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sharpy212 wrote:

Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro?? 

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.  

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Listening to the podcast with Page and Foes and Brent mentioned maybe needing to make a suspension piece himself. With Sam being a big SRAM guy you know it won't be a fork or shock. That reminded me of the FFR proto that was I think the last DH bike Goes made.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Foes-FFR-Dual-Damper-Seen-at-…

It had a second shock to control down travel.

 

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5/10/2024 8:18am
sharpy212 wrote:

Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro?? 

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released...

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.  

Watch his YouTube videos of comparing the stumpy evo vs enduro. He mentioned he preferred the efficiency and agility of the stumpy. And timed runs were very close. These pro ews guys can be fast on any trail/enduro bike( Verner winning on a 130mm Druid last year). Just comes down to personal preference for them. 

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5/10/2024 11:16am Edited Date/Time 5/10/2024 11:19am

 

Competitive Cyclist shared this electronic Transfer via email today (oops). I found this private page on Cambria's website via google. Maybe one of you nerds can figure out how to get better photos. idk.

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New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

thats a good looking bike (shapes and lines) Does it come in black?

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New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

jsray wrote:

thats a good looking bike (shapes and lines) Does it come in black?

Marin did a raw and black Rift Zone B-17 in 2018 that.was a great looking bike. They would do well to bring that colour back. Looking back for the image of the bike I saw that Nailid suspension thing, Marin should have never gone down that path and just done a Horst version of their Rift Zones, they would have more market share today if they had done Horst sooner.

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New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

jsray wrote:

thats a good looking bike (shapes and lines) Does it come in black?

earleb wrote:
Marin did a raw and black Rift Zone B-17 in 2018 that.was a great looking bike. They would do well to bring that colour back. Looking...

Marin did a raw and black Rift Zone B-17 in 2018 that.was a great looking bike. They would do well to bring that colour back. Looking back for the image of the bike I saw that Nailid suspension thing, Marin should have never gone down that path and just done a Horst version of their Rift Zones, they would have more market share today if they had done Horst sooner.

Ahem, NAILD R3ACT 2PLAY 

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5/10/2024 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2024 1:22pm

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

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5/10/2024 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2024 1:52pm
Pete wrote:
  Competitive Cyclist shared this electronic Transfer via email today (oops). I found this private page on Cambria's website via google. Maybe one of you nerds...

 

Competitive Cyclist shared this electronic Transfer via email today (oops). I found this private page on Cambria's website via google. Maybe one of you nerds can figure out how to get better photos. idk.

FOX Transfer Neo Lever: 1x Remote, 22.2,. Price: 1.799,00 DKK Sku: 925-06-006

$259 remote

 

Live Valve Neo, Handlebar Switch Only (optional, allows on-the-fly mode select)

929-00-006

399,00 €

 

2024 AM, Live Valve Neo, KIT: Front and Rear Bump Sensors, Battery, Charger, Charger Cable - w/o Handlebar Switch

929-00-005

639,00 €

 

Service Set: Neo, Charger and Charger Cable Only

929-00-009

78,99 €

 

Service Set: Neo, Battery Only

929-00-008

129,00 €

 

Service Set: Neo, Charger and Charger Cable Only

929-00-009

78,99 €

 

Release date: 2024-07-05

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5/10/2024 1:44pm
So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

They're this years o-chain.

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5/10/2024 1:58pm
sharpy212 wrote:

Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro?? 

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released...

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.  

in one of his YT vids, he did some timing and was quicker on the Stumpy on the course he selected.  

5/10/2024 2:01pm
So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

You mean like a regular MX steering damper? If so, it wouldn't provide much damping at low degrees of bar turn. There was some discussion on this in the comment section of WRP IG account.

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5/10/2024 3:39pm
So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

You mean like a regular MX steering damper? If so, it wouldn't provide much damping at low degrees of bar turn. There was some discussion on...

You mean like a regular MX steering damper? If so, it wouldn't provide much damping at low degrees of bar turn. There was some discussion on this in the comment section of WRP IG account.

ok, keep the elastomer for bar return, add this for damping https://canecreek.com/product/hellbender-70-visco/

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So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

If it ain't broke why fix it! They have been in moto x for years and missy and a few others were using them back in the late 90's in DH. 

