I guess I'm glad I'm stuck at work and couldn't stream it via espn+; or maybe I should call it espn-. ESPN 480: the n-ocho. Sorry, been a long day already.
So are the YouTube and espn stream the same program and announcers, but one has more paid promotions during the down time?
@brimmergj - streams are the same. espn player doesn't have quality options, stuck with what they'll send. i have plenty of internet to get better stream (as shown by youtube stream)
Thanks for the update @sspomer . I figured as much. At least it's the same announcer and not some clueless sport's dude talking.
A bit bummed to read the news about the seconds runs, but understandable. 1 run is still pretty damn heavy. Glad the riders made it safely and that Kyle is doing well, post-surgery.
wow so that's it? Looked like the wind was dying down around 3:30mst...I swear I've seen dudes hit their runs in considerably more winded conditions...but who am I to know any better.
Tyle McCaul was on a 1st place run...was most excited to see him trim the fat on that second run and fucking STOMP Gee's gap...
This was a RAW as fuck Rampage course wise...Zink was also potentially going to take a top three had he completed a second run (favorite rider).
Why can't they just run this event tomorrow morning, better yet why the FUCK didn't they start filming this event @8am (vs10:30) when we know wind is an issue every. single. year.
RedBull playing games as always trying to run production as if it were baseball/football/snow sporting events. Weak
agreed @chamaedorea.elegans - why they didn't start earlier? i can see the 2nd day being a massive expense, but considering all that went into it already, let 'em run, even if not live?
had some fun with the post-event write-up here for anyone who cares.
"Lots of frustration with this bobble towards the end of my first run that didn’t allow me to hit the last feature and get a clean one top to bottom. I wanted a second run really, really badly. I ran back up to the top ready to get redemption and when I got up there I was told there was a 30-45 minute TV break. We knew the wind was coming and I knew our window of good weather was shrinking with every minute that went by. I was pissed to be stalled out like that when I was ready to ride. I felt like it was more about the TV show and less about the riders and their riding.
I’m sure it’s great for the viewers to see all the behind the scenes stuff and augmented reality line previews before we drop in…but while the viewers are at home watching all that filler, we’re sitting at the top anxious to drop in while watching the winds pick up. Once TV was ready for us to drop for our second runs the wind had arrived, and none of us had a chance to get a second run.
I’m sorry to all the viewers that were tuned in to watch us ride. I was in the exact position I didn’t want to be in sitting at the top with everyone watching, trying to decide whether or not it was worth dropping in to battle the winds for a chance to get my run. I was up there with some of my best friends and they all told me they didn’t wanna see me drop in the wind. I knew they were right but it was a tough pill to swallow.
As viewers…would you rather watch a shortened less elaborate production, or would you rather watch us ride to our full potential in the safest conditions possible??? I’m probably going to get an earful for being so transparent about this, but it’s how I feel…and I feel strongly about it.
Massive respect to all the riders that stomped their first runs and put on such a good show. In the end it’s my fault for making a mistake in my first run, but I as well as others would have loved to have had a second chance.
Healing vibes to my big buddy @kylestrait. We missed ya out there yesterday. You’re a beast and I respect the hell out of you for what you’ve done and will continue to do for our sport ❤️" - Tyler McCaul
I do think Rampage as it is now is really bad. It is a show that is not enjoyable to watch. The commentators are bad and the show mediocre.
Here are some refections:
it is a very elite group of people who do perform. I think it would be better to let everyone ride who wants to.
Juging should be transparent.
Silly was when the juges were eating Pizza while juging. What was that? Did they not have the time to wait till the break. Is it a statement like we do not even care about all this juging? I don't know but it was wrong
The ecological footprint is a desaster.
If this is the result of 8 days work (the equivalent of two WC) it is just ridiculous. Maybe they should cancel the dig crews. All the work for not much (probably not even any $). That will result in a simpler event and pure riding. Not some kind of real life version of Moro cross maniacs.
