Spy Shots! New Short Cage XTR DH Derailleur?

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Edited Date/Time 8/18/2014 12:01pm
Spotted on Gee Atherton's DH bike at the Lousa Maxxis Cup this past weekend. Is it XTR for DH? A Saint prototype with an XTR faceplate? Looks like it has the flip switch for tension like the XC version, but this is short cage? No idea, but it looks cool.



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Uncle Cliffy 5/4/2011 1:39pm
5/4/2011 1:39pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2011 1:40pm
Not gonna lie. I want it.

Also, I want more info on those tires. They aren't Kaisers...
1speedbrian 5/4/2011 2:45pm
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TIt just looks like the new XTR derailur that was released a Sea Otter. It has a switch to tighten spring tension so the chain bounces less.
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VWilliams 5/4/2011 3:06pm
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The cage looks prototype-ish. Would be most excellent if they produced these but my guess is no.
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kev1n 5/4/2011 3:23pm
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itd be coo but even if they dont. if you really want something like this, just get a XTR derailleur and a spare saint cage and do it yourself, macgyver style.
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sspomer 5/4/2011 4:33pm
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
I have ridden this, it is the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while. Seriously rad.
come on! shed some light on this thing! does it have the same tension switch as the XC derailleur? if so, why not just have it in mega-tight mode all the time? wheel removal?
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bturman 5/4/2011 4:42pm
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sspomer wrote:
come on! shed some light on this thing! does it have the same tension switch as the XC derailleur? if so, why not just have it...
come on! shed some light on this thing! does it have the same tension switch as the XC derailleur? if so, why not just have it in mega-tight mode all the time? wheel removal?
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bootleg randy 5/4/2011 5:19pm
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
I have ridden this, it is the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while. Seriously rad.
...the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while...WHAT!!!
Awesome, more small parts to turn on/off, and break! What a piece of crap!!
Finally, Shimano makes a short cage for XTR...Sram did that years ago
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Mwood 5/4/2011 5:25pm
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heard from a birdy the same thing craig said. its going to be dooooope
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
I have ridden this, it is the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while. Seriously rad.
sspomer wrote:
come on! shed some light on this thing! does it have the same tension switch as the XC derailleur? if so, why not just have it...
come on! shed some light on this thing! does it have the same tension switch as the XC derailleur? if so, why not just have it in mega-tight mode all the time? wheel removal?
so the spring doesn't fatigue.
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MDJ 5/5/2011 7:34am
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
I have ridden this, it is the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while. Seriously rad.
I thought the Intense M9 was the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while.
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bturman 5/5/2011 8:27am
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bootleg randy wrote:
...the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while...WHAT!!! Awesome, more small parts to turn on/off, and break! What a piece of crap...
...the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while...WHAT!!!
Awesome, more small parts to turn on/off, and break! What a piece of crap!!
Finally, Shimano makes a short cage for XTR...Sram did that years ago
Fyi, you only turn the adjustment to off when you are installing/removing a wheel. It should be on at all other times. This really is pretty cool, and not some gimmicky "piece of crap" as you so unknowingly put it. Don't bag it before you try it.
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bturman 5/5/2011 8:28am
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The fact that this might be coming to DH excites me. It's only a matter of time before it trickles down Shimano's entire line if it really is that revolutionary.
craigglaspellphoto 5/5/2011 10:23am
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
I have ridden this, it is the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while. Seriously rad.
MDJ wrote:
I thought the Intense M9 was the greatest thing to come from the bike industry in a while.
You said it, not me...and I sure as shit have not gone around with marketing bullsh1t like that. I think we make awesome bikes, never put a stupid label on any bike we make like you said.

That being said, I thought the news on this derailler was out and about, I guess its still top secret, but I will stand behind what I said: I have not been excited about most bike parts in years, this is a game changer part I think...wish it were my idea.
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axel 5/5/2011 10:30am
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Gee is a shimano factory rider that is in the top 3, so Shimano usually helps him out.

But, we may not be seeing this derailluer for a while because Gee has also had those Saint rims on his bike for the past 3 years...
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MDJ 5/5/2011 10:32am
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^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some good product.

And I agree on the derailleur even if I haven't ridden it yet. I've been on SRAM for years now and this is probably the first thing they've done that would make me think about switching back - even after their dynasys 3 ring blunder (imo)
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Uncle Cliffy 5/5/2011 10:56am
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MDJ wrote:
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some...
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some good product.

And I agree on the derailleur even if I haven't ridden it yet. I've been on SRAM for years now and this is probably the first thing they've done that would make me think about switching back - even after their dynasys 3 ring blunder (imo)
Dynasys, a blunder?!? Personally, I think the 10 speed stuff shifts better than their 9 speed ever did. The XTR Rapidfire Plus shifters are brilliant. You can shift them exactly like Sram, and I particularly like when you shove the forward paddle all the way and it upshifts 2 gears... Sram for years myself BTW.
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bturman 5/5/2011 11:02am
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craigglaspellphoto wrote:
You said it, not me...and I sure as shit have not gone around with marketing bullsh1t like that. I think we make awesome bikes, never put...
You said it, not me...and I sure as shit have not gone around with marketing bullsh1t like that. I think we make awesome bikes, never put a stupid label on any bike we make like you said.

