? And "100% of travel is retained for shock absorption under all circumstances"???
I was struggling to understand WHY it does not dive, and this photo sequence made it clear to me.
The rearward rotational movement of the brake caliper when compressing the fork, is when braking, countered by the forward rotation of the brake disc.
"Balancing out" the brake dive force.
http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/motion-france-trail-series-fo…
I really hope I will get to test ride this fork in the near future. But now struggle to see how ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YUTnh0b2s&t=19s
They have also posted an Enduro video very cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I76Uv6jRXwE&t=7s
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