This event basicaly shows that freeride is dead. If we make a crapy show for the sake of a crapy show MTB totally lost the perspective of what this really is. It is basicaly stuntriding for very skilled riders who really deserve better than this.
In that perspective I can not understand how the juging works. 3 riders are amazing and all others are just mediocre? I do not think so. There is much talent out there.
I can not understand how this should positively inspire new riders. The few that survive the learning curve will probably not be selected anyway as they are not friends with the happy few. No one outside of the states will ever be able to bring a dig crew with them. I know some managed to do it but look at the flags. Only americans and canadians.
I do not like this selfsufficient show altough I am the biggeat fan of MTB. I think it is not about the riding.
I recon it is a nice ad for Utah but is it really worth it?
I really think this show is the only exposure for some of the dudes out there. That may be the only reason they risk their life year after year. If they would be able to look into their wifes faces when they drop in they would probably not do it. But some rely on the $ and need the exposure.
So while I was watching it live from the Philippines 1230am on the 22nd, I tried to watch on my lap top using safari on RedBullTV.com rhe picture quality sucked I figured it was just terrible internet available here in this country so I fired up the iPad and was watching on the RedBullTV app and it was ok not great but better as time went forward the picture quality improved so I started up the laptop again and now I find out that the app was running behind by 2-3 minutes vs the .com site so the app I thought was live it was delayed to try to improve picture quality I'm guessing but it was different by a large amount.
But, I came into it remembering how terrible the judging has always been, so had no expectations.
And, being in europe it was free on youtube. I was actually quite busy during the live feed, so ended up just skipping to the runs of each rider and not looking at the scores, run arrow simulations etc. Was great, all the runs were epic, and no huge crashes on camera this year (Gutted for K.S.). My top 3 favourite runs were the podium finishers.
Sure we could improve but it is always the same cristicism every year:
Like in WC DH with the womens race: have the first runs occur in the morning (or even day before), package that into an hour of TV. Then play that as the riders are getting ready and only have the second runs be live. Surely this would make things easier on everyone (riders and video crew), especially concerning the yearly wind delay/cancellations.
Judging should be more transparent, and definitely judges votes should be independent. I'd love to see the line scored for difficulty ahead of the run, like they do in some other judged sports (I think gymnastics and diving for e.g.). So as the rider starts you have their 50 points for technicity and amplitude already up on screen, and they are judged live for their style and tricks.
Would 100% prefer if this was scored via a video segment: you get x days to build and record segments, video has be released on the last day and is rated by judges and audience. Kind of like a real-mtb but much more constrained as they all get the same resources.
This year felt different. Maybe it was Kyle's crash somewhat sobering the mood. Maybe it was Sal talking in a bored voice while riders were pulling ridicules moves. Riding was amazing of course, but some of the runs seemed like they might have been safety runs as a first run. It was amazing, I'm not saying it was worse than prior years, just different. All but T-mac had a complete run in the first runs, and no crashes in runs (which I am very pleased about). Is that a first? Huge bummer for T-mac and some others that didn't have the cleanest of runs. It really should start earlier or something. Idk, maybe rampage has blown my mind so many times in the past that this year's incredible riding has been normalized or something.
Genuine question: Are there good reasons not to start earlier to avoid wind? Does morning light make things too challenging for the cameramen? Onsite fans unable to get to venue early enough?
Great comments from TMac. I'd be livid. You have to put the riders first when you are dealing with mother nature and the consequences are this high. You have to have an agile enough production to go "we were going to do ____ but now we are going to do ____"
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Rampage to me (a freeride "outsider") feels pretty indistinguishable from the year(s) prior. Its all so unrelatable to me, and the judging seems so...weird. I struggle to get into it the way I can get into a WC race (or season).
Not trying to discount the riders who do amazing things, just saying there is a feeling of ALL THINGS EXTREME!!! right on down to the fact (somehow) Sal Masekela (makes me feel 15 all over again lol) is involved I just kind of go "meh".
