The Garage of Dumb Ideas: changing a Santa Cruz Megatower to a Hightower?

BD1189
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So I just got a great deal on a used Megatower V2 frame. But I don't really need a 170/165mm enduro rig. Now I've heard a rumor that the Megatower (V2) shares the same geo as the Hightower V3: basically the front triangle and rear triangle is the exact same with different linkages. I mean that's how it originally started: people over-forking their hightowers and SC just selling a new bike that came that way.

First can anyone confirm if this is true and/or is this a bad idea? If I guess right I can "un-mega" the megatower in one of two ways

- Just throw a 160mm fork on and replace the 230x65 shock with a 230x57.5. Judging by the geo chart this will steepen the head angle about half a degree and lower the bottom bracket. But the HT3 has a steeper head angle and lower bottom bracket.

- Buy a hightower3 linkage set (upper and lower) to replace the Megatower 2 specific ones. Then I'd essentially have a HT3 and would need a 150mm fork and a 210x55 shock?

I mean worst case scenario I now have a long travel enduro bike anyway.

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12/22/2024 7:51pm

My two cents: I understand that the MT shares front triangle / parts with the Nomad, not the HT (the HT shares things with the Bronson). I’ve owned both. HT v3 was ‘mine’, warranty frame replacement on a v2 for fading paint) and MT v2 was my son’s (yes, very spoilt… though it’s sold now). I’m a kid who rode and raced mtb in the 90s and now in my 40s still wants a bike that’s optimised for going down (they’re all good at going up). The day I lost love for the HT was the day I rode the MT. HT has Lyrik fork at 160mm and SDU shock. MT had ZEB at stock 170mm and SDU coil with 65mm stroke (not stock 62.5 - 65 gives approx 170mm travel and is permitted per SC website). I tried almost everything to turn the HT into a mini MT (have read many times that many HT owners do this) including buying a Cascade link for the v2. I don’t think it can be - the HT gets overwhelmed in the rough and/or repeated hits (is it the high anti-squat, someone better qualified than me will tell you but the changes to the anti-squat on the new HT and Bronson support this). As NSMB put it - the HT is the Subaru of bikes… okay at everything but not great at anything. Subarus are practical but boring (I know, I own one…). I don’t want my bike to be like that, and so I wouldn’t try to turn a bike that’s built to go down (faster and/or safer but either way ‘funner’) into one that’s build to do everything okay. Have fun working it out though, planning the new bike and messing with ideas is part of the fun. 

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12/22/2024 8:15pm
BD1189 wrote:
So I just got a great deal on a used Megatower V2 frame. But I don't really need a 170/165mm enduro rig. Now I've heard a...

So I just got a great deal on a used Megatower V2 frame. But I don't really need a 170/165mm enduro rig. Now I've heard a rumor that the Megatower (V2) shares the same geo as the Hightower V3: basically the front triangle and rear triangle is the exact same with different linkages. I mean that's how it originally started: people over-forking their hightowers and SC just selling a new bike that came that way.

First can anyone confirm if this is true and/or is this a bad idea? If I guess right I can "un-mega" the megatower in one of two ways

- Just throw a 160mm fork on and replace the 230x65 shock with a 230x57.5. Judging by the geo chart this will steepen the head angle about half a degree and lower the bottom bracket. But the HT3 has a steeper head angle and lower bottom bracket.

- Buy a hightower3 linkage set (upper and lower) to replace the Megatower 2 specific ones. Then I'd essentially have a HT3 and would need a 150mm fork and a 210x55 shock?

I mean worst case scenario I now have a long travel enduro bike anyway.

For a start you wouldn't have to buy a new fork or shock. 

Just buy a 160mm airspring to put in the 170mm fork to lower the travel, the shock you can put a spacer and make it a 230x60 as well (at least you should be able to) so it won't cost a lot of money.

The rear geo won't change, as you just changed the shocks travel, not its total length. Dropping the fork 10mm will steepen the head angle by 0.5, increase reach by ~4mm and drop the BB by ~5mm.

You can also just increase pressures in fork and shock to make it firmer and ride like a shorter travel bike. 

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12/22/2024 10:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/22/2024 10:18pm
BD1189 wrote:
So I just got a great deal on a used Megatower V2 frame. But I don't really need a 170/165mm enduro rig. Now I've heard a...

So I just got a great deal on a used Megatower V2 frame. But I don't really need a 170/165mm enduro rig. Now I've heard a rumor that the Megatower (V2) shares the same geo as the Hightower V3: basically the front triangle and rear triangle is the exact same with different linkages. I mean that's how it originally started: people over-forking their hightowers and SC just selling a new bike that came that way.

First can anyone confirm if this is true and/or is this a bad idea? If I guess right I can "un-mega" the megatower in one of two ways

- Just throw a 160mm fork on and replace the 230x65 shock with a 230x57.5. Judging by the geo chart this will steepen the head angle about half a degree and lower the bottom bracket. But the HT3 has a steeper head angle and lower bottom bracket.

- Buy a hightower3 linkage set (upper and lower) to replace the Megatower 2 specific ones. Then I'd essentially have a HT3 and would need a 150mm fork and a 210x55 shock?

I mean worst case scenario I now have a long travel enduro bike anyway.

For a start you wouldn't have to buy a new fork or shock. Just buy a 160mm airspring to put in the 170mm fork to lower the...

For a start you wouldn't have to buy a new fork or shock. 

Just buy a 160mm airspring to put in the 170mm fork to lower the travel, the shock you can put a spacer and make it a 230x60 as well (at least you should be able to) so it won't cost a lot of money.

The rear geo won't change, as you just changed the shocks travel, not its total length. Dropping the fork 10mm will steepen the head angle by 0.5, increase reach by ~4mm and drop the BB by ~5mm.

You can also just increase pressures in fork and shock to make it firmer and ride like a shorter travel bike. 

Oh if it wasn't clear. This is build up from a frame so I'm using my parts bin and chosing what fork to get. I'm leaning more towards a 160mm and change the shock on the frame to a 230x62.5 but I'll probably buy a 160mm airspring for a lyrik I already own. 

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12/22/2024 11:58pm

😂😂😂😂 I was thinking of doing something similar with my nomad v6, I just bought a new zeb that I could only get in 160mm in stock, I was gonna buy a new air spring and thought why not throw it on as is, I have a 60mm stroke shock somewhere I could throw on and try too.

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12/23/2024 7:18am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2024 7:18am

Personally before making any changes see if with the longer travel you can get away with lighter tires with maybe a lightweight insert in the rear for a bit of rim protection.  I find that if I ride medium travel bikes I need dh tires and a heavy insert in the rear which essentially brings the weight right back to where a long travel bike with appropriate trail tires is.  No replacement for displacement.


 

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In 2023/2024 Santa Cruz basically had 4 different front triangles for their full suspension bikes. The Blur and the Tallboy got their own frames respectively, but the Hightower, Bronson and 5010 shared a front triangle, as did the Megatower and Nomad. Hightower/Bronson/5010 and Megatower/Nomad front triangles are very similar, but they are not the same. Your idea of swapping linkages and the rear triangle will probably not work.

That being said, increased suspension travel doesn't really weigh anything and doesn't necessarily make a bike feel more "wallow-y" or less efficient. So my recommendation to make the Megatower a bit more manageable would be to maybe just leave the frame as is and set up the susension a bit more firm.

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