That being said, I thought the news on this derailler was out and about, I guess its still top secret, but I will stand behind what I said: I have not been excited about most bike parts in years, this is a game changer part I think...wish it were my idea.
Yes, the word is out about the new long cage XTR. This short cage prototype? Nope.

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quasibinaer 5/5/2011 11:06am
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Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Not gonna lie. I want it.

Also, I want more info on those tires. They aren't Kaisers...
I´d say they are Kaisers:


On a different note, what´s that tube around the shifting line for? Any ideas? As for the mech, I sort of don´t care as long as it isn´t out on the market ... but when it is, I´d like to see a review on Vital Wink
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MDJ 5/5/2011 11:20am
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MDJ wrote:
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some...
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some good product.

And I agree on the derailleur even if I haven't ridden it yet. I've been on SRAM for years now and this is probably the first thing they've done that would make me think about switching back - even after their dynasys 3 ring blunder (imo)
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Dynasys, a blunder?!? Personally, I think the 10 speed stuff shifts better than their 9 speed ever did. The XTR Rapidfire Plus shifters are brilliant. You...
Dynasys, a blunder?!? Personally, I think the 10 speed stuff shifts better than their 9 speed ever did. The XTR Rapidfire Plus shifters are brilliant. You can shift them exactly like Sram, and I particularly like when you shove the forward paddle all the way and it upshifts 2 gears... Sram for years myself BTW.
Their insistance on the 3 chainring part is what I meant by the blunder. 10sp - yes!! For the front I'm good with one or two chainrings
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Uncle Cliffy 5/5/2011 11:57am
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Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Not gonna lie. I want it.

Also, I want more info on those tires. They aren't Kaisers...
quasibinaer wrote:
I´d say they are Kaisers: [img]http://www.bikesportnews.de/uploads/pics/Conti_Kaiser_A_25_seit.jpg[/img] On a different note, what´s that tube around the shifting line for? Any ideas? As for the mech, I sort...
I´d say they are Kaisers:


On a different note, what´s that tube around the shifting line for? Any ideas? As for the mech, I sort of don´t care as long as it isn´t out on the market ... but when it is, I´d like to see a review on Vital Wink
Here's what a Kaiser looks like that you can actually buy:


I've been running them for a while now. Great tire. This other version on Gee's bike and your photo looks better for where I live, and a bit smaller too. (The current Kaisers in my photo are really closer to a 2.7 Maxxis size.)
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Uncle Cliffy 5/5/2011 11:58am
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MDJ wrote:
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some...
^^ haha, I didn't mean to imply that you did label it as such, but I'm sure we both agree that Intense is puttng out some good product.

And I agree on the derailleur even if I haven't ridden it yet. I've been on SRAM for years now and this is probably the first thing they've done that would make me think about switching back - even after their dynasys 3 ring blunder (imo)
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Dynasys, a blunder?!? Personally, I think the 10 speed stuff shifts better than their 9 speed ever did. The XTR Rapidfire Plus shifters are brilliant. You...
Dynasys, a blunder?!? Personally, I think the 10 speed stuff shifts better than their 9 speed ever did. The XTR Rapidfire Plus shifters are brilliant. You can shift them exactly like Sram, and I particularly like when you shove the forward paddle all the way and it upshifts 2 gears... Sram for years myself BTW.
MDJ wrote:
Their insistance on the 3 chainring part is what I meant by the blunder. 10sp - yes!! For the front I'm good with one or two...
Their insistance on the 3 chainring part is what I meant by the blunder. 10sp - yes!! For the front I'm good with one or two chainrings
Ah. Gotcha. I'm doing 1x10 myself. At least they offer 2 ring set ups now...
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kev1n 5/5/2011 4:08pm
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on another note, i hope commencal releases a mud flap that will cover that shock! so exposed, can imagine tons of mud collecting in that bitch
Colin McCarthy 5/6/2011 8:51pm
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That derailleur is neat but seriously, improved spring fatigue? Wouldn't a Ti spring make more sense if that were the case. I think it is just for average folks who have trouble removing their wheel. If not, please enlighten me.
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canadmos 5/7/2011 5:03pm
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What is the difference between this and the Saint?
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Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Not gonna lie. I want it.

Also, I want more info on those tires. They aren't Kaisers...
quasibinaer wrote:
I´d say they are Kaisers: [img]http://www.bikesportnews.de/uploads/pics/Conti_Kaiser_A_25_seit.jpg[/img] On a different note, what´s that tube around the shifting line for? Any ideas? As for the mech, I sort...
I´d say they are Kaisers:


On a different note, what´s that tube around the shifting line for? Any ideas? As for the mech, I sort of don´t care as long as it isn´t out on the market ... but when it is, I´d like to see a review on Vital Wink
Uncle Cliffy wrote:
Here's what a Kaiser looks like that you can actually buy: [img]http://www.bikesomewhere.com/images/large/3922D308-1D09-7033-844F06A8F46C10FF.jpg[/img] I've been running them for a while now. Great tire. This other version on...
Here's what a Kaiser looks like that you can actually buy:


I've been running them for a while now. Great tire. This other version on Gee's bike and your photo looks better for where I live, and a bit smaller too. (The current Kaisers in my photo are really closer to a 2.7 Maxxis size.)
I guess it depends on where one lives (or rather where conti shipped it already). CRC only has the old ones in stock while one of the larger german online retailers already has the new ones available.

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