I wonder how much of a gain a 6bar layout is actually compared to how much more complicated it is to design and make...
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane 4 bar work at the highest levels of the sport, so…🤷🏽♂️
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane...
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane 4 bar work at the highest levels of the sport, so…🤷🏽♂️
Need to get on that one still, but I'll get there. It'll probably jump the queue drastically given your comment.
Im not really sure how to evaluate a 6bar without doing a shit ton of work and trying out concepts. I'm guessing there are possible advantages with characteristics moving into a given direction through the travel that isn't possible with a 4 bar (kinda like with a single pivot vs. 4 bar), but the complexity of a 6 bar and the possibilities to tweak things is just insane.
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race bike and as such it's 29er only. It's as the name suggests 160 mm of travel in the rear, paired to 170mm forks.
There will be 5 frame sizes (S to XXL).
Reach grows across the board by 5mm compared to to the SB150, plus the addition of an XXL size. Reach ranges from 435 to 525 mm, so there's now finally a size for people over 6'.
Head tube angle and effective seat tube angle are both on the conservative side of things, with the former sitting at 64° and the latter at 77°.
The rear center grows incrementally with each frame size, but unfortunately the rear center is quite short still, ranging between 437 and 445 mm.
Interestingly, the frame features very little BB drop, with the BB sitting at a tall 353 mm.
Although none of the above will probably matter as the prices, as you can probably imagine, are completely and utterly off the charts and therefor I'd be very surprised if anyone at all actually buys this bike. The prices I've seen actually make me wonder if the people at Yeti have finally lost their marbles.
Those look a bit familiar comparing them to the Trickstuff brakes. But after all the Picola and Diretissima were done while Cornelius was working for Trickstuff.
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race...
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race bike and as such it's 29er only. It's as the name suggests 160 mm of travel in the rear, paired to 170mm forks.
There will be 5 frame sizes (S to XXL).
Reach grows across the board by 5mm compared to to the SB150, plus the addition of an XXL size. Reach ranges from 435 to 525 mm, so there's now finally a size for people over 6'.
Head tube angle and effective seat tube angle are both on the conservative side of things, with the former sitting at 64° and the latter at 77°.
The rear center grows incrementally with each frame size, but unfortunately the rear center is quite short still, ranging between 437 and 445 mm.
Interestingly, the frame features very little BB drop, with the BB sitting at a tall 353 mm.
Although none of the above will probably matter as the prices, as you can probably imagine, are completely and utterly off the charts and therefor I'd be very surprised if anyone at all actually buys this bike. The prices I've seen actually make me wonder if the people at Yeti have finally lost their marbles.
Addendum:
It looks like the new SB160 will feature a revised version of the Switch Infinity suspension and not the 6-bar system found on Yeti's e-bike.
Not 100% sure though. The only thing I can say for certain is that Yeti also has a new Switch Infinity bike that will be released soon, but that could be another model entirely and not the SB160.
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race...
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race bike and as such it's 29er only. It's as the name suggests 160 mm of travel in the rear, paired to 170mm forks.
There will be 5 frame sizes (S to XXL).
Reach grows across the board by 5mm compared to to the SB150, plus the addition of an XXL size. Reach ranges from 435 to 525 mm, so there's now finally a size for people over 6'.
Head tube angle and effective seat tube angle are both on the conservative side of things, with the former sitting at 64° and the latter at 77°.
The rear center grows incrementally with each frame size, but unfortunately the rear center is quite short still, ranging between 437 and 445 mm.
Interestingly, the frame features very little BB drop, with the BB sitting at a tall 353 mm.
Although none of the above will probably matter as the prices, as you can probably imagine, are completely and utterly off the charts and therefor I'd be very surprised if anyone at all actually buys this bike. The prices I've seen actually make me wonder if the people at Yeti have finally lost their marbles.
Addendum:
It looks like the new SB160 will feature a revised version of the Switch Infinity suspension and not the 6-bar system found on Yeti's e-bike...
Addendum:
It looks like the new SB160 will feature a revised version of the Switch Infinity suspension and not the 6-bar system found on Yeti's e-bike.
Not 100% sure though. The only thing I can say for certain is that Yeti also has a new Switch Infinity bike that will be released soon, but that could be another model entirely and not the SB160.
new yeti enduro has been posted here couple of times, looks very similar to the sb150.
BTW, those bar hugging Sram brake levers... Is there enough space to mount 3rd party shifters and dropper remotes next to them and have a decent range of adjustability?
EDIT: ah, pointed that out in the original post already... Ignore me.
Forcing people to ride matched brakes and drivetrain is a bad move...
Those look a bit familiar comparing them to the Trickstuff brakes. But after all the Picola and Diretissima were done while Cornelius was working for Trickstuff.
At this rate those will be available before Trickstuff gets their web store back online, it's going on 10 months now since they started their migration to a new system...
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race...
The new Yeti SB160 is going to be released the next couple of days.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race bike and as such it's 29er only. It's as the name suggests 160 mm of travel in the rear, paired to 170mm forks.
There will be 5 frame sizes (S to XXL).
Reach grows across the board by 5mm compared to to the SB150, plus the addition of an XXL size. Reach ranges from 435 to 525 mm, so there's now finally a size for people over 6'.