I setup the VPN thing. Watched a few runs. Then got back to work. Does this mean I'm dead inside?
Great comments from TMac. I'd be livid. You have to put the riders first when you are dealing with mother nature and the consequences are this...
Great comments from TMac. I'd be livid. You have to put the riders first when you are dealing with mother nature and the consequences are this high. You have to have an agile enough production to go "we were going to do ____ but now we are going to do ____"
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Rampage to me (a freeride "outsider") feels pretty indistinguishable from the year(s) prior. Its all so unrelatable to me, and the judging seems so...weird. I struggle to get into it the way I can get into a WC race (or season).
Not trying to discount the riders who do amazing things, just saying there is a feeling of ALL THINGS EXTREME!!! right on down to the fact (somehow) Sal Masekela (makes me feel 15 all over again lol) is involved I just kind of go "meh".
I setup the VPN thing. Watched a few runs. Then got back to work. Does this mean I'm dead inside?
I already have ESPN+ to watch college football and F1, so I didn't have to pay anything to watch Rampage. However, if I did have to pay, even $9.99, I would have been a little pissed. I too am questioning if I'm dead inside because I thought this years rampage, and to some extent the last few Rampages were underwhelming. I also don't want to discount what the riders are doing and that for most of them, this is their "Superbowl" and the pinnacle of their riding careers. I watched 5-6 runs then turned it off and returned to work. It just wasn't doing anything for me, the runs seemed short and lacked a lot of highlight moments like Zink's Icon drop from years ago and McGazza's Huge backflip canyon gap. As someone who used to have posters and magazine clip-outs all over my walls from the first few Rampages, I feel like I'm "over" Rampage.
Maybe WC racing and coverage have become so good that it's overshadowing Rampage. Perhaps the saturation of "edits" and videos we get on Instagram, PB, and Vital throughout the year dilutes the spectacle of Rampage. Maybe, I'm just dead inside...
I thought it was hilarious that they put mics on riders. Maybe they thought riders would... self-commentate?
Riders in these situations are just going to be focus-breathing. Nothing else.
To me, this was a symptom of what I think many are feeling in this thread: the over-production of Rampage. It felt to me like an event governed by the whims of executives who want to maximize viewer numbers, not a rider-focused event. It's most likely cynicism and confirmation bias, but I do genuinely feel like this Rampage eschewed the wants and needs of riders in favour of ad placements and highlight reels.
I would be curious to see what riders would do to Rampage if they could choose how it worked. I imagine most would prefer a new venue every year but with slightly more build time. Some adjustments or clarifications to the judging. More flexibility of when you drop in (a surf-style priority system would be interesting). etc.
I'm happy to see that I am sharing lots of what has been already said... I love rampage, its core, what it means for the riders, but I still felt a bit underwhelmed. If I think about it, it's been few years that the rampage feels like it maybe lacks the sketchiness of the old days... Before crucifying me, note the "it feels", as in no way I am under appreciating the gnarliness of all the lines and all the things the riders/diggers have thrown into the event. But yeah, looks more tamed, more "speedy" meaning the runs feel shorter, etc...
Maybe it's time to change completely the format, completely new venue, new process of judging the lines or at least demonstrate in details what the judges are seeing/noting,... A fresh new start in other words.
In future could the not show it with a 30-60 minute delay to take into account editing, rider profiles, delays for wind/crashes/etc? That way they would have more flexibility to get the second run in if it’s going to get windy?
they don’t have to announce the winner until the end so there wouldn’t be a spoiler vis social media.
on espn+ getting 2 mins of commercials while youtube is showing athletes, host discussions, crowd shots etc. #fail
That sucks..
#andreugotrobbed
so on youtube, rheeder's run gets replayed and analyzed while on espn, it's commercials LOL.
