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Primoz
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2/18/2022 11:03am
Endurhevia wrote:
Looking good... Intense proto, little far away,but it's something [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/18/12058/s1200_Screenshot_2022_02_18_13_32_51_490_com.google.android.youtube.jpg[/img]
Looking good... Intense proto, little far away,but it's something




hd4rider wrote:
Based on how the bike is sitting with the shock removed, it looks like the bike is a mid-high-pivot. I'm simply basing this on where the...
Based on how the bike is sitting with the shock removed, it looks like the bike is a mid-high-pivot. I'm simply basing this on where the axle is relative to the main pivot; I may be wrong about this if the bike is currently sitting way lower than it would with the shock attached and bottomed out.
This is quite a well known fact actually...

There are very few high high pivots out there in any case. Even the Forbiddens and the Norco Range are only quite high, a real high pivot was the Zerode Tongue
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Primoz
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2/18/2022 11:06am
metadave wrote:
I just saw a headline from bike radar but for some reason my copy paste isn't doing it's thing. SRAM developing an ebike motor. Would be...
I just saw a headline from bike radar but for some reason my copy paste isn't doing it's thing. SRAM developing an ebike motor. Would be cool to see if they somehow integrated the Hammerschmidt style hi/lo system for the output of that were possible.
That's a bit interesting as I think they aligned with Bosch a few years ago.

The Hammerschmidt part isn't really necessary unless you'd have only like 5 gears in the rear (little point in doing that considering that would require custom hubs to have any real benefit to it). It would make sense with huge jumps between the cogs with the front gearbox acting as an intermediate gear. It would have to be in the range of 1:1 and 1:0,85 to make any sense for that though. But with the big jumps, shifting on an e-bike would be a death sentence for the drivetrain.
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2/18/2022 12:23pm
I would be terrified to go into a World Cup like Lourdes on a new brand having only ridden SoCal.

Now if only Gwin knew about the mud clearance of CrankBrother's Mallet pedals.

I still am shocked that he can race on HT's, take a foot out anywhere on course and get back in.
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2/18/2022 3:22pm
Oakhills wrote:
enhanced photo of Gwins frame [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/18/12060/s1200_IMG_7526.jpg[/img]
enhanced photo of Gwins frame

It looks like the linkage is way more equilateral and the shock is pushed back instead of down. Curious...
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2/18/2022 4:20pm
Oakhills wrote:
enhanced photo of Gwins frame [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/18/12060/s1200_IMG_7526.jpg[/img]
enhanced photo of Gwins frame

Might get in trouble for this but I was able to get my hands on this leaked photo of the bike uncovered.


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Mandingo915
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2/18/2022 4:24pm
Might get in trouble for this but I was able to get my hands on this leaked photo of the bike uncovered. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/18/12061/s1200_Prototype_Intense_Leak.jpg[/img]
Might get in trouble for this but I was able to get my hands on this leaked photo of the bike uncovered.


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2/18/2022 6:10pm
yahmon wrote:
IFR's approach to this new bike is perplexing to me... if it is secret enough that it has to be covered up, why use side-view shots...
IFR's approach to this new bike is perplexing to me... if it is secret enough that it has to be covered up, why use side-view shots of it for a major press release? If it's supposed to get people interested in a new bike they have coming out, why is it still covered up? And if it's an attempt to use guerilla marketing tactics to stoke interest, won't that fall a little flat when they release a barely-tweaked Session?
And if you’re testing a new bike why isn’t Dak a tester?
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2/19/2022 12:08am
smelly wrote:
And if you’re testing a new bike why isn’t Dak a tester?
who says he isn‘t? just cause you don‘t see vlogs about it doesn‘t mean he isn‘t also testing.
but to be fair, IFR doesn’t have the best track record lately providing every team rider with protos at the same time.
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daveg75
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2/19/2022 12:14am
smelly wrote:
And if you’re testing a new bike why isn’t Dak a tester?
krabo83 wrote:
who says he isn‘t? just cause you don‘t see vlogs about it doesn‘t mean he isn‘t also testing. but to be fair, IFR doesn’t have the...
who says he isn‘t? just cause you don‘t see vlogs about it doesn‘t mean he isn‘t also testing.
but to be fair, IFR doesn’t have the best track record lately providing every team rider with protos at the same time.
Joe Breeden definitely isn't on the new bike, posted on his Instagram a couple of days ago riding the old bike.
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Primoz
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2/19/2022 2:41am
Oakhills wrote:
enhanced photo of Gwins frame [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/18/12060/s1200_IMG_7526.jpg[/img]
enhanced photo of Gwins frame

Big Bird wrote:
It looks like the linkage is way more equilateral and the shock is pushed back instead of down. Curious...
That's only the shape of the rocker, the actual orientation of the rocker pivot and the shock mounting hole is what defines the geometry of it. That and the overall geometry and the resulting leverage ratios and the like.