Head tube angle and effective seat tube angle are both on the conservative side of things, with the former sitting at 64° and the latter at 77°.
The rear center grows incrementally with each frame size, but unfortunately the rear center is quite short still, ranging between 437 and 445 mm.
Interestingly, the frame features very little BB drop, with the BB sitting at a tall 353 mm.
Although none of the above will probably matter as the prices, as you can probably imagine, are completely and utterly off the charts and therefor I'd be very surprised if anyone at all actually buys this bike. The prices I've seen actually make me wonder if the people at Yeti have finally lost their marbles.
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else?
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else?
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite...
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.
Hi Thomas,
I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft, seals, bearing asm and updated the body to a MY23 Kashima body. Does this sound like the part you are talking about that is supposed to fix the issue?
Also was just looking at the rampage bike check stuff on the other site, and noticed what look like custom (maybe proto?) crowns on jaxson riddle's TR11
not sure if anyone noticed on any of the previous pics of the alloy TR11, but the adjustable dropouts weren't present on the carbon version iirc
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite...
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.
Hi Thomas,
I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft...
Hi Thomas,
I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft, seals, bearing asm and updated the body to a MY23 Kashima body. Does this sound like the part you are talking about that is supposed to fix the issue?
Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them, but more than you'd expect for what's supposed to be a premium product from a market-leading company.
Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them...
Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them, but more than you'd expect for what's supposed to be a premium product from a market-leading company.
For some reasons Fox is so over hyped and despite this massive issue just showing how poor those products are, people keep on believing Fox is hot stuff. I think in the US that prices are similar to RS in which case, yeah that's where it belong, but here in France Fox stuff is probably 30% more expensive that RS and it certainly doesn't work any better, worse in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTd9SI72l6k
Im not really sure how to evaluate a 6bar without doing a shit ton of work and trying out concepts. I'm guessing there are possible advantages with characteristics moving into a given direction through the travel that isn't possible with a 4 bar (kinda like with a single pivot vs. 4 bar), but the complexity of a 6 bar and the possibilities to tweak things is just insane.
The SB160 is supposed to fit the roll of full-on enduro race bike and as such it's 29er only. It's as the name suggests 160 mm of travel in the rear, paired to 170mm forks.
There will be 5 frame sizes (S to XXL).
Reach grows across the board by 5mm compared to to the SB150, plus the addition of an XXL size. Reach ranges from 435 to 525 mm, so there's now finally a size for people over 6'.
Head tube angle and effective seat tube angle are both on the conservative side of things, with the former sitting at 64° and the latter at 77°.
The rear center grows incrementally with each frame size, but unfortunately the rear center is quite short still, ranging between 437 and 445 mm.
Interestingly, the frame features very little BB drop, with the BB sitting at a tall 353 mm.
Although none of the above will probably matter as the prices, as you can probably imagine, are completely and utterly off the charts and therefor I'd be very surprised if anyone at all actually buys this bike. The prices I've seen actually make me wonder if the people at Yeti have finally lost their marbles.
https://bikerumor.com/spotted-prototype-intend-brakes-on-huhn-jersey-gi…
It looks like the new SB160 will feature a revised version of the Switch Infinity suspension and not the 6-bar system found on Yeti's e-bike.
Not 100% sure though. The only thing I can say for certain is that Yeti also has a new Switch Infinity bike that will be released soon, but that could be another model entirely and not the SB160.
EDIT: ah, pointed that out in the original post already... Ignore me.
Forcing people to ride matched brakes and drivetrain is a bad move...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/Intense-Introduces-the-All-…
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/DVO-SUSPENSION-ANNOUNCES-AN…
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New marzocchi 38 published this morning on pinkbike
New enduro bike from Acto5. Has a floating rear brake design.
Got the pic and info here: https://bikerumor.com/actofive-p-train-165/
New Marin bike???
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else?
Doesn't really surprise me, the fact Fox has done nothing about it doesn't surprise me either.
I've realised Fox is a marketing company that has a side hustle of building shocks.
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.
Looking at some of their latest acquisitions, "Lifestyle" is higher on the list than building shocks as well.
Also was just looking at the rampage bike check stuff on the other site, and noticed what look like custom (maybe proto?) crowns on jaxson riddle's TR11
not sure if anyone noticed on any of the previous pics of the alloy TR11, but the adjustable dropouts weren't present on the carbon version iirc
The Rampage Commencal FRS also have adjustable dropouts
Sorry, but it will carry on failing.
Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them, but more than you'd expect for what's supposed to be a premium product from a market-leading company.
For some reasons Fox is so over hyped and despite this massive issue just showing how poor those products are, people keep on believing Fox is hot stuff. I think in the US that prices are similar to RS in which case, yeah that's where it belong, but here in France Fox stuff is probably 30% more expensive that RS and it certainly doesn't work any better, worse in my opinion.
I'm sorry but I have never understood why Fox have so much market share and high prices:
Early 2010's: Coating on all their forks wore off despite regular services
Mid 2010's: Forks were not getting anywhere near the announced travel
Early 2020's: shocks completely unreliable.
And all of this despite RS getting similar and often better reviews.
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