I guess I'm glad I'm stuck at work and couldn't stream it via espn+; or maybe I should call it espn-. ESPN 480: the n-ocho. Sorry, been a long day already.
So are the YouTube and espn stream the same program and announcers, but one has more paid promotions during the down time?
@brimmergj - streams are the same. espn player doesn't have quality options, stuck with what they'll send. i have plenty of internet to get better stream (as shown by youtube stream)
Just kidding - #godziekgotrobbed
Worst Rampage I can remember. Andreu getting robbed but of course because there is always one.
ESPN+ was terrible just commercials and bad quality.
I want my $9.99 back.
Thanks for the update @sspomer . I figured as much. At least it's the same announcer and not some clueless sport's dude talking.
A bit bummed to read the news about the seconds runs, but understandable. 1 run is still pretty damn heavy. Glad the riders made it safely and that Kyle is doing well, post-surgery.
wow so that's it? Looked like the wind was dying down around 3:30mst...I swear I've seen dudes hit their runs in considerably more winded conditions...but who am I to know any better.
Tyle McCaul was on a 1st place run...was most excited to see him trim the fat on that second run and fucking STOMP Gee's gap...
This was a RAW as fuck Rampage course wise...Zink was also potentially going to take a top three had he completed a second run (favorite rider).
Why can't they just run this event tomorrow morning, better yet why the FUCK didn't they start filming this event @8am (vs10:30) when we know wind is an issue every. single. year.
RedBull playing games as always trying to run production as if it were baseball/football/snow sporting events. Weak
agreed @chamaedorea.elegans - why they didn't start earlier? i can see the 2nd day being a massive expense, but considering all that went into it already, let 'em run, even if not live?
had some fun with the post-event write-up here for anyone who cares.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/2022-red-bull-rampage-results-and-re…
yeah that was a bit meh. I think Godziek and Rheeder were a flip of a coin, but Andreau got robbed hard. That was Wild AF.
Did Stark do the crank grind? There was a rail but not sure if the he didn't do it or the camera missed it.
Wow a blast from the past seeing that name.
One thing I’ve always wondered about Rampage. Do riders hike to the top or is some behind the scenes magic getting them up there?
Had no idea Stark pulled off a grind to drop. On the RedBull TV replay it's basically invisible. That's gnarly as hell.
They hike (and someone carries their bike).
T-MAC saying what so many of us are thinking:
"Lots of frustration with this bobble towards the end of my first run that didn’t allow me to hit the last feature and get a clean one top to bottom. I wanted a second run really, really badly. I ran back up to the top ready to get redemption and when I got up there I was told there was a 30-45 minute TV break. We knew the wind was coming and I knew our window of good weather was shrinking with every minute that went by. I was pissed to be stalled out like that when I was ready to ride. I felt like it was more about the TV show and less about the riders and their riding.
I’m sure it’s great for the viewers to see all the behind the scenes stuff and augmented reality line previews before we drop in…but while the viewers are at home watching all that filler, we’re sitting at the top anxious to drop in while watching the winds pick up. Once TV was ready for us to drop for our second runs the wind had arrived, and none of us had a chance to get a second run.
I’m sorry to all the viewers that were tuned in to watch us ride. I was in the exact position I didn’t want to be in sitting at the top with everyone watching, trying to decide whether or not it was worth dropping in to battle the winds for a chance to get my run. I was up there with some of my best friends and they all told me they didn’t wanna see me drop in the wind. I knew they were right but it was a tough pill to swallow.
As viewers…would you rather watch a shortened less elaborate production, or would you rather watch us ride to our full potential in the safest conditions possible??? I’m probably going to get an earful for being so transparent about this, but it’s how I feel…and I feel strongly about it.
Massive respect to all the riders that stomped their first runs and put on such a good show. In the end it’s my fault for making a mistake in my first run, but I as well as others would have loved to have had a second chance.