Plus it might be sitting deeper into the travel without the shock in the bike than at full squish, for example resting on the seat tube here with ample clearance when at full travel with a shock in there.
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Primoz
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2/19/2022 2:48am
smelly wrote:
And if you’re testing a new bike why isn’t Dak a tester?
krabo83 wrote:
who says he isn‘t? just cause you don‘t see vlogs about it doesn‘t mean he isn‘t also testing. but to be fair, IFR doesn’t have the...
who says he isn‘t? just cause you don‘t see vlogs about it doesn‘t mean he isn‘t also testing.
but to be fair, IFR doesn’t have the best track record lately providing every team rider with protos at the same time.
It would make sense to make only one initial proto and see if it works before committing to making a set for the whole team plus spares.
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Is this just me or does is troy brosnan running a new set of lowers on that blackbox boxxer as they kinda look like zeb lowers? maybe a blackbox 38mm boxxer
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mitch160
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2/19/2022 4:52am
side by side of what is the current canyon strive and a new strive (ridden by dimitri tordo)
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2/19/2022 5:59am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2022 7:59am
New Rockshox line coming in April supposedly. Updated Charger damper, revised lower design, lower leg bleed ports on ultimate level forks, and upgraded seals. Boxxer will be 38mm. It’s tough to see in photos with shadows but there is no reason for the DH fork to be 35mm with today’s World Cup tracks.
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New super deluxe shocks featuring the same adjustments as the new charger dampers.
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mitch160 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/19/12064/s1200_canyon_cllctv_274167192_946742499364888_4533300808563512573_n.jpg[/img] Is this just me or does is troy brosnan running a new set of lowers on that blackbox boxxer as they kinda look like zeb...

Is this just me or does is troy brosnan running a new set of lowers on that blackbox boxxer as they kinda look like zeb lowers? maybe a blackbox 38mm boxxer
Good spot… definitely something new. the crown is different too.
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2/19/2022 8:12am
Looks like a frameworks
Lol this exactly

I can't wait for the painted Frameworks to be released under the label of IFR
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2/19/2022 10:51am
Primoz wrote:
That's only the shape of the rocker, the actual orientation of the rocker pivot and the shock mounting hole is what defines the geometry of it...
That's only the shape of the rocker, the actual orientation of the rocker pivot and the shock mounting hole is what defines the geometry of it. That and the overall geometry and the resulting leverage ratios and the like.

Plus it might be sitting deeper into the travel without the shock in the bike than at full squish, for example resting on the seat tube here with ample clearance when at full travel with a shock in there.
Ah yes. I didn't notice that this was the shot of the frame without the shock.
2/20/2022 6:48am
peecee wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/20/12067/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_02_20_at_7.55.07_pm_Enhanced.jpg[/img]

Zebber it is.
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2/20/2022 7:17am
Whether it needs it or not, I think RS is coming under marketing pressure to release a 38 Boxxer, so it’s not really surprising…
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2/20/2022 7:55am
Still waiting for the new Superdeluxe to be released after we saw pictures of the finished product nearly a year ago. Could that really be down to supply issues?
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Primoz
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We don't know if it was finished or not. It was near finished, so there's a chance the major structural parts were production ready (i.e. the manufacturing processes were defined and setup). The same parts could also have been prototype production parts (testing out the production process) but not yet finalized. In any case, there could have been some internal changes as well.

And, in any case regardless, Sram has lately been putting out new suspension products in the spring, around april timeframe if I'm not mistaken. It has been said we will see the new ZEB, Lyrik, Pike chassis (I'm expecting the vent valves on the lowers plus the Flight Attendant changes on the internals, so the updated spring, Charger 3, whatever it brings, and the Buttercups) and the new Super Deluxe this coming April as well.
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2/20/2022 10:41am
Still waiting for the new Superdeluxe to be released after we saw pictures of the finished product nearly a year ago. Could that really be down...
Still waiting for the new Superdeluxe to be released after we saw pictures of the finished product nearly a year ago. Could that really be down to supply issues?
Sounds more like shipping/delivery issues, supply is there according to SRAM but unable to distribute
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Primoz
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2/20/2022 10:44am
That too, it was mentioned in an article or a podcast that they increased production by at least 50 % on some product lines, doubling it in quite a few and that they have more stock of all products than ever before in the history of the company. In Taiwan. With no way of getting the stock out into the world.
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Verbl Kint
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2/20/2022 7:46pm
The Taipei Cycle Show will again be available online this year for non-residents of Taiwan.

https://www.taipeicycle.com.tw

The last time I went (2019) there was not a lot to see on the gravity side of cycling but this year's iteration does come close to a potential number of new product launches in the coming months. We may just see a scoop or two this March.
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