They are not designed to go back to centre they are designed to stiffen up the steering to the riders liking so they can still corner and still steer the bike but in rock gardens and other parts of tracks where the wheel gets a bit squirly it wont let it happen as much. 

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So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

And Moi Moi to miss the first EDR due to a "small washout" earlier in the week. New steering damper to blame? 

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So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make...

So big caveat, I don't think any of these steering dampers/springs make bikes ride better, and (esp. the KISS system) only have the potential to make bikes ride worse. That being said, if people want to spend money on one...

image-20240510151726-1

Heres my idea: instead of this guy above, which appears to fix the device on the top cap relative to the frame, and handle damping from the relative rotation of the frame->stem from on top of the stem, why not this: 

1. Have the bottom the same, it fits over the top headset and anchors the entire device to the frame
2. Have a custom top cap, kinda like above, but thats fixed to the motion of the stem.
3. Have the connecting rod be an elastomer instead of solid alloy

Now the damping comes from stretching the vertical elastomer. This also gives you tension to return to the center, like the KISS system. This does both, is simpler/lighter/cheaper. 

Thoughts?

An elastomer is not a steering damper. That's a centering spring. A steering damper makes slow (steering) movements of the bars relatively easy to do (not noticeable it's even there), but in case of a jack knife where there is a sudden big steering "input" it should prevent that.

Having an elastomer will just oppose bit changes in steering angle at all steering speeds and do mostly nothing in the middle when going straight. 

A elastomer and the KISS is like having a spring and no shock, you want the shock more than the spring. 

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That i assume is a proto Formula fork, might be a 38mm enduro specific fork i guess

looks cool with this livery

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What about the dual crown enduro fork? Does this one look 38 mm? 

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Primoz wrote:

What about the dual crown enduro fork? Does this one look 38 mm? 

It would be weird for them to release new sc Enduro fork so quickly after they just released DC Selva. But to me it looks like it's not that thick, maybe 36mm. The biggest flaw of Selva is pm6 mount, that one doesn't belong on modern MTB fork

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sharpy212 wrote:

Anyone know the reason he doesn’t want to ride the specialized enduro?? 

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released...

I saw in a few places that Spesh riders that are also sponsored by SRAM were “pushed” to race the Stumpy EVO when transmission was released because the Enduro didn’t have UDH and the EVO did.  

This is not true, at least not for the main enduro team. Running transmission is a benefit, not a reason, for running the stumpy.

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Modified Canyon ShapeShifter remove with modified AXS dropper remote.

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That i assume is a proto Formula fork, might be a 38mm enduro specific fork i guess looks cool with this livery

That i assume is a proto Formula fork, might be a 38mm enduro specific fork i guess

looks cool with this livery

They are definitely running a different damper in the fork. This is from Ancillotti’s story. Looks like it could be the Nero damper (with the HSC dial taken off)?

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They are definitely running a different damper in the fork. This is from Ancillotti’s story. Looks like it could be the Nero damper (with the HSC...

They are definitely running a different damper in the fork. This is from Ancillotti’s story. Looks like it could be the Nero damper (with the HSC dial taken off)?

Coil also

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5/11/2024 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2024 12:41pm

That crown looks identical to the one on my Selva C, the text on the axle is definitely different, the casting looks slightly different, although it's hard to tell for sure with the livery on it. The main difference looks like along the supports that run down from the arch on the inside, they extend further down on the Selva. The preload adjusters and top caps look identical, although the damper obviously lacks the lockout and compression adjuster (or CTS, I can't tell which)

Those stanchions don't look to be 38mm though, maybe 36 at best, but pictures can be deceiving. That or I'm just huffing copium because I just got the fork in for one of my bikes and really wanted a larger chassis version Smile

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5/11/2024 4:42pm

With high pivot getting a lot of attention lately I’m very curious about this Dave weagle system on the proto pivot. Everyone mentions the idler drag and need for a lower chain guide idler but this system seems to eliminate both downfalls. Or does this system still have similar drag? Have to wonder if this gets more attention for trail/enduro bikes where pedaling efficiency matters 

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i'm curious why so much delay but at least the athletes are on the new spicy finally

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