Healing vibes to my big buddy @kylestrait. We missed ya out there yesterday. You’re a beast and I respect the hell out of you for what you’ve done and will continue to do for our sport ❤️" - Tyler McCaul
Disney sucks. I downloaded a free VPN and had enough free data to watch the whole stream.
If I had paid any amount of money for the blurry trash can of a stream that Disney put up, I’d be furious.
Especially after the outdoor moto nationals streaming issues, they absolutely robbed people for 4 months.
Hello,
I do think Rampage as it is now is really bad. It is a show that is not enjoyable to watch. The commentators are bad and the show mediocre.
Here are some refections:
it is a very elite group of people who do perform. I think it would be better to let everyone ride who wants to.
Juging should be transparent.
Silly was when the juges were eating Pizza while juging. What was that? Did they not have the time to wait till the break. Is it a statement like we do not even care about all this juging? I don't know but it was wrong
The ecological footprint is a desaster.
If this is the result of 8 days work (the equivalent of two WC) it is just ridiculous. Maybe they should cancel the dig crews. All the work for not much (probably not even any $). That will result in a simpler event and pure riding. Not some kind of real life version of Moro cross maniacs.
This event basicaly shows that freeride is dead. If we make a crapy show for the sake of a crapy show MTB totally lost the perspective of what this really is. It is basicaly stuntriding for very skilled riders who really deserve better than this.
In that perspective I can not understand how the juging works. 3 riders are amazing and all others are just mediocre? I do not think so. There is much talent out there.
I can not understand how this should positively inspire new riders. The few that survive the learning curve will probably not be selected anyway as they are not friends with the happy few. No one outside of the states will ever be able to bring a dig crew with them. I know some managed to do it but look at the flags. Only americans and canadians.
I do not like this selfsufficient show altough I am the biggeat fan of MTB. I think it is not about the riding.
I recon it is a nice ad for Utah but is it really worth it?
I really think this show is the only exposure for some of the dudes out there. That may be the only reason they risk their life year after year. If they would be able to look into their wifes faces when they drop in they would probably not do it. But some rely on the $ and need the exposure.
I big shout out to Kyle. Heal up fast and quick!
So while I was watching it live from the Philippines 1230am on the 22nd, I tried to watch on my lap top using safari on RedBullTV.com rhe picture quality sucked I figured it was just terrible internet available here in this country so I fired up the iPad and was watching on the RedBullTV app and it was ok not great but better as time went forward the picture quality improved so I started up the laptop again and now I find out that the app was running behind by 2-3 minutes vs the .com site so the app I thought was live it was delayed to try to improve picture quality I'm guessing but it was different by a large amount.
I thought it was sick, really liked it.
But, I came into it remembering how terrible the judging has always been, so had no expectations.
And, being in europe it was free on youtube. I was actually quite busy during the live feed, so ended up just skipping to the runs of each rider and not looking at the scores, run arrow simulations etc. Was great, all the runs were epic, and no huge crashes on camera this year (Gutted for K.S.). My top 3 favourite runs were the podium finishers.
Sure we could improve but it is always the same cristicism every year:
Like in WC DH with the womens race: have the first runs occur in the morning (or even day before), package that into an hour of TV. Then play that as the riders are getting ready and only have the second runs be live. Surely this would make things easier on everyone (riders and video crew), especially concerning the yearly wind delay/cancellations.
Judging should be more transparent, and definitely judges votes should be independent. I'd love to see the line scored for difficulty ahead of the run, like they do in some other judged sports (I think gymnastics and diving for e.g.). So as the rider starts you have their 50 points for technicity and amplitude already up on screen, and they are judged live for their style and tricks.
Would 100% prefer if this was scored via a video segment: you get x days to build and record segments, video has be released on the last day and is rated by judges and audience. Kind of like a real-mtb but much more constrained as they all get the same resources.
This year felt different. Maybe it was Kyle's crash somewhat sobering the mood. Maybe it was Sal talking in a bored voice while riders were pulling ridicules moves. Riding was amazing of course, but some of the runs seemed like they might have been safety runs as a first run. It was amazing, I'm not saying it was worse than prior years, just different. All but T-mac had a complete run in the first runs, and no crashes in runs (which I am very pleased about). Is that a first? Huge bummer for T-mac and some others that didn't have the cleanest of runs. It really should start earlier or something. Idk, maybe rampage has blown my mind so many times in the past that this year's incredible riding has been normalized or something.
Genuine question: Are there good reasons not to start earlier to avoid wind? Does morning light make things too challenging for the cameramen? Onsite fans unable to get to venue early enough?
Great comments from TMac. I'd be livid. You have to put the riders first when you are dealing with mother nature and the consequences are this high. You have to have an agile enough production to go "we were going to do ____ but now we are going to do ____"
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Rampage to me (a freeride "outsider") feels pretty indistinguishable from the year(s) prior. Its all so unrelatable to me, and the judging seems so...weird. I struggle to get into it the way I can get into a WC race (or season).
Not trying to discount the riders who do amazing things, just saying there is a feeling of ALL THINGS EXTREME!!! right on down to the fact (somehow) Sal Masekela (makes me feel 15 all over again lol) is involved I just kind of go "meh".
I setup the VPN thing. Watched a few runs. Then got back to work. Does this mean I'm dead inside?
I already have ESPN+ to watch college football and F1, so I didn't have to pay anything to watch Rampage. However, if I did have to pay, even $9.99, I would have been a little pissed. I too am questioning if I'm dead inside because I thought this years rampage, and to some extent the last few Rampages were underwhelming. I also don't want to discount what the riders are doing and that for most of them, this is their "Superbowl" and the pinnacle of their riding careers. I watched 5-6 runs then turned it off and returned to work. It just wasn't doing anything for me, the runs seemed short and lacked a lot of highlight moments like Zink's Icon drop from years ago and McGazza's Huge backflip canyon gap. As someone who used to have posters and magazine clip-outs all over my walls from the first few Rampages, I feel like I'm "over" Rampage.
Maybe WC racing and coverage have become so good that it's overshadowing Rampage. Perhaps the saturation of "edits" and videos we get on Instagram, PB, and Vital throughout the year dilutes the spectacle of Rampage. Maybe, I'm just dead inside...
I thought it was hilarious that they put mics on riders. Maybe they thought riders would... self-commentate?
Riders in these situations are just going to be focus-breathing. Nothing else.
To me, this was a symptom of what I think many are feeling in this thread: the over-production of Rampage. It felt to me like an event governed by the whims of executives who want to maximize viewer numbers, not a rider-focused event. It's most likely cynicism and confirmation bias, but I do genuinely feel like this Rampage eschewed the wants and needs of riders in favour of ad placements and highlight reels.
I would be curious to see what riders would do to Rampage if they could choose how it worked. I imagine most would prefer a new venue every year but with slightly more build time. Some adjustments or clarifications to the judging. More flexibility of when you drop in (a surf-style priority system would be interesting). etc.
I'm happy to see that I am sharing lots of what has been already said... I love rampage, its core, what it means for the riders, but I still felt a bit underwhelmed. If I think about it, it's been few years that the rampage feels like it maybe lacks the sketchiness of the old days... Before crucifying me, note the "it feels", as in no way I am under appreciating the gnarliness of all the lines and all the things the riders/diggers have thrown into the event. But yeah, looks more tamed, more "speedy" meaning the runs feel shorter, etc...
Maybe it's time to change completely the format, completely new venue, new process of judging the lines or at least demonstrate in details what the judges are seeing/noting,... A fresh new start in other words.
In future could the not show it with a 30-60 minute delay to take into account editing, rider profiles, delays for wind/crashes/etc? That way they would have more flexibility to get the second run in if it’s going to get windy?
they don’t have to announce the winner until the end so there wouldn’t be a spoiler vis social media.
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